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Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:31 pm

At last someone says it! According to swe.newspaper Fox News are biggott n hateful to people that s not moron-conservative a la Ann Coulter / O Reilly.

Guess you guyz in US have read about this...

Agree w Ted Turner 1000 %  Big thumbs up

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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:21 pm

Considering Old Capitan Outrageous was married to Hanoi Jane, I'd wager he'd think anything was "right wing".

O'Reilly has every right to say what he does, and we all HAVE the right to watch, or not. I may not agree w/things he and Ann Coulter say, but considering that the media slant is so far "left" that it's nice to have someplace to turn to, that isn't always bashing the administration.

I don't mind disagreeing about things, but due to the liberal bias in most American media, I'm just tired of being told I'm wrong/stupid/foolish for voting the way I do. Why do I have to turn on my TV to watch some show and get to listen to Whoopi/Alec/Babs/Sean/Michael Moore insult me because I don't agree with them? Not all conservatives are wealthy/insensitive/right wingers. AND, not all liberals are hippies/radicals/Hollywood elite, either! Look, the election is over.... Did you see Bush 41 or Bob Dole supporters out in the streets screaming about the outcome of the election, insulting anyone who voted for Clinton? I just went to work the next day, and got on with life. I didn't like Clinton, but his winning didn't make me put my life on hold and complain about it for eight years....

P.S. Is it me, or is it funny that the spell checker for O'Reilly, gives you "Orally"?
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:52 pm

Excuse me but the day after we mark the liberation of Aushewitz you want to agree w/ Ted Turner that Rupert Murdouch is Hitler and Fox News is his propaganda wing? (That's actually what he said.)

How many people has Rupert Murdouch killed?
How many countries has he invaded?
Where is his army?
What genocide has he and Fox participated in?

Ted Turner also said that Hilter was popular when he was ELECTED Chancellor of Germany.
Which just goes to prove what an uninformed ignorant blowhard Turner is. Hitler never got more that 33% of the German vote. He bullied his way into the Chancellorship then took over.

I don't know what they teach you in Sweden but apparently it isn't European history. And those who don't know it are doomed to repeat it.
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:59 pm

Well said, UAL...

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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:04 am

Excuse me but the day after we mark the liberation of Aushewitz you want to agree w/ Ted Turner that Rupert Murdouch is Hitler and Fox News is his propaganda wing?

and fox showed as little of aushewitz as possible, i was flicking through the channels, sky showing the live coverage, bbc, itv, cnn, euronews all covering it live, fox news with a peice about viagra

even if murdoch has never started a war, its propganda, heard of Goebbels havnt you? ever seen the film tomorrow never dies? dont have to start a war to get what you want, being an american i can understand it may be hard to grasp that consept
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:32 am

I'm curious. What does Fox specifically say that puts them on par with Hitler?
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:35 am

Its not "how many people they've killed", its the propoganda that they continuously push through their news channel. And yes, I believe that their lies, misinformation, and agenda constitute propoganda. Often it frightens me how it is the most popular "news" source in our nation.
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:41 am

Please, at least Goebbels had disagreements with Hitler.

Fox News, on the other hand, repeats what this White House trots out, verbatim.
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:44 am

And didn't CNN/Headline news/CBS/NBC/ABC do pretty much the same for an eight year span between January 1993 and January 2001?

What's SO terribly wrong with another point of view?
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Sat Jan 29, 2005 1:08 am

>>>Its not "how many people they've killed", its the propoganda that they continuously push through their news channel. And yes, I believe that their lies, misinformation, and agenda constitute propoganda. Often it frightens me how it is the most popular "news" source in our nation.<<<

Are you referring to inaccurate hard news segments or certain commentators opinions? Be specific please.
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Sat Jan 29, 2005 1:13 am

"What does Fox specifically say that puts them on par with Hitler?"

I'm curious as well....

In fact can any of you provide one single example where Fox News (the NEWS, not the commentators) has lied, spread propaganda, etc? Just one example, that's all I'm asking.

