dtwclipper
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:24 am


Great job US Military!

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A three-star Marine general who said it was "fun to shoot some people" should have chosen his words more carefully, the Marine Corps commandant said Thursday.

Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who commanded Marine expeditions in Afghanistan and Iraq, made the comments Tuesday during a panel discussion in San Diego, California.

"Actually it's quite fun to fight them, you know. It's a hell of a hoot," Mattis said, prompting laughter from some military members in the audience. "It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up there with you. I like brawling.

"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis said. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."





http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/03/general.shoot/index.html
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:29 am

Hehe...it's like a bumper sticker I saw the other day:

"Army: Travel to interesting places, meet interesting people, and kill them."  Laugh out loud
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:32 am

Why is this such a shock? The insurgents have no problem with shooting and beheading people. Why should we? We are there trying to give the good people life as we know it. Where they can enjoy life and walk down the street without fear of dying by explosion. Where they can vote and decide how their country is run, not be ruled by an evil dictator. Things we all take for granted. I suggest if you are not willing to go there and put your life on the line than don't make statements about the ones who are. Those animals have not showed us any mercy why should we?
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:35 am

Two wrongs make a right I suppose, eh?

Not that I'm showing sympathy for those cancers of humanity.
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:37 am

"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis said. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."


I wouldn't say it's fun but those pricks definitely deserved it!
 
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:38 am

Like they say in South Alabama: "Some people just need killin".  Big thumbs up

Granted, however, the General should have chosen his words a bit more carefully, knowing full well he was being interviewed.

I never considered it "Fun", but it was necessary . . . it is/was a you or me deal in combat . . . you better be faster, smarter, better than the other guy.
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:39 am

Well people shoot animals for fun right? When you deal with a person that is dehumanized...he is pretty much an animal.

Besides I am sure there is an adrenaline rush associated with shooting at "people"...I mean for goodness sake that is what they are trained to do.

I agree with DTWclipper here....great job US military, keep up the good work.



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Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:40 am

Like they say in South Alabama: "Some people just need killin".

 Big thumbs up That sounds like another good signature! Not better than the "Ass Whippings," one, though. I still laugh every now and then when I see that.
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:44 am

Well, if you have a legit reason....such as them trying to kill you, I can imagine itd be a "hoot". The adrenaline flowing through you must be insane. Besides, hes just being a Marine....thats what they do.


However, because he is a General in the United States Marine Corps, perhaps he could have not been so rash about it, not that I have a problem with it though.

In all honesty, I just say hoorah, keep it up.

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Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:51 am

You don't become a three star general in the finest fighting force in the world by not enjoying killing the enemy.

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dl021
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 11:25 am

THis is one of the PR issues. We don't want to appear to be bloodthirsty killers, but when we are among those like us we tend to speak a little more literally.

I would like to know whether, however, this General actually saw any combat the same way his troops/Marines saw it. We are at a point with out military where our senior commanders have not seen alot of individual combat the way we were 10 years ago. Up to the 1990's leadership from BN up to Corps level was well seasoned with men who had served tours on the line in Vietnam, but during the 70's and 80's, when much of our senior leadership was coming up through the officer and NCO corps there was not the opportunity for this. So what they don't have is direct personal experience with longterm exposure to combat and the effect on troops.

Over the last 10 or 15 years we have had the opportunity to season our company and field grade officers and NCO's but the top level guys lack the direct contact their juniors have had. This can not help but affect the understanding of many of these officers. Some will feel the urge to keep up appearances and talk tough, a few will be the real deal and be able to say these things from experience.

So if this guy is speaking from experience, then all he needs is a better sense of public decorum. I completely understand the urge to erase people who are murderers and monsters, which describes most of our enemies. If he was talking out of his 4th point of contact then he needs to STFU and recognize that his troops/Marines will know the difference between talk and walk.
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 12:44 pm

Though what this General spoke of was clearly a poor choice of words, I would much rather have his type defending people than some limp wishy washy "oh we have to coddle these enemies and offer them petunias as a gesture of our sympathy and kindness".

