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Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:34 am

Check out his new home...

Florence, CO

Supermax(officially called the United States Penitentiary Administrative Maximum Facility)

Inmates call it the Alcatraz of the Rockies. Advocates call it unfortunate but necessary, given an increasingly violent prison population. Critics call it a concept that didn't work in 19th-century America and is in danger of overuse now.

In the arid, remote high desert, the triangular, two-story, high-tech ADX is almost invisible, as are its 417 male inmates. Many spend 23 of every 24 hours double-locked in an 8-by-12-foot cell behind a steel door and barred grate. Some spend the day's remaining hour alone as well, exercising in a small concrete recreation area and subjected to strip searches upon leaving and re-entering their cells. Except for the guards, there is no direct human contact.

Mr Reid's famous cell mates include:

  • THEODORE KACZYNSKI, 56, the Unabomber, serving four consecutive life sentences.


  • TIMOTHY McVEIGH, 30, sentenced to death for the 1995 bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building which killed 168 people.


  • CHARLES HARRELSON, 66, the father of actor Woody Harrelson, is serving two life sentences for the murder of a federal judge.


  • TERRY NICHOLS, 43, McVeigh's accomplice, is now serving life in prison.


  • EYAD ISMOIL, 27, serving 240 years for driving the rental van holding the bomb in the World Trade Center attack.


  • LUIS FELIPE, 35, leader of New York's Latin Kings gang, who ordered the murders of six gang members from his jail cell and is serving a life sentence.


  • Interesting stuff I ran across doing some research...

    Reid, 29, a British citizen and convert to Islam, was arrested for allegedly trying to light a fuse to set off explosives concealed in his sneakers while on AA Flight #63 from CDG-MIA on December 22,2001.






    [Edited 2005-01-26 23:57:09]
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    SATL382G
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:37 am

    You might want to double check your research.

    McVeigh is dead....
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:47 am

    When was Reid sentenced and on what accounts?

    sentenced to death i am assuming he means he was executed there.

    McVeigh is dead.... yes we know.
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:49 am

    Not only is McVeigh dead, but Woody Harrelson is in his mid-to-late 40's. I think Mr. Harrelson senior would be a bit older.

    I hate the idea of men being locked away behind bars. They should be spending their days working, doing something of value, not sucking up our oxygen and tax dollars. The sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona (Phoenix) has the right idea...it should be applied all over the country.
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:51 am

    He is a terrorist (albeit not a very good one) and I can think of no better place for this vermin. I hope he rots there!
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    aa777jr
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:56 am

    January 30, 2003 United States vs. Reid.

    US District Court Judge William Young

    On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the custody of the United States Attorney General.

    On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutive with the other. That's 80 years.

    Official charges under the US Patriot Act for Mr Reid are as follows:

    1)"attempted use of weapon of mass destruction,"
    2)"attempted homicide,"
    3)"placing explosive device on aircraft,"
    4)"attempted murder,"
    5)"interference with flight crew and attendants,"
    6)"attempted destruction of aircraft," and
    7)"using a destructive device during and in relation to a crime of violence."




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    boeingfever777
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:00 am

    but Woody Harrelson is in his mid-to-late 40's. I think Mr. Harrelson senior would be a bit older.

    No, 66 is the right age I believe.

    Charles Harrelson was born in Huntsville, Texas, in 1939.

    source: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKharrelson.htm
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:03 am

    McVeigh was executed at the federal prison at Terre Haute, IN.
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:03 am

    My mistake - I mis-read Harrelson's age...sorry!!
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:05 am

    You might want to double check your research.

    McVeigh is dead....


    Not only that, he was executed 6/11/01; exactly 3 months before 9/11. Which means that McVeigh and Richard Reid never met.
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:33 am

    Not only that, he was executed 6/11/01; exactly 3 months before 9/11. Which means that McVeigh and Richard Reid never met.

    ...and so no possibility that they were ever cellmates at the SuperMax....
    Like I said, he needs to double check his research....
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:02 am

    Official charges under the US Patriot Act for Mr Reid are as follows:

    1)"attempted use of weapon of mass destruction,"


    W T F ?

    What weapon of mass destruction did he attempt to use? Nuclear? Biological? Chemical? I doubt he had any of those in his shoe! Or have they just conveniently re-defined what a WMD is?  Nuts I wouldn't be surprised  Insane
     
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:05 am

    If your shoe can kill a 767 full of people at one go, I'd say that weapon/shoe was capable of mass destruction.....
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:36 am

    err.. No. Sorry, try again.

    I realise that it's very fashionable at the moment to conveniently re-define words to suit your needs, but you are wrong.

