saintsman
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C130 Crash In Iraq

Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:54 pm

Before I begin, this tread is definitely not intended to start any flame wars.

I heard a theory this morning that the aircraft could have been shot down by mistake by American forces. I think it is highly unlikely.

But, there was a very nervous atmosphere yesterday in Iraq. The RAF aircraft was approaching an unfamiliar base. Was there a communication problem (IFF or otherwise). Did some commander on the ground not want to take a chance and gave the order to take it down?

I think that the most likely scenario is enemy fire but mistakes have happened before. I would have thought that there is no arial threat in Iraq so would there be a need for coalition forces to shoot anything down?

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RE: C130 Crash In Iraq

Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:06 pm

Let's see what the investigation turns up.

Without any facts, we're only speculating.

Condolences to the family members of those killed.
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RE: C130 Crash In Iraq

Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:07 pm

How can someone shoot down a C-130? Is it possible to shoot down a large aircraft like that with, say, a shoulder-launched stinger missile?

I think it is possible that the aircraft was downed by friendly-fire...if it was shot down in the first place.
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RE: C130 Crash In Iraq

Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:25 pm

How can someone shoot down a C-130? Is it possible to shoot down a large aircraft like that with, say, a shoulder-launched stinger missile?

Springbok,

Its entirley possible, if the missile hits the right spot. Possibly the cockpit, wing roots, knocks the horizontal stabs or tail off, hits a fuel tank and the fuel goes up, etc.


I think we just have to wait and see.
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RE: C130 Crash In Iraq

Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:47 pm

I just read that Ansar al-Islam have taken the blame for the crash. They claim that the plane was passing low, and they were able to shoot it down using an anti-tank missile. They also say that thanks to god, the plane was hit and fell to the ground engulfed in flames and black smoke.

This has been posted on an islamic website.

It has not been confrimed from anyone though.

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Banco
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RE: C130 Crash In Iraq

Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:53 pm

Hardly unusual that an extremist group would try to take responsibility.

Let's wait for the investigation. No point speculating or pre-judging it.
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RE: C130 Crash In Iraq

Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:18 pm

OK, so who, apart from the Coalition would be flying a Hercules in the neighbourhood of Baghdad? Why should any aircraft need shooting down by "our side" if only our aircraft are there????
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RE: C130 Crash In Iraq

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:33 pm

Unlikely tobe Friendly fire incident.The Terrosist dont fly C130s.
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Banco
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RE: C130 Crash In Iraq

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:43 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4226213.stm

Names have been released.

The curious thing is what a British C-130 was doing north of Baghdad. The British sector is a heel of a long way away, so the presumption has to be that it was some form of special operation.
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RE: C130 Crash In Iraq

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:49 pm

Banco,

AFAIK, the runways at Bagdad airport face in north-south direction, so the plane could have taken off northways, based on local winds.

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Banco
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RE: C130 Crash In Iraq

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:56 pm

No, Jan. It was flying to one of the US bases in the north of the country. That's why it has created speculation, there aren't any British forces (officially) there.
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RE: C130 Crash In Iraq

Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:21 am

Banco,

AFAIK, the runways at Bagdad airport face in north-south direction, so the plane could have taken off northways, based on local winds.

Jan
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Banco
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RE: C130 Crash In Iraq

Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:50 am

Er. Are you OK, Jan?  Confused

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RE: C130 Crash In Iraq

Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:55 am

Sorry, my computer had a hiccup. It got stuck and must somehow transmitted the text again.

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RE: C130 Crash In Iraq

Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:06 am

Banco, you have finally proven it. The Germans are just robots after all  Big grin
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GDB
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RE: C130 Crash In Iraq

Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:25 am

I know someone who works at RAF Lyneham, but it seems untoward to start bombarding him questions about the loss of people he may have well known.

From the Military Aviation page;
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/military/read.main/27259/
 
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RE: C130 Crash In Iraq

Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:26 am

There is a video out of the missle being fired at it. Release by Al Jezeera.

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RE: C130 Crash In Iraq

Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:37 am

That was what I was referring to, in my previous post, looks like a crude ground to ground rocket, fired in a most unusual way for a SAM, the whole footage looks to be a patchwork job of (save the actual wreck) unrelated other incidents, plus you have several groups all claiming they did it.

Might well have been a SAM, but the footage released by insurgents is most unconvincing.
 
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RE: C130 Crash In Iraq

Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:37 am

BBC have said the aircraft was XV179, a C130K.
Between 1980-85, 30 of the then 60 odd C130K fleet were lengthened to -30 standard, this aircraft was not one of them, as well as being employed by the Special Forces Flight it may have had an ELINT role too.
The C-130K's were delivered in the mid/late 1960's, some have been retired, replaced by C-130J's in more recent years.

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