Marines everywhere should thank this General for his leadership and his mindset. As was said you don't get to be a three star for not wanting to kill your enemies.

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Fri Feb 04, 2005 12:50 pm

Who the hell had the balls to put this guy in front of the microphone, bad choice.
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 12:55 pm

Well people shoot animals for fun right? When you deal with a person that is dehumanized...he is pretty much an animal.

...technically, he's an animal regardless  Laugh out loud
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 1:06 pm

One word about this guy: Jackass. 'Nuff said.
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 1:34 pm

I didn't realize generals were fighting on the ground too... is this normal or at General Mattis' request? I thought generals would be commanding our forces in some bunker in Kuwait.

Wouldn't the enemy be very enticed to take out a commanding Officer? Or are commanding officers not symbolicly recognized on the fields (i.e. no obvious ranking decorations)?

I agree with 787, Generals of Mattis' mindset are necessary for our continuing success on the ground, otherwise he would have joined a monastery.
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 1:39 pm

Concorde got me....

Falcon why is he an ass?
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 1:44 pm

How can you justify someone who says that? How would you react to someone saying "it's fun to kill americans"?
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 1:52 pm

James if you can't figure out why he's a jackass, then you're beyond help. Read his words. He's a jackass.

If you can't see that, what's that make you?

Unbelievable.
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MD-90
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 2:11 pm

Wars and the military culture produce people like this. Why is anyone surprised? Why do you think that the founding fathers urged the US to have no standing armies, but rather citizen militias to protect the nation?
 
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 2:25 pm

I think Concorde hit it on the head.

You don't murder animals you kill them.

The fact that there are significant people who are afraid of de-humanizing the enemy in this war is a major source of setbacks for the coalition.

For the Islamic Terrorists that has not been a problem. We are all infedels.
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 2:32 pm

Oh yes killing people is fun. Check out all the fun these soldiers are having after killing the parents of five Iraqi children as their parents ran into a US checkpoint.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/05/middle_east_shooting_in_tal_afar/html/1.stm
 
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 2:34 pm

"James if you can't figure out why he's a jackass, then you're beyond help. Read his words. He's a jackass.

If you can't see that, what's that make you?

Unbelievable."

Sheesh...if you can't explain it just say so.

I read his words, I thought he could have chosen a better way to convey his thoughts...but I can certainly understand the adrenaline rush that must come when faced with the decision on whether or not to kill someone. Especially if that someone is a piece of shit and would do you harm.

There is a video out there, not sure where to find it...but anyway this guy is laying down some fire with his AK-47 when he is...let's just say vaporized by a tank shell. What do you think the tank gunner was thinking?
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 2:42 pm

What do you think the tank gunner was thinking

I've seen the video - Want an an old "tanker's" opinion on that.

Him or me, or him or my fellow troops - that simple. If he had the time to think instead of simply reacting. I would have done the same.

And he (the gunner) damn well better have been shooting at a "hard target" such as the wall behind the guy, or a heavy gun emplacement because the Geneva Convention precludes striking ground troops with cannon rounds unless armed with a .50 cal or larger weapon.
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 2:59 pm

Yeah...I think the wall disappeared too.

"Geneva Convention precludes striking ground troops with cannon rounds unless armed with a .50 cal or larger weapon."

That is an interesting provision that I was unaware of. What if you have nothing else at your disposal?

Have you seen the one where the guy kneels down with the RPG and then takes several rounds as he falls dead?
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 3:26 pm

If he joined the army cos he likes to kill people then send hm back home and get him to play KILLZONE all day.
If he joined the army to kill people to protect his own then its a different story.
The army/navy/RAF qhoever dont shoot people for "fun", they do it because its their repsonsibility to protect our countries against terrorists and hostiles, I hope this guy realises its not a game he's in, he himself could get shot one day..would be so "fun" then would it, often than not in life theres no "replay" button when things go wrong as they can and will do.
It just gets to me that people see the army as a way of wanting to kill people without realising why there doing it.
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:04 pm

Guess he wanted to sound amusing but used the wrong words.
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:28 pm

"Geneva Convention precludes striking ground troops with cannon rounds unless armed with a .50 cal or larger weapon."