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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Sat Jan 29, 2005 1:32 am

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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Sat Jan 29, 2005 2:49 am

>Considering Old Capitan Outrageous was married to Hanoi Jane, I'd wager he'd think anything was "right wing".<

Actually, Turner turned more to the left toward the end of their marriage and after they divorced. He was quite conservative up until then until he looked around and realized what was really going on in the world

>O'Reilly has every right to say what he does,<

Sure he does, but he does not have a right to commit purgery and slander. He also does not have a right to sexually harrass someone

>I may not agree w/things he and Ann Coulter say,<

Apparently you do

>but considering that the media slant is so far "left"<

Yeah, right. Aside from Air America and Pacifica (both radio only) there is not a media outlet that is left tilted. That has been true for many years

>that it's nice to have someplace to turn to, that isn't always bashing the administration.<

Then watch CNN/NBC/ABC/CBS, they all have taken a rightist slant over the past 10 years. Actually, ABC has had that slant for a very long time. CNN has ever since they forced out Bernard Shaw and brought in Aaron Brown. They constantly cow toe to the White House, while Fox blatently supports them and is a pure propaganda machine.
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:02 am

>>>And yes, I believe that their lies, misinformation, and agenda constitute propoganda.<<<

I tend to believe the new definition of, "propaganda", is an opinion that differs from my own.

I think the latest definition of, misinformation, is information not expounding my point of view.

What's ironic is the Hitleresque lack of tolerance by those pointing at others and accusing *them* of being Nazi-like.


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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:23 am

N1120a, let merespond...

==Sure he does, but he does not have a right to commit purgery and slander. He also does not have a right to sexually harrass someone==

Just like Michael Moore has the right to bend the truth and omit things, and Whoopi Goldberg has the right to spew hate at some event last year, and let's talk to Paula Jones/Monica Lewinski about harassment.

==Apparently you do (agree w/Ann Coulter)==

No, I don't. She scares me sometimes. She perpetuates the steretype that ALL Republicans are right wingers. I'm not. I'll listen to any point of view, right OR left.

==Yeah, right. Aside from Air America and Pacifica (both radio only) there is not a media outlet that is left tilted. That has been true for many years(Regarding slanted media)===

Two words: Dan Rather. All news is slanted, one way or the other. I like having choices. I don't deny the right of leftist media to exist, but on the same level, right wing media has a place to do what it does. If FOX is critized for doing it's job, then ALL news media should do just what Jack Webb used to say, and give, "just the facts".
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:18 am

M11,

One example, O'Reilly using misinformation to get his point across:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200501270010

He is on FNC, so that's one example. If you want, I can provide more.
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:32 am

In fact can any of you provide one single example where Fox News (the NEWS, not the commentators) has lied, spread propaganda, etc? Just one example, that's all I'm asking.

sure, their slogan, 'fox news, the only news channel with real journalism, fair and balanced'

if that's not lies and propaganda I don't know what is
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:34 am

I like FOX Radio News' slogan, much better. "We report/You decide!"

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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:38 am

"One example, O'Reilly using misinformation to get his point across:"

I asked an example involving the NEWS, and NOT COMMENTATORS. Try again.

"sure, their slogan, 'fox news, the only news channel with real journalism, fair and balanced'"

You got anything to back that up?
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:42 am

People who throw out the "Hitler Insult" at everyone with whom they don't agree just show how ignorant they really are. Usually those who accuse other of being like Hitler are actually the ones who are closer to Hitler.

sure, their slogan, 'fox news, the only news channel with real journalism, fair and balanced'

if that's not lies and propaganda I don't know what is


Of course in your mind CNN's slogan "The most trusted name in news" is totally truthful even though CNN has been losing views for the last 5 years and is approaching the bottom along with PMSNBC.
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:50 am

"sure, their slogan, 'fox news, the only news channel with real journalism, fair and balanced'"

You got anything to back that up?


yes... if you watch it you`ll see it before and after their ad breaks... when the voice over says 'fox news, the only news channel with real journalism, fair and balanced'

ok?
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:00 am

Propaganda is only effective if that is the only message that an audience is exposed too.

How can it be that Fox News or Rupert Murdoch are propagandists if the audience isn't forced to listen to it?

It is unfortunate that in the past fifty years American media in particular and world media in general has become more homogenized. Before then in America there was always a Democrat paper and a Republican paper. And events of the day were covered from differing angles depending on the point of view of the editorial staff.

Even today we still have the newspaper of the Communist party here in the US. Right and left wind parties have their own media outlets around the world.

