DABZF
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Computer Question

Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:24 pm

Is there any computer freaks among a.netters?

I have (my work computer) HP Omnibook laptop with 800Mhz Intel processor with (staggering) 256MB of RAM running XP Professional in a Novel network.

My problem is that because all the crap (I call them crap but they are actually necessary they say) that automatically starts in the startup the computer is so busy for the first 5 minutes that you are not able to do anything! Needless to say this sucks!

Question is that is that slowness in the startup caused more by the lack of RAM or the slow processor speed? Would upgrading the memory, lets say to 1024MB, help a lot or is the main problem the processor? CPU usage in the startup goes up and down between 10 and 100% and the memory usage is (suprise!) at full.

I would not like to spend the money to the new memory unless it really helps with this "problem"

Thanks!
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UTA_flyinghigh
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RE: Computer Question

Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:31 pm

First do :

Start -> All programs -> Startup

to assess what software is starting up after the OS boots.
Chances are, there is a lot of unnecessary software there.
Delete as required from the menu bar.

You said it was a work computer; chances are it is authenticating your machine on the network via Novell or other software; in this case upgrading your RAM will maybe jhelp a little but not significantly.

Cheers,

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RE: Computer Question

Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:44 pm

I had the same problem some time ago.
I use IBM THinkPad R31 Pentium III 1GHz 256 RAM. It took 5 min or more before computer were ready to work.
In some cases what UTA_flyingHIGH said could help but not always
there are some services you could not delete (simply not visible).
One computer guru suggested me to reinstall everything completely.

In my case I backed up everything I needed than
format hard drive--> Install OS --> Install some necessary drivers form IBM web site.

This way is time consuming. But it works for me.
Here I should note that I did not install all drivers and now I do not have support of some special ThinkPad keys.
 
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RE: Computer Question

Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:45 pm

One computer guru suggested me to reinstall everything completely.


Were you on the phone with Get Away tech support by any chance ? Big grin

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RE: Computer Question

Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:46 pm

Thanks UTA! I Knew I could count on you! Big grin

I can not remove any of the programs in stratup:
1) all these applications start up for a reason, even if not really needed!
2) they are not shown in the startup folder (I know you can access this info in the registry for example)
3) you need admin rights (which I do have although I should not!)  Laugh out loud

...it's not caused by the network authentication, because it takes the same 5 minutes when starting outside the network as well!

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RE: Computer Question

Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:48 pm

Another idea in case you don't want to reinstall: Go to Start > Run / Kør & type in MSconfig & hit enter. Go to the tab that has something to do with Start & deselect those programs you can really live without (Office bar & the like).

If you want to upgrade the hardware, I think you'll need to upgrade both CPU and RAM & then it's not really cost effective (since Mobile hardware costs quite a lot more than regular hardware)
 
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RE: Computer Question

Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:55 pm

...or you can run a brute-forcer to get those pesky admin rights Big grin

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RE: Computer Question

Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:06 pm

Reinstalling is not an option and it would not help anything either!

I quess I just throw this thing out of the window(s)!  Laugh out loud
Our new laptop option is this crazy little Samsung which has enough memory and CPU but otherwise I don't like it at all so I would prefer to have this HP (as crazy as it sounds)!

Maybe I can borrow some RAM from someone so that I can test if it makes any difference!?
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RE: Computer Question

Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:23 pm

UTA_flyingHIGH
you could smile but in my case reinstall help. It starts much faster.

Were you on the phone with Get Away tech support by any chance ?
As I understand this is some service in Elbonia?
If you would give me their number and elbonian telephone country code I will call them next time I have a problem.
 
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RE: Computer Question

Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:31 pm

If your Startup does not include the programs,Go to the options of those Programes & change the Start with Startup option.
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DABZF
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RE: Computer Question

Wed Jan 26, 2005 12:07 am

All of you actually ignored my original question Big grin
Do you think that upgrading the RAM would help?

Like mentioned few times - I have to have the programs in startup that are there - no way around it! Also reinstalling is not an option!

But I guess I'm stuck with my dreadfully slow laptop  Sad

Thanks anyway!

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RE: Computer Question

Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:51 pm

Start>Run type "msconfig",click "Startup" & uncheck all programs that you really don't require. For assistance use http://www.windowsstartup.com/wso/search.php. Type in the Startup Item for any command you are unsure of or need further details.


Next, Start>Run type "c:/windows/prefetch". Left click inside the "prefetch" folder. Highlight all files in that folder & delete. These "prefetch" items are supposed to be a "cache" type system, but in reality it simply contains MB or GB's of unneccessary & temporary files. You should notice an immeadiate performance improvement.

Finally, make sure to use "Disk Clean-Up" & "Disk Defragmenter". Both found in Start>All Programs>Accessories>System Tools.

Make sure to update your Anti-Virus software & scan frequently.

You should have better performance, if you add more RAM. Even 128mb would help & should be fairly cheap.

Tom

[Edited 2005-01-26 08:53:05]
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RE: Computer Question

Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:28 pm

DABZE, I had a problem like that over 12 months ago on my laptop. 5 - 15 minute startups.

We use roaming profiles (i.e. you can log onto any amchine and your desktop, my documents, etc) are available. If your work has this setup and you have a lot of files under documents and settings//..., they'll all be replciated on startup and shutdown. So, if it's not startup programs andservices, it might be this IF your network has roaming profiles.

Good luck.
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RE: Computer Question

Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:39 pm

DeskPilot, we do actually use roaming profiles! But will that effect the startup also when starting up outside the network (not connected to the server)?
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RE: Computer Question

Fri Jan 28, 2005 5:32 am

Listen to what Yokohama is saying. It is your best bet. If you are a little PC knowledgeable I would suggest you:

-Delete as much unneeded from your disk, diskspace is important for performance

-Once you clean up, run defragmenter, even better, use diskeeper from executive software, it will speed up your boot, it has a boot function and will do much better that the build-in defrag.

-Make sure you set your cache to be controlled by you (not the system) and set it to twice memory size (for you 512 Mb) work to get it in one contiguous space.

-Run spyboot to remove any ad-ware and spy-ware, also use one of the tools to prevent unwanted stuff to start at boot. Not all is needed, some can be run when needed.

-If you can afford, get more ram, maybe you can get it cheap on the internet.
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RE: Computer Question

Fri Jan 28, 2005 5:42 am

Yeah what they said, and you better put another DIMM in there, 256 mb is meagre for WIndows XP.
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