Matt D
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Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:46 am

Just for the record....I took a drive out to Soboba Casino and then came back to Corona, where I saw "Meet The Fockers" at the Corona Edwards Cinema today. And it was raining all day long. I saw numerous accidents on the 91, 215, and 60 freeways, plus the Ramona Expressway. I drove close to 100 miles, and made it home in one piece, not a dent or scratch on the car.

And now I have the news on and all they are doing is blathering endlessly about "rain caused accidents".

I want to reach through the television set and strangle these reporters.

I never knew that rain had the ability to come down and run cars off the road or plow cars into each other.

I always thought that people who can't drive in the rain were what caused all these wrecks.

Why do people here just not get it?

Driving in the rain isn't at all difficult. Just slow down a bit and keep in mind that it takes twice as long to stop. And above all, don't make any sudden moves or lane changes.

It's not hard.

I laughed at every single "accident" I saw.

Every single one.

I even once rolled down the window and yelled out "LEARN HOW TO DRIVE MOTHER F***ER!"

And then you hear about those kids or teenagers or adults being "swept away" in the flood control channels or the LA river.

WTF are they doing IN the flood control channels anyway?

Oh that's right. This is a BLUE state.

It's someone elses fault. And in this case, Mother Nature.
 
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:59 am

Matt, you've shown you're a grade AAA ass with this post. Not everybody is a perfect driver like you are  Yeah sure. First you have reduced visibility. You also have hydroplaning, where you cannot control your car. Accidents occur, sometimes circumstances happen where its out of the driver's hands.

But apparently, 15 inches of rain, flooded roadways, 50 ft. visibility, mudslides, that should have no effect whatsoever.

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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:03 am

I laughed at every single "accident" I saw.

Every single one.

I even once rolled down the window and yelled out "LEARN HOW TO DRIVE MOTHER F***ER!"


Your posts are getting weirder and weirder. First gun control turns the US into a Communist country, now this.
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:03 am

Oh that's right. This is a BLUE state.

Oh come on, stop bullshitting yourself with politics. There are bad drivers everywhere that screw things up.

P.S. Stop trying to be the outspoken prophet for common sense, your posts are just annoying.

[Edited 2005-01-10 02:04:55]
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:05 am

Tbar220, come on. You are ridiculous. If someone is not as good of a driver as MattD is then maybe they should stay off of the road. Reduced visibility? WTF? You have your headlights. Simply go at a slow speed if you feel like you can't handle it. Hydroplaning? WTF? If you go slow and careful this won't happen. There are NO circumstances where it is out of the drivers hands. If you are such a moron that you can't drive in bad weather, you should have your license revoked. People always have to find a damn excuse.
 
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:07 am

I laughed at every single "accident" I saw.

Every single one.

I even once rolled down the window and yelled out "LEARN HOW TO DRIVE MOTHER F***ER!"


Wow...I can't believe what you just posted... you really need help dude! Seriously...

Unbelievable...

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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:09 am

There are NO circumstances where it is out of the drivers hands.

Yeah, how about when someone comes plowing into YOU. There are bad drivers, and that is not going to change. Stop trying to turn this into a little right wing love-fest for self accountability.
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:11 am

I think that the bigger picture here is that our society is filled with scapegoating. Nobody ever wants to accept responsibility for their actions. If there is an excuse people will find one.
 
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:12 am

Then tell your little friend not to politicize it...
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:12 am

Yeah, how about when someone comes plowing into YOU. There are bad drivers, and that is not going to change. Stop trying to turn this into a little right wing love-fest for self accountability.


Exactly, there it is still someones fault. Someone is always to blame. In this case it is not the weathers fault, but an idiots fault.
 
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:19 am

"Reduced visibility? WTF? You have your headlights"

Enlighten me, how are headlights going to help you in the rain??!!
 
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:23 am

Enlighten me, how are headlights going to help you in the rain??!!


HUH????? Of course headlights help you in the rain. How do you think MattD got home? Through his psychic instincts?
 