That is an interesting provision that I was unaware of. What if you have nothing else at your disposal?


Actually I think that prohibition goes down to using M60/M249 on troops.

That is why when you shoot you are aiming at their equipment.
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:39 pm

I'm speaking strickly from an Armor Crewman perspective, I never was a ground pounder. And I only have either the ball buster or my machine guns at my disposal.

Essentially, there aren't too many ground troops gonna be humping a .50 cal around . . . most ground pounders will be carrying a SAW, M16, etc. So there is no need for a cannon round, and it prevents - I forget the word - attrocities is close enough. Engage them with a .50cal if mounted in trucks, or 7.62mm coax. If you see a missile or other such armament, better use the .50 cal.

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Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:43 pm

Essentially, there aren't too many ground troops gonna be humping a .50 cal around

The lack of issue of .50 calibers is one of the great problems I saw in the service.

In the Battalion HHC I was assigned to as my first unit, we had exactly 2. One was assigned to the cooks, the other to the MP.

Anybody want to know why those convoys in Iraq aren't fighting back...this is why, the Army is too cheap to buy ring mounts for all of their Duece's and 5 tons. leaving drivers and shotgun riders only with their personal weapons to shoot back with out of the windows.
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 11:25 pm

The guy is a Marine, he has been trained since he joined to kill people and break things.

Maybe this guy hadn't been de-milled enough to put him in front of the media yet. Was it a poor choice of words? In front of the media, yes because everyone knows how they love to blow things out of proportion.

I don't see how the guy was an ass. As someone else said the enemy has no problem dehumanizing us. We shouldn't have problems de-humanizing them.

I guess we should now wait on Falcon84 or someone to tell us about how we should not de-humanize Osama Bin Laden.
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 11:42 pm

This guy is a Marine, he is an inhuman killer.

Would you say the same when an Iraqi is going through the streets of f.e. Chicago to kill every person who hurt his wife?

That was a racist comment and is outrageous - but I didn't expect to hear anything against the brainless Marine in this forum.
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dl021
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 12:01 am

The guy does not get to be a General officer if he is brainless. Inhuman killers do not get elevated in the US military, and to describe him as such is an incorrect bit of hyperbole. He used poor judgement in his word choice here, but to dismiss him as brainless and murderous is an easy way out of real discussion.

I still have not seen whether this is a real operator or a $#1t talker. Thats the really important question. Not really important for us but very much so for his troops and his superiors.
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:00 am

That sounds just as stupid as something from Fahrenheit 9/11. It was about "I like to listen to this song from my walkman when I shoot people".  Insane

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Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:31 am

guess we should now wait on Falcon84 or someone to tell us about how we should not de-humanize Osama Bin Laden.

It's not about dehumanizing a creep like OBL, Captoveur: it's about dehumanizing oneself, and becoming something alien to what is decent. That's what it's about.
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:33 am

This guy is a Marine, he is an inhuman killer.

Would you say the same when an Iraqi is going through the streets of f.e. Chicago to kill every person who hurt his wife?

That was a racist comment and is outrageous - but I didn't expect to hear anything against the brainless Marine in this forum.


So Number, if someone was beating up on your mother or wife, I guess you would probably want to invite them to dinner. Personally, I'd enjoy killing them myself. But hey, to each his own.
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:42 am

I agree with DTWclipper here....great job US military, keep up the good work.

lol, i think he was being sarcastic..
 
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:45 am

so a man slaps his wife for not covering his face, and it becomes rightful and ok to shoot that man? Sounds to me that slapping someone is terrorism when it needs to be, and the shooting of such a man is justified?

