Matt D
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Exercise And Diet Questions

Thu Feb 03, 2005 10:46 am

WARNING This topic contains some blunt and possibly crass questions. If you are easily grossed out or offended, back out now.

Some questions for you bodybuilders out there:

I recently abandoned my gym membership due to the fact that I just wasn't going anymore. It was getting to be a real drag. I did try to go for the occasional walk and swim, but I felt that it just wasn't enough.

So I went out and decided to buy some home gym equipment on the theory that 1) I could work out at home-thus shooting down the "convenience" excuse, and 2) a good set of weights, racks, and benches would cost about the same as a down payment and a year or two at any gym. But after that time, I would be money ahead since I can keep the stuff forever.

Anyway, along with it, I took a trip to GNC for supplements. After talking to a few of the clerks, they recommended that I start out with Animal Pak vitamin cocktails, Xenadrine for energy, and Metrex for protein to add mass. I explained that my goal is not to necessarily lose weight (I am 6' 3" and 225 ± a few pounds) but rather, to tone up, seeing as I have developed a bit of a gut. Nothing major, but I see these lardasses all the time in the trucking business and I sure as hell don't want to end up like that. Plus, I actually care about how I look. And I figured I'd better do something about it while I'm still relatively young.

But I digress. Anyway, here are my questions:

1. I am a realist. I know I am not going to go from soft belly to washboard overnight. These things take time and discipline. I have set a goal of having either no or a very small gut, at least 2 pants sizes smaller by June. How much time PER DAY is good doing various sets of weights and crunches? I've been told to do "whatever is comfortable", and for at least the first month or so, only every other day until I build up some resistance and stamina. So I've been doing now, for about 2 weeks, about 30-45 minutes a day, every other day.

Is that sound advice, or am I delaying my goals that much more? Although I feel good and relaxed after working out, I don't feel like I'm doing all that I can. But at the same time, I don't want to get overly enthusiastic and over exert myself to the point that it's counterproductive-and subjecting myself to more harm than good.

2. The supplements I started with. Is that a good choice? I take 3 of the Xenadrine tablets in the morning (around 0315, then time I get in the shower) before I eat breakfast (usually around 0345). I take three more of them before lunch (around 1030). And I take a packet of vitamins with lunch. Finally, I drink, as per the directions, three rounded scoops of protein powder mixed with 16 oz. of milk after I work out.

Now here's where the crass part comes in.

Like clockwork, for about 3 hours, about 90 minutes after I finish the "shake", I am sh*tting my brains out. I will make at least 5 or 6 visits to the office. By the end of the night, my stomach feels like it's doing U-turns, my ass feels like I just received a habañero enema, and the normally soft Charmin feels like burlap.

I know I'm not lactose intolerant, because I eat a lot of cheese and ice cream, and drink about a gallon of milk every three days anyway. So it's GOT to be the protein stuff. It's only when I drink it.

Is that normal? Is it because my system isn't used to it yet? Or should I try a different brand?

3. I try and stick to a reasonably balanced diet: beef, chicken, milk, bread, pasta, fruits and a few veggies, and yes, a 16 ounce can of Coke at lunch and two Kellogs Chocolate Frosted Pop Tarts at night. And maybe on weekends, a treat to In-N-Out.

But there is no one thing that dominates my diet. I considered going on South Beach or Atkins, but I have my doubts: my aunt absolutely swears by South Beach. And yes, at 49, she could very easily pass for 35. But she ALWAYS, and I do mean ALWAYS has a cold or headache or something that won't go away. And she's absolutely terrified of anything sweet, greasy, or grainy.

I always thought that it's ok to enjoy a Big Mac or hot fudge sundae once in awhile-as long it's not DAY AFTER DAY.

Thoughts or suggestions?

And finally, about my smoking.....

well I know that on some level, trying to get in shape and look good while still drawing the Marlboros is somewhat of a mockery......

but step at a time.

Rome wasn't built in a day and nether will I......

...despite what the late night $19.95 diet informercials would have you think.

[Edited 2005-02-03 02:52:13]
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RE: Exercise And Diet Questions

Thu Feb 03, 2005 10:53 am

I will type an assload tomorrow, but for now I'll just type the biggest thing that came to my mind (I'm really tired)

Those GNC guys were just trying to sell you stuff, you don't need animal paks. You don't need Xenadrine etc. Not if you're just starting out lifting. They can help but the biggest thing for you to do is get in a routine and begin to understand your body and how it responds to certain things. Not to mention GNC is very pricey compared to other supplement places.

I will write much more tomorrow.
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RE: Exercise And Diet Questions

Thu Feb 03, 2005 11:04 am

Is it a whey-based protein you're taking? I've heard that it can cause bad reactions in people. Then again, the shake could just be too rich for your system.

If you're not taking it with a meal, it could be too much of a shock to your system, not to mention not the best thing for your blood sugar.

AA61Hvy knows his stuff, and since he's writing an "assload" tomorrow, I'll leave it to him.  Smile
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RE: Exercise And Diet Questions

Thu Feb 03, 2005 11:10 am

I'll look forward to his response when I check in tomorrow afternoon. As for the shake mix and whey, it doesn't say. So I'm assuming that it isn't. It does, however say that it contains no aspartame, whatever the hell THAT stuff is.
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RE: Exercise And Diet Questions

Thu Feb 03, 2005 11:35 am


I'm on more of a weight loss regimen since my gut has gotten big. What I'm doing right now is limiting my intake of carbs (especially simple carbs) but not too much as it can make you lethargic as time goes on, and eating more meats and vegetables. Right now I'm focusing strictly on cardio as no matter how many crunches I do, you won't be able to see it unless that gut is gone.

For the exercise i do about 40-45 minutes on either ellipticals, treadmills, or rowing machines. For running, I do it in intervals, so that way my body can burn fat more efficiently without me starting to go into the anaerobic breathing stage. Along with that, I make sure to take my vitamins and Metamucil for a fiber supplement.

As for your schedule, I know AA61Hvy knows far more than me, but I think all you really need from GNC might be the protein...if you aren't getting enough in your diet that is.

About your visits to the throne, I'm not sure but that doesn't sound normal to me. Maybe you should try another protein supplement or drop the protein until you really start deveolping muscle.
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RE: Exercise And Diet Questions

Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:30 pm

Aspartame is an artificial sweetener, which is said to possibly cause brain tumors if you consume to much of it. Dunno if that's really the case, but I try to stay away from it anyway.

I agree with Mdsh00, you're trips to the toilet definitely are not normal. Don't know if it's the brand of protein you're using, or your body not being used to it or what. I don't think it would be the brand, as Met-Rx is one of the leading sports nutrition labels out there. For my protein supplements, I use a brand called Optimum Nutrition. It's a powder you mix with milk or water and is a whey based mix. Are you sure you're protein doesn't say anything about whey? Most protein supplements usually contain whey protein as it is the most easily digestible form of protein.

My guess is that maybe you are taking to much protein at one time. How many grams are you getting in each of those 3 scoops? Maybe you should divide your intakes into 3 smaller doses spread throughout the day. You're kidneys can only handle so much protein at once...

As for your workouts, you need to make sure you are doing a good amount of weight lifting along with your cardio. Losing fat strictly from cardio actually isn't easy to do, so I hear. The more muscle mass you have, the more fat you burn. Simple as that. But I'll let AA61Hvy handle the rest, he seems to know his stuff.
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