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Excellent Progress In Israel

Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:15 pm

- Palestinian Police control in Gaza
- Ramallah, Qalqiliya, Tulkarem, Jericho, and Bethlehem to come under Palestinian police control on Wednesday
- IDF stops targetted killings
- Numerous roadblocks and checkpoints to be taken down in West Bank
- Amnesty granted to West Bank fugitives
- Prisoner release deemed "acceptable" by Shaul Mofaz, except for prisoners who have killed Israelis
- Feb. 8 date set for Abbas-Sharon summit
- Withdrawal from Gaza set for this summer
- "Heavy influence of Hizbullah and Iran on terror groups in Nablus, Jenin and Hebron will delay the transfer of those cities" (Jerusalem Post)
- Mofaz hopes no IDF prescence in PA areas by end of the year

This is good, and there has been ten days of relative peace, which is a blessing for this area. I hope that the progress can continue. These little steps are what is necessary for both sides to regain trust in eachother.
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RE: Excellent Progress In Israel

Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:30 pm

Actually ... you mean "Excellent Progress in Palestine"?

And how long before Israel start to take credit for that?

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RE: Excellent Progress In Israel

Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:34 pm

I'm sorry, I must have missed something, but isn't the country called Israel? Right now, there is no country called Palestine. There's the Palestinian Authority, and there's the occupied Palestinian territories, but no "Palestine". Are you seriously trying to criticize me for the wording? Get a life buddy.

And nobody's taking "credit" for this, it is a joint effort. The IDF is withdrawing from areas and allowing the Palestinian police to take control. This is a trust issue, not easily done after four years of violence. I'm not even going to bother with the rest of the list.

I see nothing bad on that list, and I see no reason for you to criticize Israel in your post. Grow up.
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RE: Excellent Progress In Israel

Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:38 pm

If the country is Israel, why don't the Palestinians have the same rights as the Israelis?

Okay. The taking credit part of it was pure cynism on my side. Sorry.

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RE: Excellent Progress In Israel

Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:42 pm

Alright, thanks for the apology. Look, I'm not discussing the politics of rights between Palestinians and Israelis. All I saw now is that the Palestinians are not Israeli citizens, they are people of an occupied territory. That is why they do not have the same rights as Israeli citizens. Plain and simple. I do not want to discuss this further, if you want to start a thread about that then do so.

Now, what do you think about the recent activity/progress (whatever you want to call it) in Israel?

[edit] My apologies for the grow up and get a life comment, I was quite frustrated.

[Edited 2005-01-31 09:45:30]

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RE: Excellent Progress In Israel

Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:55 pm

It is a ray of hope that was overdue for a long time. Hopefully both sides can constructively work towards a solution - which will stop the hostilities and enable the common people to live without fear. Let's hope for the best.

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RE: Excellent Progress In Israel

Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:10 pm

Yes, it is good news. Hopefully there can be some strong steps by all involved towards long-term peace.

When we achieve peace between Israelis and Palestinians, we remove a hurdle for resolving problems in the rest of the Middle East.

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RE: Excellent Progress In Israel

Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:45 pm

yes it's a small step, but now the big problem lies with how the illegal settlers react to the Israeli govt's tearing down of the settlements of the west bank.
 
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RE: Excellent Progress In Israel

Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:23 pm

but now the big problem lies with how the illegal settlers react to the Israeli govt's tearing down of the settlements of the west bank

No. The big problem lies in whether Abbas will actually dismantle terror groups. Because if he doesn't, then there will be no pulling back of settlers from the West Bank.
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RE: Excellent Progress In Israel

Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:55 am

"but now the big problem lies with how the illegal settlers react to the Israeli govt's tearing down of the settlements of the west bank"

- It's mostly Gaza that will see the dismantling of settlements
- As for the settlers, Sharon can do to them what he did to Sinai peninsula settlers in '82


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RE: Excellent Progress In Israel

Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:03 am

Actually ... you mean "Excellent Progress in Palestine"?

And how long before Israel start to take credit for that?


There is no Palestine yet. It's still a wish. Until then, it seems most the moves are being made by Israel, not the Palestinian authority. I am satisfied, so far, with the words and intentions of Abbas, as they're long overdue, but there's a long way to go. And Damric, everything that was mentioned are things ISRAEL is doing, so the thread is appropriate.

but now the big problem lies with how the illegal settlers react to the Israeli govt's tearing down of the settlements of the west bank

No. The big problem lies in whether Abbas will actually dismantle terror groups

Actually, BOTH, in my mind, are vital. Already we see those in the settlements protesting, but in the long run, it'll have to be tough cookies for them. If Israel is to have peace, then many of these settlements have to go. Many are in those settlements for one reason-to stick their collective tongues out at the Arabs, and that will not do.

Conversely, so far, Abbas is saying the right words, and leaning towards the right policies, but they're still words. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and he has to show he can follow through with his wish to end the terror attacks on Israel.
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RE: Excellent Progress In Israel

Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:16 am

Actually, BOTH, in my mind, are vital. Already we see those in the settlements protesting, but in the long run, it'll have to be tough cookies for them. If Israel is to have peace, then many of these settlements have to go. Many are in those settlements for one reason-to stick their collective tongues out at the Arabs, and that will not do.

Absolutely they are both vital. However, there is no way Sharon can remove settlements while under attack. I'm more worried about the settler removal from the Gaza Strip.

In the Gaza Strip, Sharon is going to remove the settlements one way or the other. If Abbas cracks down on terror, then it can be a coordinated withdrawal. If Abbas can't/won't, the IDF is going to have to launch a major anti-terrorist operation in Gaza before Israel pulls out. And that will be messy.
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