If this is the issue, let's shoot everyone that hits everyone else and call it fun....dear god.... there are just as many Americans that abuse their wives and women....for god's sake it's an act of MAN, not nations.
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 5:37 am

"And he (the gunner) damn well better have been shooting at a "hard target" such as the wall behind the guy, or a heavy gun emplacement because the Geneva Convention precludes striking ground troops with cannon rounds unless armed with a .50 cal or larger weapon."

I would think being vaporized with a tank shell would be a lot better of a death than being shot and slowly bleeding to death while choking on your own blood.

"If this is the issue, let's shoot everyone that hits everyone else and call it fun....dear god.... there are just as many Americans that abuse their wives and women....for god's sake it's an act of MAN, not nations."

I don't see any problem with shooting Americans that beat their wives, being that they are possessing weapons and are shooting at me. I don't think you will find many people in the US that don't think men who beat their wives should be beaten themselves. What can I say, I'm old fashion and believe in eye for an eye.
 
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 5:43 am

You are allowed to fire ammo larger than .50cal/12.7MM at EQUIPMENT.


Soldiers WEAR lots of EQUIPMENT.



and no, physical or emotional torture of ones spouse is not a commonly accepted practice, endorsed by law or religion here in the States
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ANCFlyer
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 5:48 am

I would think being vaporized with a tank shell would be a lot better of a death than being shot and slowly bleeding to death while choking on your own blood.

That does have it's advantages . . . I could tell you this story from Desert Storm - battle at the Basra airbase - about an Iraqi Major shooting his own surrendering troops, but I'm afraid that a) I'd get banned for life, b) Most of the folk on A-Net that are arm-chair soldiers wouldn't understand and c) I don't really want to start another flame war over Iraq. As I've said before, there's this saying in Southern Alabama; "Some people just need killin'" He qualified.

There was this joker that attacked my tank platoon with an AK-47 there. Kinda like the pelican and the frog cartoon - last act of defiance . . . we didn't kill him . . . couldn't, didn't have the heart . . . he was pretty funny though. Hell we couldn't even hear the rounds striking the turret inside . . . See, not all of us "trained killers" are heartless, unthinking, unfeeling warmongers . . . .

The General should have chosen different words. He has been admonished by the Commandant of the Marine Corps, which is tantamount to ending his career. There will be no further action taken against him. Poor choice of words.
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 5:53 am

I'll tell y'all a story, and whether or not it's very well received depends on the maturity level and the critical thinking skills of the respondee, but oh well, here goes.


My 10th grade US history teacher, who was not the typical state schoolteacher zombie, once told us a story about the KKK that she personally heard because her uncle was involved in it. There was a man who was beating his wife badly enough that her injuries were becoming obvious to people in the town. The men who were in the KKK decided to do something about. One night they put on their robes, and went as a group (15 people maybe?, I forget) to the man's house. The man was drunk as a skunk, but the guys who were in the KKK, that infamously evil organization, told him in no uncertain terms that if he didn't want to suffer himself, he'd better leave his wife alone and stop beating her.

The abuse stopped.



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Sat Feb 05, 2005 6:16 am

Maybe on Grand Theft Auto, I personally like running them over. Sometimes I like overkill, firing tank shells into a single unarmed person with a dog. Fun to watch them fly with full enabled physics in action.  Big thumbs up

Adrenaline rush is one thing, but it should never be fun to kill; its both a job and in one's own defense. If you love your job, well that is another thing, good for you.

>>"Why is this such a shock? The insurgents have no problem with shooting and beheading people. Why should we? "<<

So you want to be an insurgent now, to shoot and behead ppl? I think the idea is that we are better than them, if you agree then why should we reduce ourselves and our skills/knowhow to their level of stupidity? Ever try being the better man?

Say you are getting into a fight with another guy, I'm sure if he was gonna throw a punch you might as well hit him first and knock him out cold. I'd leave and not give him the opportunity. Say he had a weapon, different senario; i'd disable him so he may live to learn something. Killing him may make me feel better in the short term but nobody will learn damn thing, except that it felt fun to do it. Serial killers and convicted murderers think it is fun too, welcome to the club.

