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Whats Wrong With These People?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:15 pm

Sorry if this is already being discussed eh.



Well how these people can sleep at night I'll never know...

Just a few minutes ago I was listening to the news on the radio. They were talking about same-sex marriage and they had some stupid religous dude saying that all churches in Canada should try and stop the same-sex marriage thing and went on to say same-sex marriage is not a human rights issue. Did anyone else hear that?? Crazy stuff, as I would say "human rights issue" is a pretty good way to discribe what it is. Plus why is the church even getting into this? It's civil unions that this is all about, so if the church people don't want to accept that we are people too then they can go hide in their little corner and be done with it.

It must be something else to be able to sit down and read some book written thousands of years ago and base everything you say and do on what the book tells you to.



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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:55 pm

It's not a human rights violation towards him personally so he isn't worried. Sadly some people feel it their duty to spread bigotry. It is hateful & really not 'Christian' in the truist sense of the word. After all, "what would Jesus say?"
It sounds like the same inane claptrap a Businessman...oops sorry 'Religious leader' in NZ called Brian Tamaki would say. Incidentally he was televised on the main US Christian Network (whatever it is called) spouting the same kind of bull to 35 million worldwide. Did anyone in the US see him?
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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:05 am

It's a moral issue.
It's wrong to teach our children that they came to this earth because 2 men or 2 woman made love.
I am a church person and don't need a little corner to go and hide because i believe what "that book" teaches.
If anybody needs to hide, it should be those setting a bad example for our (my 3) childeren but that does not appear to be their priority.

(btw - there is nothing wrong with me)
 
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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:10 am

For some it may be a moral issue, however the term "moral" is pretty subjective. Whose morals are we going by? However IT IS a human rights issue. When you have a right (Marriage) given to one group of people (Heterosexuals) and not given to another (Homosexuals) purely based on an inborn quality, (Sexual Orientation) it is a rights issue. Plain and simple.

"it should be those setting a bad example for our (my 3) childeren"

Who is setting the bad example? Homosexuals?

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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:18 am

If anybody needs to hide, it should be those setting a bad example for our (my 3) childeren but that does not appear to be their priority.

You're the one setting a bad example to your kids. Let them see the real world, we're not all born heterosexuals... Deal with it...

(btw - there is nothing wrong with me)

I think you're  Nuts... but then again, you're from Alberta...
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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:24 am

Its about time the church realised that we are gay and we are here to stay, if some frustrated Vicar , Bishop or whatever cant handle it , then get over it. At least we do not go round banging on peoples doors trying to preach our way of life the way some church groups do.
As for setting a bad example for kids what about drunken fathers and the wife basher's do they set a good example for kids?
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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:28 am

As for setting a bad example for kids what about drunken fathers and the wife basher's do they set a good example for kids?
Good comment Malb777. Let's not forget the ridiculous divorce rate in North America... Is that a good example?
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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:40 am

"but then again, you're from Alberta..."

What does that have to do with it?

 
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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:46 am

What does that have to do with it?

Alberta is the least progressive province in Canada. For most Albertans (around 3/4), gays=devils... Just look at the PM (Klein is it?), he's as scary as Bush.
I'm just trying to say that Yegmaster's comments dont surprise me because he's from there... that's all.
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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:27 am

I am not originally from Alberta, I was born and raised in of the most liberal countries in the world.
I live in Alberta because i believe this is the best place to raise my childeren.

"As for setting a bad example for kids what about drunken fathers and the wife basher's do they set a good example for kids?"

Nobody is saying they are (i'm certainly not) but that's not what this topic is about.

"You're the one setting a bad example to your kids"

Don't tell me how to raise my childeren.
 
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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:30 am

" ... It's wrong to teach our children that they came to this earth because 2 men or 2 woman made love ... "

Who ever said that was even being suggested? Gay marriage is not about what to 'tell' children. It is about human rights for everyone - and equal protection under the law.

Anyone who is whining about the 'sanctity' of marriage needs to really look in the mirror for a long time. What about the sanctity of humankind?

" ... I am a church person and ... "

Please. That is exactly the problem. You can go to your 'church' 5 times a week and parrot their rhetoric about homophobia all day long. And it doesn't place you one inch closer to God than any of the rest of us.


Quit patting yourself on the back for going to a building and reciting a few obligatory prayers. Examine what is in your heart and ask yourself who appointed you to define morality for anyone.

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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:43 am

I am not patting myself on the back at all.
The person who started this topic suggested that i take myself and go sit in a corner because of my opinion. and i refuse.
I never said that whatever i do or say is right either it's just what i believe.

Canadianorth says : "We are people too"

Who says your not, just don't be so upset if some folks out there may or may not agree with certain moral/human rights issues.