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:30 am

I even once rolled down the window and yelled out "LEARN HOW TO DRIVE MOTHER F***ER!"

I'm seriously trying identify with someone (sane) doing this...

I'm trying to picture me driving and the passenger in my car yelling this out the window.There's no one I know who's unstable enough who do such a thing. A ignorant teenager yeah... but an adult? Make that a sane adult? I just don't think it's possible.

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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:31 am

Headlights are not to help you see in the rain, unless it's nighttime.

Headlights in the rain are so that others can see you.
 
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:38 am

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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:39 am

777236, then maybe we should make driving illegal during rain. Smile
 
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:40 am

There are NO circumstances where it is out of the drivers hands.

Bravo7e7, that is a FALSE statement. Have you ever driven on ice and snow?
No matter how cautious you are, you can get out of control. Even if you have four wheel drive, it is USELESS on ice.

And MattD, you are just as much as a risk when you take the time to divert your attention from driving and yell motherf'er out your window. If someone had pulled out in front of you, it could have been ugly, because YOU were not paying attention.

But I agree, pile ups in SoCal just because of RAIN? Pansies.  Laugh out loud
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:47 am

Bravo7e7

Maybe we should realise that rain does cause accidents.
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:48 am

The term "accident" is obsolete. Accident implies something that is of no one's fault. Cops, EMS folks, hospitals, insurance companies, etc. call them what they are: crashes.
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:49 am

It is not DIRECTLY the rain, but rather the misjudgements and mistakes of the drivers.
 
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:49 am

Hey Matt D, just like what Milli Vanilli said, Blame it on the Rain  Big thumbs up
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:53 am

It is not DIRECTLY the rain, but rather the misjudgements and mistakes of the drivers.

No, it is directly the rain. The rain makes driving conditions more hazardous, hence the rain is to blame.
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:53 am

Well...most of the drivers use headlights at ALL times of the day here in Australia, irrespective of the weather. It helps enormously in judging distances to overtake etc...especially if the road is long and straight (and there are lots of highways like that here).

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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:57 am

In other words if my car bumps into your Ferrari, then my insurance does not have to pay because it was the rains fault, right?
 
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:03 am

Headlights help you in the dark, at night, not in the rain.

Edit: Fair enough, in the rain they help for identification but besides that they don't by any means give you better driving visibility.

[Edited 2005-01-10 03:06:52]
 
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:03 am

In other words, if an aircraft has a CFIT in bad weather, the NTSB blames bad weather.
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:07 am

Hmm.

Matt, I guess I can understand your frustration to some extent--I get similarly annoyed when I'm making my way CAREFULLY down the freeway so I can handle whatever standing water I run into, and some jackass in a SUV screams past me at 75, throwing a wave up and over my car and making it impossible for me to see where I'm going for the next ten seconds. I'm just as frustrated when I sit in traffic for hours and hours because of some accident that could probably have been avoided if the drivers involved would turn on their brains before getting behind the wheel. You're right--the rain doesn't cause the accidents. Idiot drivers do.

Unfortunately, I think you lost me when your understandable frustration turned into a rant about personal responsibility and then a political slam. That newswriters refer to rain as the "cause" of an accident doesn't matter one iota when a traffic report gets written and blame gets assigned. Anchors say it that way, I suspect, because they assume that any intelligent person realizes that drivers' bad judgement is the true cause of the accident, and to phrase it as "drivers driving too fast for rainy conditions-caused accidents" isn't quite as expedient.

Casting all semantics aside, though, exactly what statistic can you show us that supports the idea that a majority of democrats = lack of personal responsibility = stupid driving in the rain = traffic accidents? Oh, that's right... you can't--it's just an inane sterotype and a poor excuse to vent once again about living in a state with that democratic majority. Maybe that's the real frustration, huh?

Here's a recommendation: either find a way to get a handle on your anger or consider moving someplace where you won't have to struggle with these issues so often. I hear the Idaho panhandle is a great place this time of year--especially for those with expert driving skills such as yourself.