Here in the US it is widely seen that the major TV networks have a left leaning bias. My problem isn't that they have the bias, my problem is that they refuse to acknowledge it. Why is it so hard for Dan Rather to say, "I don;t like Bush and I want him out." Sure he'd loose all the Republicans in the he audience but surely he'd gain Democrats.

Even Fox is guilty of this.

Facts are that you people only have a problem with news outlets that lean conservative. No one has mentioned Dan Rathers's reporting or Fahrenheit 9-11 as propaganda yet it was. But people could choose to ignore it and not let it affect their decisions or allow themselves to be persuaded.

I guess it comes down to how much faith you have in your ability to see propaganda for what it is. Some of you are clearly, very worried.

Comparing Murdoch to the tycoon in Die Another Day is just so childish that its actually funny. I suppose because Willard Whyte was supposed to be Howard Hughes we should worry about orbiting Laser platforms. James Bond movies are fantasy, so I suggest you get out of that fantasy world and join the real one.
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:04 am

"yes... if you watch it you`ll see it before and after their ad breaks... when the voice over says 'fox news, the only news channel with real journalism, fair and balanced'"

How bout something actually consequential? I'm only asking because I know you are full of it and won't find anything.
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:08 am

Tbar, the link you posted to is a left wing website that has a history of gunning for Foxnews.


Anyway I give a rats ass about Ted Turner or what he thinks. He is the prime example of how money corrupts.
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:48 am

Anyway I give a rats ass about Ted Turner or what he thinks.

...and I'm curious as to why anyone else would?

The dude has a history/talent for saying idiotic (and, as this example proves, often non-factual) drivel every time he opens his mouth. What else is new?
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:45 am

Turner also has a record from taking struggling businesses and making them massive successes. He succeeds at anything he does and puts his all into it. He may be hyperbolic sometimes (though not here, he was pretty much right on), but never doubt him.
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:31 pm

L-188,

Well I guess you can't trust them because they expose FNC lies, they must be lying and must have some sort of agenda.

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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:37 pm

" they expose FNC lies"

WHAT lies? Just post ONE. Anyone? I bet you can't find anything regarding Fox reporting (NOT commentary) to support your "anti-conservatives bias disguised as truth-in-media-crusade".
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:38 pm

Alright, I'll give you another example.

First, I'll post the websites mission statement, so that you cannot automatically discount what they have to say.

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FAIR, the national media watch group, has been offering well-documented criticism of media bias and censorship since 1986. We work to invigorate the First Amendment by advocating for greater diversity in the press and by scrutinizing media practices that marginalize public interest, minority and dissenting viewpoints. As an anti-censorship organization, we expose neglected news stories and defend working journalists when they are muzzled. As a progressive group, FAIR believes that structural reform is ultimately needed to break up the dominant media conglomerates, establish independent public broadcasting and promote strong non-profit sources of information.

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Now from their website:

http://www.fair.org/extra/0407/special-report.html

FAIR’s latest study of Fox’s Special Report with Brit Hume finds the network’s flagship news show still listing right—heavily favoring conservative and Republican guests in its one-on-one interviews. And, according to the study, Special Report rarely features women or non-white guests in these prominent newsmaker inter-view spots.

In previous studies FAIR has found that looking at a show’s guest list is one of the most reliable methods for gauging its perspective. In the case of Special Report, the single one-on-one interview with anchor Brit Hume is a central part of the newscast, and the anchor often uses his high-profile guests’ comments as subject matter for the show’s wrap-up panel discussion. If Fox is the “fair & balanced” network it claims to be, then the guest list of what Fox calls its “signature news show” ought to reflect a diverse spectrum of ideas and sources. FAIR has studied Special Report’s guest list on two earlier occasions (Extra!, 7–8/01, 7–8/02).