 
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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:49 am

Church is a place of worship. Church is NOT a license to justify one's hatred.

I don't pray much anymore, but I will tonight. I shall pray that none of your 3 children are gay because they if they are, it pains me to think what is in store for them from you.

Humanity and tolerance are unique things, and regardless of how many times one crosses the threshold of a House of God, it doesn't mean you've acquired those two qualities. More is the pity.
 
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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:25 am

Oh boy! It never fails to amaze me how intolerant organised religion is! "I'm a church person." And your attitudes show it - judgemental, and even delusional: "It's wrong to teach our children that they came to this earth because 2 men or 2 woman made love." This is new to me, and, I suspect, all of us.
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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:27 am

Last I checks most people do not get married to have kids, they do it because they love each other and want to spend the rest of their lives together. That and the government will give them special perks.

If a gay couple wanted to, the government will give them the finger, no pun intended.

In what religion is it a moral issue, all? I doubt it, seems like a christian issue; one where everyone assume you're either that or atheistic.

Moral my ass, some people simply do not like gays because they are gay.
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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:33 am

Once again, I direct everyone to the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which specifies the "human right" of marriage as between man and woman without designating any same-gender protection.

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:38 am

Isn't it ironic that the people who are the quickest to ask "What would Jesus say/do/drive/eat? etc" are usually the ones also least likely to themselves be practitioners of Christianity.

I'll leave it at that.
 
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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:42 am

matt, I'm a practitioner of Christianity. There's so many sick things I've seen my religion do that at times I've considered becoming a Buddhist.

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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:48 am

Oh I agree with you bro...there are is no shortage of charlatins and people with warped minds posing as "Christians" that give the true Christians a bad name.

What I'm talking about are the people who, while they are tripping over themselves to get all references to God removed from our country always manage to stop and ask "What would Jesus do?", which to me seems to be sort of irrelevant inasmauch as they don't believe in Jesus in the first place. So to them, what difference does it make?
 
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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:02 am

that is a little ambiguous Matt D. Who was that directed at? People who believe Christ's word to be the absolute truth, or people like me who were using the quote to point out that there is one rule for some, and another for the rest of us.
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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:09 am

Once again, I direct everyone to the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which specifies the "human right" of marriage as between man and woman without designating any same-gender protection.

Hmmm, yes, the world is well aware of what the current US government thinks of the United Nations....unless of course when it blends with it's own agenda. Gosh, isn't that what most people do when citing the Bible? They pick what suits them and dispense with the rest.
 
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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:40 am

It's wrong to teach our children that they came to this earth because 2 men or 2 woman made love.

Is anyone advocating that? This is the first I've heard. This really isn't a "moral" issue. Its a question of tolerance.

Christianity (and most organised religions) has long been guilty of gross intolerance. They wipe out any culture or group that doesn't strictly adhere to their "moral" model. Why should we expect them to be any more tolerant of the gay population?

 
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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:30 pm

"And your attitudes show it - judgemental"

Who did i judge? (i don't have that right)

That's a whole problem on it's own, the moment a christian expresses his or her opinion he or she is labelled to be judgemental. Maybe it's the otherway around.
O ja, a member of my church is gay and probably one of the nicest guys i ever met, we disagee on certain topics and agree on others but i have never judged him for who he is and he hasn't judged me either, it's not our buisness.
 
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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:49 pm

This is a very interesting discussion.

I truly believe this shouldn't be an issue. It is not the right of the government to decide on private issues with which I feel sexual orientation belongs. Sexual orientation does not constitute difference of species, and it makes me think of the declaration of Independence in my country.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

So isn't it the duty of the government to ensure that homosexuals have the same and equal rights as every other citizen of this country?

Matt D,

I am very confused by your statement, I don't know what it means or what its leading to.
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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:44 pm

"Alberta is the least progressive province in Canada. For most Albertans (around 3/4), gays=devils"

Want to back this up with some stats? Or will you continue being the ignorant one by generalizing 3/4 of AB's population?

Least progressive? AB citizens enjoy the highest standard of living in the country. We have the best medical system of all the provinces and our education scores the highest in the country as well. While I admit AB has more intolerant people than other provinces (same goes for Sask BTW) it's not some cesspool full of raging intolerance like I hear so many easterners on this board claim (which is funny because Yegmaster never brought up provinces, and I never hear other western users generalize easterners as passive nancy boys or anything).


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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:51 pm

Alberta isn't evil. Ralph Kline is.
 
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RE: Whats Wrong With These People?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:56 pm

Not all religious people are against gay marriage. The Bible teaches us to love and respect other human beings no matter what their differences. Besides all gays want is to have the same equal rights to marriage that you and I have. And if gays marry so what? How does that affect the average person ?
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