silverfox
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New York Bus Terminal

Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:38 am

Can any New York based readers (also interested in buses!) clarify the following

Is there a bus terminal with a single lane for express coaches/buses?
(I dont know the US terminology but a one way road,one lane wide)

How many seats does the average express coach have?

How many coaches per hour do or could use this single lane road

Thanks

Ron
 
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RE: New York Bus Terminal

Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:50 am

Not really sure what your question is. It is about as clear as a muddy river.

BUT, I can tell you that an average coach, like a Greyhound bus, seats around 65 or so. They should have some basic info on their buses on their website.
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RE: New York Bus Terminal

Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:01 am

Buses from New Jersey and points west/south can access the Port Authority Bus Terminal through dedicated lanes leading up to the Lincoln Tunnel. Bus-only ramps lead from the tunnel on the New York side.
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RE: New York Bus Terminal

Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:08 am

DesertJets.
I will try and rephrase it

I have been advised that there is a Bus Terminal in New York (name not given) that has an access road dedicated for buses only that is a single track. (ie you cannot overtake the vehicle in front)
This road will allow 30,000 seats per hour to service the Terminal

Given your answer that the average Greyhound has 65 seats, this means that there is a bus along this road every

(60*60)/(30000/65) 7.79 seconds

I just cannot see that this is physically possible.

If anyone out there can give us some clues as to what this guy is on about, i want to take him up on it, as he is one of these rather obnoxious gits who has a face you would not tire of slapping

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RE: New York Bus Terminal

Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:15 am

No... there aren't 30,000 seat per hour coming into the Port Authority terminal. As mentioned, the terminal IS designed with bus-only lanes coming in from and going to the Lincoln Tunnel, but no way would 30,000 passenger be able to board and depart in an hour.
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RE: New York Bus Terminal

Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:24 am

With regards to the Port Authority Bus Terminal at 42nd street. From the Port Authority of NY/NJ website:

“On a typical weekday, approximately 7,200 buses and about 200,000 people use the bus terminal.” http://www.panynj.gov/tbt/pabframe.HTM

Based on that, 30,000/hr during rush seems quite likely.
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RE: New York Bus Terminal

Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:37 am

Ok, the question seems clearer.

Am I correct in assuming that not just intra-city coaches and Greyhound type buses use the PA bus terminal, but also MTA transit buses and the like?
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RE: New York Bus Terminal

Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:52 am

Intra-city coaches and Greyhound are a very small fraction of the traffic at the PA Bus Terminal. Mostly it is commuter buses carrying passengers that typically work in the Midtown area.

I don’t believe the MTA X-buses use the PA Bus Terminal at all (someone correct me if I’m wrong). NJ Transit is the single largest user of the terminal by far, followed by the various carriers that serve individual areas in NJ and beyond (DeCamp, USA Bus, etc.)
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RE: New York Bus Terminal

Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:44 am

I don’t believe the MTA X-buses use the PA Bus Terminal at all (someone correct me if I’m wrong).

You are correct.
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RE: New York Bus Terminal

Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:56 am

I have commuted in/out of the Port Authority Bus Terminal in NYC for over 26 years. It is regarded as the busiest bus terminal in the world, and one of the biggest in size. It was originally built in 1950, and expanded considerably to the north to it's current structure in the early 1980's. Busses can, by ramps, from the nearby Lincoln Tunnel and several street points, use 2 above ground (almost all for suburban bus services) and 1 lower level floors (mostly long distance/some commuter busses), and there is 1 level of car parking on the top level. Parts, mainly for long distance and selected suburban bus services, operate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. 85% of the busses are for services to suburban northern New Jersey, mostly by NJ Transit, one of the biggest public bus services in the USA. The terminal has direct access to the NYC subway system, and NYC bus services are on adjacent streets. The terminal building also has ticket offices and related facilities for NYC tour busses.
As to the special lanes you ask about: I-495, which feeds into the Lincoln Tunnel for about 2 miles, operates on business weekdays, from about 5 am to 10 am, an inbound NYC lane, the 'Exclusive Bus Lane'/XBL, for suburban and other transit busses inbound to the PA Bus Terminal, and elsewhere in NYC, in the what is the 'fast lane' of the outbound I-495. It has special lights above the lane, and every day it is used, special cones are installed and removed in holes in the pavement to indicate the special opposite direction lane. Busses using the lane are required to use specified toll booth lanes, and almost all have to use 'E-Z Pass', an electronic toll paying system.
A typical USA intercity/suburban or long distance coach can seat about 47-54 passangers. There are some articulated busses used into the PABT which can hold over 70 seated passangers. Almost all busses in the USA are equipped with wheelchair lift systems and special doors as due to federal and state subsidies for publc systems and requirements under law otherwise. Almost all long distance ('Greyhound') and many suburban busses are made by a company called MCI, (Motor Coach Industries) in North Dakota and Canada, with that company in turn owned by a Mexican company called Dana, which makes European style long distance coaches, for charter coach companies. A number of private coach/charter/tour busses are made by either Prevost, a Quebec, Canada company or several European companies, like Setra, Vanttool, and others.
 
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RE: New York Bus Terminal

Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:16 am

Thanks for the info. I admire anyone with the stomach and the stamina to put up with the PA for 26 years.  Big thumbs up

They say the PA has gotten better over the last 10-15 years, do you think that’s true?
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RE: New York Bus Terminal

Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:42 am

Actually the average coach seats 50 passengers. 65 is highly unlikely.

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RE: New York Bus Terminal

Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:28 am

Don't forget the Port Authority actually operates two bus terminals in Manhattan. One sits right at the Manhattan part of the George Washington Bridge, this is of course *much* smaller than the 42d St. one but since I live right near there I thought I'd mention it.

It also has dedicated bus lanes.

Commuters from northern NJ (Especially Patterson and Hackensack) as well as Upstate have busses going in here. This one does have New York City busses in its terminal.

It hasn't changed much since the 60s, it is something out of the Twilight Zone.
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RE: New York Bus Terminal

Wed Jan 26, 2005 12:20 am

Guys,
Thanks for all the input
Like the 7200 coaches 200000 passengers bit so it could be true, BUT with the majority of repliers saying that the average bus hold between 50-65 people this 7 second gap is getting smaller.
How many stands goes the terminal have?
It sounds like organised chaos!

 
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RE: New York Bus Terminal

Wed Jan 26, 2005 12:26 am

OK here is his quote

'The single express coach lane that serves the New York bus station delivers 30,000 seats in the peak hour'

Now if the av coach hold 65 people and everyone is full that is 30000/65
461 buses per hour or one bus every 8 seconds along one single road.


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