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Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:13 am

"The US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, yesterday tapped into deepening international concern about a clandestine nuclear programme in Iran, warning that Tehran was actively working to develop a bomb.
Mr Rumsfeld's remarks, delivered during a visit to Germany, appeared to be aimed at exerting pressure on Tehran and the UN's nuclear monitoring agency, which meets next week in Vienna to decide how to respond to Iran's failure to honour nuclear safeguards".


http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,975496,00.html

Geez I had mentioned this in here last summer and everyone laughed.....This is the next destination for PNAC.....ummmm... What about Osama...oh thats right we have forgot about him.....

Ever wonder why the USA is building US Military Bases in Iraq(14 to be exact) we are going to be permanatly in that country.....that is the **sh plan.

I believe Iran has Oil too..........
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:34 am

Interesting. *IF* we did invade Iran I would think using Iraq as a launching pad would be a bad thing. Iraq has a Shia majority and we know Iran is the largest Shia populated country in the world. I think that would probably turn most of the Shia's against us. I am also not sure about Iran having a lot of oil, someone on here can probably verify this.

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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:43 am

Let Europe deal with it. They are more at risk than the US is.

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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:44 am

On another note I would rather see the U.S. support an Iranian opposition group to overthrow the Fundamentalist than do a full scale invasion. I also think that over 80% of the Iranian population would like normal relations with the U.S.

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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:50 am

Iran has admitted that they're working toward a nuclear capability. Sorry Randy but try again to find your next Bush bashing article and maybe you should lay off the koolaid for a while.
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:58 am

At least he didn't start this thread saying his sister died or something...

I believe Iran is another Iraq waiting to happen...you'd think us kicking ass in Iraq would make Iran straighten up and fly right, but apparently not...go get em boys  Smile

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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:09 am

"you'd think us kicking ass in Iraq would make Iran straighten up"


DeltaGuy........Wake Dah.F_ _ _ up

Those that oppose us in Iraq out number us 2.5 to one.......Wolfwitz told congress that the Iraqy people would greet us with ROSEs and Chocolate.....instead they have greeted us with CAR BOMBS and Beheadings. We have let them down....we have leveled their towns...killed their childern..many are still without water and electricity 20 months later.......But lets not forget we are protecting and improving the OIL WELLS sites.........

I think they would rather have Saddam back than us occupying their country somthing BUSH said we'd never do.

But hey....Haliburton has work for 20+years......thats all that really matters.
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:10 am

DeltaGuy: I believe Iran is another Iraq waiting to happen...

Ignorant glossing-over-the-specifics got you into the first mess; You won´t fare any better in a repeat.  Insane

DeltaGuy: you'd think us kicking ass in Iraq would make Iran straighten up and fly right, but apparently not...go get em boys

Get into the army and repeat that when (if!) you´ve returned back home!  Pissed

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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:12 am

Try looking at this from Iran's point of view.

They get labeled as a member of the Axis of Evil.
They see the invasion of their neighbor, another member of that club.
They have every reason to fear American intentions in the region.
Their conventional armed forces are no match to the US.

If you were them wouldn't you be thinking about developing nuclear weapons as a deterrent to being invaded.
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:13 am

I Hope the Iraqy People write in the name Saddam Hussian on their Ballots
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:15 am

Delta767300ER:

"On another note I would rather see the U.S. support an Iranian opposition group to overthrow the Fundamentalist than do a full scale invasion."

You mean like when the last dictator, the Shah took power of the country?

" I also think that over 80% of the Iranian population would like normal relations with the U.S."

The Iranian Revolution took place as a result of the former regime's relations with the U.S. I don't think many Iranians have forgotten about the US supported coup which brought decades of oppression by the Shah.

I can imagine you are trully concerned about the Iranian people, but I'd suggest you first study Iran's history a bit better, specially U.S. involvement with Iran over the past decades, to be able to assess how normal Iranians exactly feel about having that same U.S. again as their neighbour and telling them what to do. Given their bad experience with U.S. involvement in their country, I don't blame Iran at all for trying to acquire an A Bomb.
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:24 am

I Hope the Iraqy People write in the name Saddam Hussian on their Ballots

There is always one post in all of these threads that truly shows Randall's true colors.


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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:32 am

Stowaway said...."There is always one post in all of these threads that truly shows Randall's true colors."

Let me bounce you on the side......your needle seems to be stuck in the same groove....
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:33 am

I like the fact that noone has yet mentioned the slap out of this world that Bush got with the latest video to appear from the Iraqi resistance fighters.

"And to George W. Bush, we say, “You have asked us to ‘Bring it on’, and so have we. Like never expected. Have you another challenge?”"
 
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:42 am

instead they have greeted us with CAR BOMBS and Beheadings.