Wasn't the original purpose for creating the pistol (handgun) a peacemaker? What about the nuke?

Now we have terrorism; why can't we all be like them, why should they have the 'fun'? What if I wanna maim & torture ppl for what I believe are justified reasons too. What's up with that huh!? Gimme a tank, I want to overkill them b-otches! I'ma lay them f*ckers down, lol!






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Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:01 am

Is it just me or does anyone have a suspicion that the good General was speaking tongue-in-cheek? Hard to tell when quotes are separated from the main dialog. I wonder.

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Sun Feb 06, 2005 3:42 am

If that don't beat all.....

that old saw about how the Klan protected wives from their drunken husbands is trotted out every time some Klan apologist wants to try and polish their image.

MD-90...if you think that any supposed effort by Klan pukes, and I mean PUKES, does anything to atone for the bombings, lynchings, assassinations, church burnings, cross burnings, and other sundry felonies and abrogations of human rights perpetrated by the Klan then you are a desultory moron. However, I don't think that your'e stupid....so that leaves us to assume you are simply racist and one who endorses brutal behaviour. Because thats all the Klan was about, and today they are the same only more restrained because at their root theyr'e cowardly bullies who can't come out unless they have strength in numbers, which they no longer enjoy...thank God.

Lehpron....If you use a weapon in the military you are trained to shoot to kill, not to wound. Servicemembers are taught to aim center mass, and double tap. The reason is that you are not there to teach lessons, you are there to kill people and break shit on the way to possessing a piece of land for whatever tactical or strategic purpose some higher up has determined to be necessary to accomplish the orders of the President.
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 3:52 am

If someone was running around trying to kill me, I'd delight in shooting them too.

WTF is wrong with that?
 
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 4:04 am

Lehpron: Gimme a tank, I want to overkill them b-otches! I'ma lay them f*ckers down, lol!

A tank is a very effective weapon - especially an Abrams or a Leopard or a Centurion . . . and lets not forget the Merkava. It's also a very effective defensive position.

Lehpron: but it should never be fun to kill; its both a job and in one's own defense. If you love your job, well that is another thing, good for you.

It was never fun. It was however and us or them situation. In every instance, I used maximum available firepower to prevent it from being us . . . and I did love that job, all of it - not just the shooting part.

As I mentioned above in another post, not all of us "trained killers" are heartless, unthinking, unfeeling warmongers . . . . One must follow the "Laws of Land Warfare" (FM27-10) and the Geneva Conventions to the best of their ability while balancing the saving of lives of their own troops and the elimination of the enemy in the most efficient manner possible. If efficiency calls for a 120mm Smooth Bore Fin Stabilized Projectile, then so be it.
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RE: "It's Fun To Shoot People!"

Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:28 am

>>"If you use a weapon in the military you are trained to shoot to kill, not to wound."<<

And if you shot them square in the wrist, both sides, what could they do? And be sure the bullet has a tranquilizing agent in it so it wouldn't be torture.

>>"It was never fun. It was however and us or them situation. In every instance, I used maximum available firepower to prevent it from being us"<<

Then you are doing your job, and doing a good job wll get you promoted and you'll come home alive. That is life; not a video game where people enjoy shooting other ppl up, I don't care for the reason.

My reasoning is that once one considers it fun to kill, they will volunteer for the job to the extent that they can't get enough of the feeling of power, it won't be long before it is done just for the heck of it, for some kind of high...then cite nation security and protecting this great country as justification. Heck, I'm sure one or many Marines have already claimed that "they would have attacked us anyway."

Give some one too much power and they will abuse it, that is a fact.
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RE: "It's Fun To Shoot People!"

Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:33 am

Lehpron, perhaps I misunderstood your other post - we are in agreement on this point - once it becomes "fun" and one craves killing, in combat or otherwise, there is a problem . . .
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