    Weapons of Mass Destruction: Here is a definition for you. The only way an airliner could be considered a WMD is if it's full of N, B, or C. ok? He was not carrying any of those materials in his shoes. He had no luggage. No WMD. What is your "official" source, Aa777jr?

    Is the new "official" definition for WMD like the rather loose definition for 'Sexual Relations'? Or possibly in the same league as overusing the word 'terrorist' to include just about anybody who doesn't like you?

    As for AA777jr checking his research, unfortunately he has a well documented habit
    of making false claims.
     
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:45 am

    This explains Bush´s definition of WMD´s! Every artillery shell or even a pistol round must be a WMD, because you might bring down a plane with it!  Nuts

    BTW, Supermax is an Irish fastfood chain selling burgers (Claim on their shops: "100% Irish"). If the food in the prison tastes anywhere like the burgers made by Supermax, I´ll pity the prisoners!

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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:58 am

    Actually in legalese some terms will have different definitions based on context. Also this may be a case of prosecutors throwing everything they can at a wall and seeing what sticks.

    If you read police reports down here in Texas you will see "Terroristic threats" These people are not threatening to fly planes into buildings, they are simply threatening to kill their ex wife or something.
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:22 pm

    Wasn't McVeigh executed before Reid's thing even happened?
     
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:08 pm

    Interesting side note on Chuck Harrelson. There are many who believe that he was one of the three "well-dressed tramps" photographed in the railroad yard behind the "grassy knoll" in Dallas the day JFK was assasinated. He, of course, denies it.
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:18 pm

    VNEPLUS5,

    Er, no sorry. Try again.

    Here is the definition of WMD from the link you provided:

    "In arms control usage, weapons that are capable of a high order of destruction and/or of being used in such a manner as to destroy large numbers of people. Can be nuclear, chemical biological and radiological weapons, but excludes the means of transporting or propelling the weapon where such means is a separable and divisible part of the weapon. (JP1-02) "

    It CAN be nuclear, biological, or chemical. It doesn't have to be. According to your definition Reids shoe bomb qualifies as WMD.
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:18 pm

    Wasn't McVeigh executed before Reid's thing even happened?

    Yes, he was executed on June 11, 2001. That was 3 months before 9/11. So, there is no way Reid and McVeigh could've met (unless McVeigh came back as a ghost..LOL).

    See http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/okc/
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:41 pm

    The charges are officially listed on this link of the court transcript when the Judge read the verdict in sentencing phase.

    Regards.

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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Fri Jan 28, 2005 7:26 am

    JR- read that, it says 'a sample email'

    I wouldn't count on a website called 'urbanlegends.about.com' as a real reliable source.
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Fri Jan 28, 2005 7:53 am

    urbandlegends is the host site for the actual transcript for the CNN.com article taken from their law research.

    http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/01/31/reid.transcript

    They are the exact same document. It is reliable. Check it out.

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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Fri Jan 28, 2005 8:59 am

    The Florence, CO 'Supermax' prison is the proper place for Mr. Reid. If he had been successful in getting his shoe bomb lit, then it could have destroyed the aircraft - like PA 103. More likely, it would have caused damage like a passanger cabin luggage bomb use in on a Mid-1980's attack on a TWA flight on a 727 (?), where 2-3 people killed. So, yes, his 'shoe bomb' is a form of WMD, although it is stretching the limits
    As to the prison he is in, other current/former innmates included John Gotti, a notorious NYC area Mafia leader, and the 'Sheik' that was a-hole behind the 1993 WTC terror attack (too bad the laws of the time couldn't have led to the execution of both of them). This prision and a companion one in Indiana or Illinois are were the worst of the worst are imprisoned. Many of the prisioners are very violent, killed jail guards, made numerous escapes/attempts, mass killers, gang/mafia leaders, and so on. The policies and the way the prision is set up has been deeply critized by Amnesty International, but it's conditions are far better than what many countries have for their worst prisioners.
     
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:08 am

    Good luck with the Bar exam AA77jr. It looks like it will be needed.
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Sat Jan 29, 2005 2:32 am

    AA777jr is not actually in law school. If he was, they would have kicked him out for missing several months on the mission he supposedly went on recently, as it was during the semester. Additionally, he never answers my law school related questions.

    Besides, if you are in law school, there are much, much better places than CNN.com to find out about Richard Reid, how and on what charges he was convicted (and not convicted) on.
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    RE: Where In The World Is Richard Reid?

    Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:18 am

    That's so sad! What happened to a man's rights in America? Why would they throw such a noble human being into a place with so many of societies dredges. I was planning a parade for Richard Reid upon his return to London, but now I suppose I will have to save all of those wet kisses for Iraqi insurgents.

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