Rsmith what are you smoking? What percentage of the Iraqi population met us with such actions? About, what 7-10% at the most, and even then, only 1% is actually resorting to beheadings and car bombings.
 
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:44 am

Jalto,

Its that 7-10% that make up the insurgency, even if it is a minority. It enough pissed of people (hundreds of thousands) that we are having major problems in Iraq.
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:45 am

Source, CPH-R?

Haven´t heard of that one yet...
 
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:46 am

Jalto......

What are you smoking.........I want my Choclates........Im paying for the dam war I want my countrys soldiers to get what they were promised.... chocolates.

Question for you..........What was Wolfiwitz smoking before he addressed congress???????.......PNAC HOOTCH???????
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:54 am

What? Remind me what happened when we got to Baghdad Rsmith.
 
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:55 am

There is very, very little chance of us invading Iran. If we are ready to go to war with them over the nuclear weapons, it would likely be a combination of airstrikes and special forces operations, not a full invasion like we did in Iraq. I wouldn't be surprised to see us striking at Syria either, if they don't stop supporting the terrorists in Iraq.

Frankly, I think we should let Israel deal with Iran. They are virtually an extension of the US military anyway. We should let them refuel over Iraq and let them bomb the crap out of the Iranian sites that are producing the weapons. The fact that no such attack has occured leads me to believe that Iran is not as close to getting nukes as everyone thinks. Israel's survival is on the line and there is no way they will ever let Iran get nukes.
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:56 am

We didnt get Chocolates Did we......just answer the question......They were shooting at us then to......
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:58 am

You mean they were helping us tear down a statue of saddam, and cheering in the streets. I'm sorry if they didn't feed us chocolates..if that is really what matters to you.  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:02 pm

Wolfiwitz said nothing about tearing down Statues of Saddam.
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:04 pm

I could probably believe this one as we all know about AQ Khan selling secrets to Iran. I think the better way to deal with this problem is to encourange a revolution from the new generation of Iranians. An invasion would be the stupidest thing we could do.
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:26 pm

Iraq didn't work out well.

Let's try Iran now.
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:29 pm

I think the better way to deal with this problem is to encourange a revolution from the new generation of Iranians.

That might deal with the hostile regime, but from what I understand, the younger generation wants the bomb as much as the religious rulers.
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:29 pm

Let me bounce you on the side......your needle seems to be stuck in the same groove....

RSmith: That is the funniest thing I have heard all night. Well, who knows? We will see when you start up your next scheduled thread in 5 minutes. You always manage to top yourself.




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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:44 pm

If I was being threatened by the largest nuclear superpower in the world I'd be hurredly trying to make nuclear bombs too. Until the US disarms theirs, noone else is going to. Iran is not any worse than the US in wanting to protect its people and their territory. If the boot was on the other foot you would do the same thing. Leave them be or face the consequences of many more Americans being killed in a futile struggle that will benefit noone.
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:49 pm

Wolfiwitz said nothing about tearing down Statues of Saddam.

I'll tell my friends never to listen to Mr. Wolfiwitz, physic extrodinare ever again.
 
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:12 pm

I believe Iran is another Iraq waiting to happen

It's too damn bad Iraq wasn't another Iraq waiting to happen. But you continue to bury your head in the sand on that one. Old habits die hard, I guess.

Do I get the feeling our conservative bretheren are chomping at the bit, needing another war to feed their gonads, and to feed their pan-American dream?

Wasn't the shit in Iraq enough for you guys?
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:17 pm

Whoa, don't get the Generalization Train fired up for the night, Falcon!

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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:19 pm

If the generalization fits, my friend.....
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:25 pm

You can always make a Generalization fit.... That is what one is!



Man........Wow.....
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:29 pm

You got a point there....  Laugh out loud

And it's not meant for you, to be honest, but some other members on the board.
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:10 pm

Iraq population: 25 million
Iran population: 69 million


Iraq area: 437,000 km2
Iran area: 1,600,000 km2

Forget the justification. Add to the above the fanaticism of the army and you get an idea about the carnage that will follow if The US of A attempts something like Iraq.
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:07 pm

I'd love to see them try. Dubya doesnt have the balls to try it, because he knows that invading Iran will make Iraq look like playing in a sandbox with a 2 year old.

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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:10 pm

It may seem like a fine point, but its not. It matters very much. Yes, they did help us tear down the statues of Saddam. They wanted him gone. But we were nor greeted with "chocolates". What that means is that they don't want the US there. Sure, they wanted Saddam gone, but not us in his place. No mater how you cut the cake, nobody gets to eat it.
 
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:36 pm

Having a Nuclear Weapon is a way out for countries who feel they will be pressurized by the US.
Ditto N.Korea & now Iran,must feel that if they have N.Weapons,the US will think before attacking them.
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:08 pm

im sorry to say, that if the usa invades iran...that's it..it's going to be over for most of us here...bombs, deaths,chaos...americans will be killed left and right all over the world, embassies bombed, american schools taken hostage, american aircraft targeted by any and everyone that is already barely holding back..... clearly most of you don't know about iranians.....i went to school with MANY and have many iranian friends...they are far more agressive and protective than Iraqis are, and they will fight back, with a lot more force and less mercy..... it would be the ultimate war, perhpas the war of religions where lifestyle has taken the form of religion...... if something like that happens.... i dont know what i would do or say.... people stop forgetting that pearl harbor was a military base, and well, when the us retaliated to japan, they used a WMD and on thousands of civilians....so those of you who think promoting democracy and this and that is a true reason for invading and all...then you are failures of whatever education system u came from...seriously. No one gives more than they take...NO ONE.
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:35 pm

well said pilotaydin. A lot more people all over the world would feel it their duty stop the US Govt if they were to bomb any axis of evil countries. The US Govt should quit while they're behind. It's better be behind the 8 ball for a while than have the blood of thousands of your civilians on your hands.
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:57 pm

There is far too much ignorance of just what Iran is all about here.

The Iranian government may be restrictive, but they had a revolution to install that Government. Any force invading Iran will have to deal with both a fanatical and loyal army plus a population which will not want to stand to the side.

Iran has 69 million people. An invader would need to deploy MILLIONS of troops to subdue that nation. Unlike Iraq, those 69 million will consider resistance a duty, and there just aren't enough C-130, C-17 and C-5 aircraft in existence to keep up with the non-stop shuttle of body bags an invading US force would find itself creating.

Invade Iran and you are facing an army which is effectively a large chunk of the whole nation.
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Mon Jan 17, 2005 2:52 am

here we go:

a) someone explain again to me why iran shouldn't be able to possess nuclear weapons, but israel should as well as the united states and any of their allies.

b) iran isn't a second iraq. iran is not an aggressor and there's no way they'll try any fishy crap, especially with the united states. i don't see why people would be surprised that iran would be defending itself, especially these days when the united states is still occupying its neighboring iraq. not to mention the fact that israel breathes down the us' back about iran and their alleged weapons program.

c) it would behoove the united states and the bush administration to TALK with iran. aggresion towards iran militarily would be a disaster. period. tensions would be higher than ever, not only between arab countries/iran and israel, but countries worldwide.
 
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Mon Jan 17, 2005 2:57 am

Why not discuss other doomsday scenarios in this thread as well? As I said before, the chances of a FULLSCALE American invasion of Iran are low. We would have to move hundreds of thousands of more troops there, troops that we don't have.

If we were to attack Iran, it would be sophisticated airstrikes and special forces. Iran will not get nuclear weapons.
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:10 am

Seymour Hersh is on CNN right now talking about his article in the New Yorker where he says the US Government has been conducting surveillance operations on dozens of suspected sites in Iran--And that precision airstrikes and short term commando operations would be the preferred method, NOT REGIME CHANGE and NOT airstrikes on Tehran. Hersh said that Iran is totally separate from Iraq and that no matter how bad Iraq becomes, Iran will still be treated separately as a major threat.

He also talked about Rumsfeld and the Defense Department receiving authorization to conduct special forces operations in ten Middle East and South Asian counries.
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:36 am

'the US Government has been conducting surveillance operations on dozens of suspected sites in Iran--And that precision airstrikes and short term commando operations would be the preferred method

He also talked about Rumsfeld and the Defense Department receiving authorization to conduct special forces operations in ten Middle East and South Asian counries.'


What right does the US have to do any of these things? I guess it's because of the size of that military. US foreign policy these days is akin to a bully at school picking on the smaller kids. A shameful act that is nothing to be proud of.
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:08 am

>>"Let Europe deal with it. They are more at risk than the US is. "<<

What, proximity wise? Why was Iraq our deal then? Considering that WMD is WMD, Iran probably has weapons that could hit here unlike the Iraqi phantoms. This is all on the assumption Rumsfeld interpreted the intel properly.

I remember in the spring of 2003 before we went to war, watching him on CNN/FOXNEWS pointing at a board of Iraq in front of a UN audience that "we know where the weapons are".

Really, and I believe him; we'd've just gone straight there to get them...I'll always remember thinking that.

We are just gonna go to war with Iran and NK a few years after that, and that my friends will be WW3, cuz we might piss of China/Russia too somehow. Afterall, we are waging this war on terror for OUR security, why should we give a damn for anyone else?
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:09 am

The US supporting an oposition group?

Isnt that what you did last time and where is it now?
 
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RE: Iran Working On Nuclear Bomb, Says Rumsfeld

Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:57 am

I assume that the Iranian government has learned from what happened in Iraq and has the manufacturing sites and weapons distributed over a large area. I don´t see a special forces attack and/or cruise missiles taking out all of their assets.

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