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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:20 am

Saxdiva:
"Casting all semantics aside, though, exactly what statistic can you show us that supports the idea that a majority of democrats = lack of personal responsibility = stupid driving in the rain = traffic accidents? Oh, that's right... you can't--it's just an inane sterotype and a poor excuse to vent once again about living in a state with that democratic majority. Maybe that's the real frustration, huh?

Here's a recommendation: either find a way to get a handle on your anger or consider moving someplace where you won't have to struggle with these issues so often. I hear the Idaho panhandle is a great place this time of year--especially for those with expert driving skills such as yourself."

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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:33 am

And now I have the news on and all they are doing is blathering endlessly about "rain caused accidents".

While I wouldn't laugh at people who get into accidents in the rain, I do have to agree that people in Southern California don't know how to drive in the rain. I can't even remember the number of times I see people tailgating me and trying to swerve around me in heavy rain.
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:02 pm

As a life-long Southern Californian, a card carrying member of the SCCA, one who has extensive time in numerous race cars on numerous road courses throughout the US and a person who climbs into his shiny metal box to commute to my place of destination in this area, I have observations as to why we have so many accidents around here, especially in the rain.

1. Too many people, not enough room.
2. It doesn't rain enough here to develop ones rain driving skills to become proficient at it.
3. No State or Federally mandated driving courses on how to be a proficient operator of a vehicle in ALL conditions. Physics 101 mixed with Driving 101.
4. 99% of car owners believe the marketing hype that ABS, Stability control etc. will save their hides when things get out of THEIR control.
5. People choose to drive in unsafe conditions and pay the price. A person should acknowledege the conditions and proceed with due diligence if they are going to proceed at all. Another option is to stay at home, that is what I've done today.

MattD, I see the same cr*p you do, accidents and such, I just hope that nobody is hurt and that they hopefully learn from it.

BTW, how is the new Corona Edwards theatre?

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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:15 pm

If anyone thinks that driving in rain is hard try driving 175km in a snowstorm and that requires some patience and a lot of luck when trucks who don't care drive 20 over the limit. In snow there is circumstances where it is out of the driver's control when you have surfaces that make wet roads feel like a good day to drive. Maybe in Socal there is more rain related accidents because they are not used to the amount of rain that they have been getting recently and if your road drainage sucks it can create a lot of problems. The driver is ultimately responsible as current auto insurance rates show especially in Ontario.
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The New Theater

Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:23 pm

It's nice......I don't know how new it is though. It's on Main St, about a mile or so north of the 91, right after you pass the bottom of the hill. Jen and I went and we had a good time.

I also had the misfortune of encountering another not-so-bright individual.
Some dipshit stalled his pickup truck (or maybe it broke down...who knows) right in the parking lot, blocking a lane of traffic. Unless he locked up his gears, I don't understand why he didn't think to push it back into the empty parking spot that was on either side of it. Maybe he was pissed and didn't want to stand in the rain. Maybe he thought that he could pass on some of his bad luck by forcing other drivers to go around him. And on top of that, he forgot to turn his lights off, so he not only had a stalled truck, but a dead battery as well.

 
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 4:50 pm

It's nice......I don't know how new it is though. It's on Main St, about a mile or so north of the 91, right after you pass the bottom of the hill. Jen and I went and we had a good time.

MattD,

Have you been to the new Edwards 18 in south Corona? It's brand new, off of Cajalco on the 15 South. Awesome theater.
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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:43 pm

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RE: Why Is It The Rains Fault?

Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:42 pm

also had the misfortune of encountering another not-so-bright individual.
Some dipshit stalled his pickup truck (or maybe it broke down...who knows) right in the parking lot, blocking a lane of traffic. Unless he locked up his gears, I don't understand why he didn't think to push it back into the empty parking spot that was on either side of it. Maybe he was pissed and didn't want to stand in the rain. Maybe he thought that he could pass on some of his bad luck by forcing other drivers to go around him. And on top of that, he forgot to turn his lights off, so he not only had a stalled truck, but a dead battery as well.


If he had his lights off and someone hit him, you'd be the first to wind down your windows and scream obscenities at him.
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