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keesje
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Success Of Airbus Symbolizes Vibrant, United Europ

Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:06 pm

Please don't take it to seriously  Smile I think we are far from "one united Europe"..

The A380, the behemoth airliner rolled out recently by the Europeans, is not just about Boeing.

The Airbus Industrie's mammoth jet is really all about Europe.

And Americans who have made fun of "the old Europe" — Donald Rumsfeld comes to mind — sooner or later must wake up and smell the fondue.

Increasingly, there is no "old Europe" or "new Europe." There is simply one Europe, and it is rapidly surpassing the United States in areas where we have long dominated.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002167360_floyd02.html



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RE: Success Of Airbus Symbolizes Vibrant, United Europ

Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:12 pm

Notice how BAe Systems refused to sign up to EADS?  Laugh out loud

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RE: Success Of Airbus Symbolizes Vibrant, United Europe

Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:19 am

Hey, cheesy Fondue is still Swiss, and we're not part of the EU  Nuts

Well, we still made some parts, I think something in the wing, slats, or the thing holding the flaps or whatever... Nobody cares anyway, but It's still nice to be part of it (like I ever made anything except  Smokin cool

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RE: Success Of Airbus Symbolizes Vibrant, United Europ

Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:27 am

One could also argue, as our favorite crazy uncle Mike Boyd has done, that Airbus' A380 is entirely about ego and not market economics at all.

Just as was the case with the other "European" project--the Concorde.

Personally, I think the manufacturing efficiency in building that behemoth is a disgusting waste of resources--the logistics of it all is grossly inefficient and costly. But that's what you have to do when you're one big happy family.  Smile
 
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RE: Success Of Airbus Symbolizes Vibrant, United Europ

Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:43 am

I sent this letter to the Times about McKay's column; I'm not sure if it was published or not.


Floyd McKay’s Feb. 2 column could not have been more perfectly timed. On the same day, Germany announced that unemployment reached 5 million for the first time since the 1930s. Its unemployment rate is hovering near a post-war high of more than 12%, a level that would incite riots in this country. France’s labor market is so weak that in 1998, it reduced the legally mandated work week to 35 hours in an attempt to force companies to hire. The move was a disaster and is in danger of repeal. Economically speaking, Old Europe is looking more geriatric than ever.

Airbus’s current success has come at tremendous cost. In the 1960s, France and Britain spent more then $20 billion (adjusted for inflation) on Concorde. They sold just 14 of the supersonic jets and stuck taxpayers with the bill. This arrangement planted the seeds for Airbus’ birth, but in its first six years of existence, the four-nation consortium delivered only 60 planes. Without massive subsidies, Airbus would have died quietly in the early 1970s. But it tried and tried again, with government financing of course, and on its third attempt finally produced the successful A320 in the mid-1980s.

Airbus has been a “success” because it has not been held accountable for its mistakes. Whenever an Airbus plane failed to sell, its government sponsors simply patted it on the head and signed the check for the next model. Boeing, by contrast, put its very existence on the line with every new jetliner. As for the A380 super-jumbo, if I had risk-free access to other people’s money, I could build a really big airplane, too. If, like Mr. McKay, you think this sounds great, the Seattle Times has my mailing address. No CODs, however.


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RE: Success Of Airbus Symbolizes Vibrant, United Europ

Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:44 am

One could also argue that Slider is just jealous - along with the rest of the Boeing cheerleaders. Time to get over it.
 
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RE: Success Of Airbus Symbolizes Vibrant, United Europ

Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:53 am

I'm curious, does the average European care about what is going on with Airbus? I say this because most Americans are too self-absorbed to care about what Boeing is doing. They probably won't even blink an eye when the 7E7 rolls out. Maybe it's because we're force to look at Space Shuttle launches and rovers landing on Mars, that airplanes aren't a big deal anymore.
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RE: Success Of Airbus Symbolizes Vibrant, United Europ

Fri Feb 04, 2005 9:05 am

I'm curious, does the average European care about what is going on with Airbus?

Definitely not. There was a special report about the A 380 rollout but I doubt that many people saw it because it got broadcasted at 11am on a weekday, nearly everyone was at work at this time. Furthermore is nobody paying attention to planes except of aviation freaks like us.

As I wrote in another thread a few weeks ago, it is totally beyond me that people here still start/argue in this utterly childish Airbus vs. Boeing threads. Both are making good planes! Airbus created a lot of jobs in the USA (I have to go on a business trip to the USA to visit one of our "spare parts store" in March) and Boeing created a lot of jobs in Europe. We should be glad that these companies are operating worldwide instead of bashing them with childish third grade arguments.

Furthermore I really enjoy to fly on airplanes of different manufacturers, it would be really boring to fly again and again on types of the same company. When I plan a trip I try to integrate as many aircraft types as possible!

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RE: Success Of Airbus Symbolizes Vibrant, United Europ

Fri Feb 04, 2005 11:30 am

Patrick, I would feel very comfortable saying that the average citizen in the US doesn't really pay attention to the daily happenings at Boeing either.

Just us aviation geeks.


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RE: Success Of Airbus Symbolizes Vibrant, United Europ

Fri Feb 04, 2005 12:12 pm

Patrick, I would feel very comfortable saying that the average citizen in the US doesn't really pay attention to the daily happenings at Boeing either.

And I'd second that bet and bump it up a notch - the average American wouldn't know a Boeing from and Airbus from a McDonnell Douglas . . . it's a plane, that's all they know . . .
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