I think such hollow replies as this are fitting in discussions of sports, chasing chix or job-related speculations are harmless and fitting.
But when used in such serious subjects that you've mentioned... what that tells me, Tbar, is that it's entered an area where it's disturbing someone's comfort zone. It's combating or threatening their core beliefs and most people won't stand for it. It becomes a question of how much truth can one really stand? I like steak, chicken or beef... seeing chicken's a neck wrung or slabs of cow carcasses hanging in a freezer doesn't bother me a bit...but if I saw the animal killed to make it.. I'll admit (L-188 and ANCflyer are gonna get bone-on very this admission)... I'd probably become a vegetarian on the spot. But then again... depending on how hungry or desperate I was (Apocalyptic scenario-- I just might have to bite the bullet and kill my own dog and share it with my neighbor...who knows??? Plain and simple, I already know the truth about the matter.. but I don't care to see the process, yet I'm keenly aware of what is going on and I'm aware that desperate conditions can make anything happen. But as it stands as meat-eater... I am literally in a state of denial.
My brother has killed in both Gulf War I & II
... we've discussed these things many times and I know they are on his conscious from time to time. I'm sure it's on anyone's mind if they've been in the situation. In a war it's matter of survival..either you get them or they'll get you. Back here or in London, or anywhere safe from the fighting..many of us engage in debating things of which we know nothing about.. it's just basic generalizations. There's a thread running now about Hitler and WWII
.. none of us were there, but there are some well studied individuals who damn near give the sense that they were... versus those hypothesizing based on what school textbooks have taught them. And from what I've seen... given a lack of 1st hand accounts... those who are very studied on such matters and who possess the ability to factor in the human impact on all levels, come across as quite plausible. And that's when the other person's (in the argument) core belief's are threatened and they reach for the 'give it up' card.
Next time you watch a historian speak of a past president or any historical figure... place close attention to how much they speak of the persons 'documented personal flaws'. Most historians will not delve that far into what the person was really like. They keep it superficial and invoke adjectives like he was passionate, driven and had vision and general things of that nature. They rarely touch on things that make the person "more of a real person". For instance, Thomas Jefferson.. it's said he spoke like girl (his voice never cracked).. well that might explain why he was pretty much quiet while the bickering of the Declaration of Independnce was being drafted. Small things of that nature have a huge impact on a person's perception and the influence they may or not have. A person with bad teeth has a tendency to cover their mouth when the speak and or laugh in a certain social setting. At home or around friends he's comfortable..around strangers it's a completely different person.
We all just lived thru the 2004 election, all of us know that some shenanigans on both sides took place... but since most feel that it was 'just a few' incidents or since they were not touched by it..it's not that bad. It becomes a battle of the selfish versus the selfless. To the selfish, everything borders on the line of desperation, ready to strike at the 1st appearance of someone/something poised to take what's theirs. The world has been about the struggle for power since the 1st person said 'this is mine'.. the 'grab-on has been 'on' ever since! You get too deep on these subjects and people either call you a conspiracy nut or again...invoke the 'give it up' card. Conspiracy is alive and well anywhere money and power are present. It just takes two to conspire or devise a plan of deception. Take two competing college fraternities/sororities..do they conspire against another? Do sports agents conspire to shift a trade deal in one way or another? Does Ford spy on GM
and Toyota? Does Boeing spy on Airbus? Does Israel spy on the US. Did Kerry spy on the Bush Camp? What do the do with the acquired intell? Republicans (unofficially) conspired with /Luciane Goldberg & Linda Tripp to get Clinton by way of Monica, Clinton conspired to cover it up. If money and power were involved.. you bet your ass there's conspiracy going on at full throttle! It just not called that in 'legitimate circles or what is perceived as such.. it's called 'out foxing' or 'out jockeying the competition/rival.' Average Joe will argue with you that 'that's just the way things are done'.. no, it's acceptable conspiracy is what it is.. and it's employed in ways and on levels that Average Joe couldn't understand if it layed out right infront of his very eyes. Now enters the case of 'prove it's a conspiracy' that's when it gets tricky , furtive and must meet a legal acceptibility. But the bottom line remains.. you can't remain in power without the ability and will to conspire in some form or another.. you'll end up powerless and/or broke if you do.
People only want to know so much truth then they pull the 'emergency brake'! And that threshold for truth is different for any and everyone who breaths air.
"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson