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Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 6:43 am

...or is that a pipe dream?
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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 6:50 am

It would not be the MR-2 Mark II.

The full belly pan underneath rides up on snow more than a couple of inches deep, unweighting the tires. After that it does not care much which end of it goes first. It will spin true, though, and end up just where you were going in the first place.

And, to its credit, it handles rain and wet roads better than some expensive Italian iron.
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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:19 am

How about a Porsche 911 Carrera 4 with snow tires installed? I hear it's unstoppable in the snow, unless it's very deep of course.  Big grin

Here's a video of it in the rain, although you get the picture ...

http://p-car.com/mpeg/rain.avi

It's one beautiful day after another

I'll throw in the following one too, just because I like it so much ...

http://p-car.com/mpeg/PORSCHE4.MPG

If I had one of these cars, I'd drive it in pretty much any weather, as that's what this car was designed for. A true enthusiast drives his cars.
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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:32 am

Lamborghini Gallardo or Ferrari 430M. The Lambo is 4WD, the Ferrari has E-Diff and a special 'snow' traction setting....also as previously stated the 911 C4S or 996 Turbo would also be great.
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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:15 am

Is the WRX-STi sporty enough for you?  Innocent  Smile


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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:45 am



LY744, sorry, the Subaru only has 4 cylinders, so it is not a sports car.  Big grin That at least according to some here on airliners.net! Nevermind that it is a world-class rally car, that it has 300 hp, that is can accelerate in roughly 5 seconds to 60 mph, handle like a charm ... it's not a sports car.  Smile

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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 9:10 am

None of those cars could get out of my driveway here in NW Suburbs if it was last night...there was snow banks on the road at least 2 feet high and snow about 18-22 inches high everywhere. Everyone who had a pickups and SUVs (Including me) had a hard time.

This depends of course what kind of snow we are talking about?
 
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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:01 am

You are correct Peter. I think the original poster meant winter driving in general, with a reasonable amount of snow on the roads. Let's face it, many sports cars will be completely useless in winter driving, while others might not only be relatively capable, but a lot of fun too.
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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 12:40 pm

Funny we're talking about this as I was observing a fully "snowcaked" late gen BMW M3 driving north on the 427. All four mudflaps were heavily loaded with the brown stuff and, to top it off, it had evidence of daily usage by the installation of a ski rack on top. She was a rolling contradiction in terms I tells ya with the quasi-totality of the beautiful Imola Red paint covered in the beige dried up water spray. It would of been interesting to converse with him to see how he fares out on our "secondary"* roads.

The message was clear: F*ck SUV's when you got 333hp on a relatively light chassis. Great stuff I say.

* In Toronto, any road other than highways are secondary roads insofar as ploughing is concerned.

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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:47 pm

Lehpron:
Not a pipe dream at all.
All the above post are incorrect. The ONLY sports car that is good for snow is the 1980-1983 AMC Eagle SX/4.
It was a 4 wheel drive compact with a fastback roofline, high ground clearance, excellent handling, tight turning radius and had styling that turned heads.  Smile
Although the biggest engine you could get was the 258cu" straight six cylinder, you could easily swap engines with the 360cu" high performance V8 which was offered in the Hornet SC coupe, wagon and sedan. The Eagle is a Hornet and the Hornet SC put many Chevelles, Novas and Mustangs to shame.




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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:54 pm

Superfly, if only you had such good tastes in politics as you do old cars and women................





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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:10 pm

I don't know if I can call any AMC product a sports car.

But I do not that most sporty cars, particularly modern ones don't do well because they mount their radiators so low to the ground they get snowpacked.

I had to replace the fan motor in my old Cavalier for this very reason.
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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:16 pm

NWA742:
You mean you don't agree with my politics?  Laugh out loud



I also forgot to mention that AMC has to have the hottest heaters. I cranked the heat on my friend's Eagle wagon and I felt like I burned a layer of skin off my face. Those strong heaters come in handy if you live on the Upper Peninsula of Michigan or any extreme cold climate parts of the US and Canada.
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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:25 pm

L-188:
Don't forget the AMC Rebel Machine, Javelin and AMX.
Those cars are very fast.


Honestly I think the idea of driving fast in the snow or rain is a bad idea. The AMC Eagle is a rare example of a station wagon version selling better than the sporty coupe and sedan versions.
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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:16 am

EVO's, WRX STi, Audi S4, RS6 are the best for snow. Cayenne Turbo  Big grin is probably the ultimate. Seriously, my guess would possibly be a Carrera 4S or Turbo 911.
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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Tue Jan 25, 2005 3:13 am

I would say that AWD is not a pre-req to a good driving sporty car in snow... it certainly helps to say the least, but a GOOD set of winter tires is a must. I suspect that M3 on the 427 was probably running on winters. The high-performance summer only rubber that most of the aforementioned cars come with would leave you pretty much up a creek should the road get messy.

Now I saw a video a while back with a Porsche test driver in a Carrera 2 shod with Continental WinterContacts running around the Nordsclife in Germany with a good coating of fresh powder on the track. I wouldn't say he was going all that fast, but the driver had to put a lot of effort into his driving to maintain his pace (lots of steering wheel movement, throttle and brake modulation). I was tired from watching the video.


And of course there is the point when the roads are so messy and the snow so deep that unless you are driving at least 3/4ton pickup with a plow on the front, you aren't going anywhere.
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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:34 am

Lehpron:
Well did I convence you to go out and buy an AMC Eagle SX/4? Big grin


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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:02 pm

Maybe you should key him into the rolling jump James Bond did with the AMC in, "The Man with the Golden Gun"

That might convince him Superfly.
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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:06 pm

Ah, that should convence Lehpron!
No need to worry about ice & snow on the roads when you can fly.


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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:09 pm

If there is, tell me when you find one. I have a Trans Am and I'm surprised I dont get in an accident on my way to work every morning. My God, that car is horrible in the snow. Only 2-3 more months of winter! Yes!
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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:14 pm

Superfly.

There was company that was planning to build sort of the same thing as a homebuilt kit, but around a Geo Metro.
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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:23 pm

Geo Metro?
YUCK!



As far current cars that should come with 4 wheeel drive, I'd like the see the current Mercury Grand Marquis offered as a stationwagon (Colony Park) with 4X4 drive and Powerstroke diesel engine.
That would be one awesome family car with great towing capability, power, efficency, interior space and luxury. Thow on the the wood grain side panels and lugage rack too. ()
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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:24 pm

sorry, double post.  Sad

[Edited 2005-02-01 04:24:42]
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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:27 pm

I think you would have the same problems with that car up here that I had with my Cavalier.

They mount the radiators so low to the ground they get packed in with snow and it burns out the fan motors.
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RE: Is There A Sports Car Good In Snow...?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:41 pm

L-188:
I forgot to add that my Grand Marquis wagon idea would be raised a few inches just as the AMC Eagle sat higher than the Hornet.
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