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So a channel that claims to be fair and balanced actually is not in their presenting of the news.
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:09 pm

"So a channel that claims to be fair and balanced actually is not in their presenting of the news. "

You've managed to "proove" that Fox has a conservative slant (duh); you, or anyone else, still have not shown one iota of evidence that they have lied.
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:43 pm

Fox News Correspondent Major Garrett lies about Senator Clinton's view on abortion.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200501260014

Hannity attributes CBO's (Congressional Budget Office) social security estimates to Democrats, despite it being a non-partisan organization.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200501210002

Coulter quotes NYT columnists out of context

http://mediamatters.org/items/200501210005

O'Reilly Lies about calling Boxer "a nut"

http://mediamatters.org/items/200501260007

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So you're going to say that these are commentators. Well these people are regulars on For NEWS Channel, and they need to be held to the same media accountability that got CBS into so much hot water.

Brit Hume? Hosts his own News show and has guests that lie on it, so he is accountable (or the management, whoever it is on FNC).

Sean Hannity? He hosts a news show, where they debate items on the news. He has to be held up to honest journalistic standards.

Ann Coulter? Please, don't even get me started on the lying bitch. She is a regular on Fox News and is a regular lier and misinformer as well. If Fox News wants her that's fine, but once she starts lying and taking stuff out of context, they should drop her like the used up rag that she is.

And last of course... Bill O'Reilly. He makes up statistics for his show, lies about stuff he's said in the past, and treats his guests like shit if he disagrees with them. His show is a regular on Fox News, and when he lies, it reflects highly on the channel.

So yes, I think the Fox News is guilty of lies and misinformation. Whether its news reporting (Brit Hume) or commentary (O'Reilly), it is very subtle but also very consistent, enough so that people cease to notice and care.
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:46 pm

I just love CBS news as an alternative...NOT
 
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:04 pm

PDX,

What is your main source of news information? Do you watch Fox News?
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:04 am

"So yes, I think the Fox News is guilty of lies and misinformation. "

Using your reasoning, every news station on earth is guilty of the same thing. Is there a news station that doesn't spread lies and misinformation according to you? Do they never have guests? According to you, any news station/show that has had a politician on the show is just as guilty as Fox of lying and misinforming. You only single out Fox because it's conservative.
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:17 am

Ted Turner? Gimme a break! He's indeed a sore loser. He's quite aware that his beloved CNN is losing big time against Fox News. Check the ratings if you don't believe me.

PS. I know Turner doesn't own CNN nowadays. But I'm sure it's still painful for him to see them losing the ratings war.
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:47 am

M11,

According to you, any news station/show that has had a politician on the show is just as guilty as Fox of lying and misinforming.

Don't twist around my words, I didn't say that a news station having guests on their commentary shows means they're lying. You're starting to sound desperate. Rather, why don't you address my last post for what I wrote.

Now...

I'm not saying other stations are innocent of misinformation, its just that its so much worse on Fox News. I'm of the opinion that their misinformation is deliberate and to the point of propogranda.

Why am I attacking them? Not because they are conservative. But because they spread conservative misinformation. Misinformation is the key word, not conservative. If it was "liberal" misinformation, I would be just as upset. Here, for example, PBS censored a show because it deemed lesbian mom's "innapropriate".

http://www.fair.org/activism/pbs-buster.html

How can you not hold FNC up to higher standards? If you like the station, then you should demand that they present the truth to their audience. You should demand that their commentary shows not spread lies (Hannity, O'Reilly) but rather promote honest opinions and honest debate on topics. If they are truly "fair and balanced", then you they should have fair and balanced viewpoints on their shows.
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:21 am

"Don't twist around my words"

Nobody twisted your words. I asked for an example of Fox "lying" and you gave one citing that its guests lie and saying the network is accountable:

"Brit Hume? Hosts his own News show and has guests that lie on it, so he is accountable (or the management, whoever it is on FNC)."

"How can you not hold FNC up to higher standards?"

I universally expect crap from television media whether it's Fox or Public Access.
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:18 am

Turner also has a record from taking struggling businesses and making them massive successes. He succeeds at anything he does and puts his all into it.

He's doing an awesome job of turning AOL TimeWarner into a success. He was the one person that could have nixed this ridiculous deal but was blinded by Steve Case and the AOL crew. If I remember correctly he called the deal just as good as losing his virginity, or something just as ludicrous as his latest Fox comment.
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RE: Turner Compare Fox W Hitler!

Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:32 am

I universally expect crap from television media whether it's Fox or Public Access.

Well that's a shame, I think you should expect more from the sources of your news. And if you do see that they promote misinformation, then you shouldn't watch it anymore.
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