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Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:48 am

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050204/pl_nm/politics_dean_dc_3

1 step forward - 2 steps back for the Democratic party!

The Democrats got their rear's handed to them this past time around, and now they go with somebody even more liberal?! This is definitely the wrong direction for the left.
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:56 am

This is definitely the wrong direction for the left.

Actually it is the best direction they could go in. Dean is such a kook that he will turn off even more Americans and insure the Democrats keep losing elections.

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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:59 am

The two posts above demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of politics.

People vote for a party with a direction, not the soft one-size-fits-all politics of Kerry Democrat Lite.

Giving the Democrats a vision and platform is just what the Republican Neo-Conservatives do NOT want. hand people a reason to vote for a candidate and they will vote. It's called leadership.
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:04 am

People vote for a party with a direction, not the soft one-size-fits-all politics of Kerry Democrat Lite.

Let me climb back in my chair from laughing. Kerry Democrat Lite? Dammit, I fell out of it again!  Laugh out loud John Kerry was more liberal then any other Senator! He even beat Senator Kennedy! Wow, that was a doozy.

Giving the Democrats a vision and platform is just what the Republican Neo-Conservatives do NOT want. hand people a reason to vote for a candidate and they will vote. It's called leadership.

I can assure you that Howard Dean is not that man. All it would do would cause even more fighting among the party members.
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:05 am

People vote for a party with a direction, not the soft one-size-fits-all politics of Kerry Democrat Lite


WTF??????????/

Kerry a moderate?
You have got to be kidding.

Great news for the Republicans, like B757300 said.

edit: Stowaway beat me too it.

[Edited 2005-02-05 03:06:30]
 
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:14 am

Again no comprehension of what politics is above.

Kerry was Democrat Lite. No firm policy platform, no reason to believe him. Too much trying to be all things to all people.

Candidates with a firm vision are the candidates who win elections. Even Ross Perot, with no party backing, scored well in 1992 because he had a firm vision and position. Funnily enough, so did Adolf Hitler. That same principle still holds. People vote for vision and leadership.

One day you people might wake up, take your partisan posturing heads out of your arses and look coldly at what politics is. If you can't accept the viewpoint of a non-involved outsider as being a valid overlook then you have nothing to contribute.
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:16 am

I'm not a democrat (no shit huh), and I'm not a Republican . . . could be tho.

But Howard Dean!?

Can't the democrats do any better than that? Talk about "back peddling".

Good for the Repubs . . . .

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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:21 am

Kerry was Democrat Lite. No firm policy platform, no reason to believe him. Too much trying to be all things to all people.

Sorry, friend. That policy of being wavy is not considered "Democrat Lite," but rather just "Democrat."  Big thumbs up

Again, good news for Republicans!
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:53 am

Late Christmas gift for the GOP? ...rather doubt that they could ask for more.  Yeah sure
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:58 am

Great, just great. And the Democratic party falls into a deeper hole than we are already in. What an idiotic move, truly idiotic.

It might be a while before we see the Democratic party with any true power in Washington.  Sad
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sat Feb 05, 2005 12:05 pm

Don't feel bad, Usairwys. The Republicans have to put up with Shwarzenager.
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sat Feb 05, 2005 2:46 pm

Thank you, God! All we need now is Hillary nominated for '08! I don't know what the Dems are smoking, but whatever it is it's got to be pretty strong. Only 25% of America wants a Dem party that's further left than it already has been represented as. I think that stat tells it all.
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sun Feb 06, 2005 5:12 am

All we need now is Hillary nominated for '08!

With Kucinich as a VP, and Sharpton as a campaign advisor  Laugh out loud
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:25 am

Oh please with this "Kerry is the most liberal" crap. That was just a tag with an arbitrary group of criteria concocted by the right to demonize the Democratic candidate. Ted Kennedy and many other senators are FAR more liberal than Kerry. Indeed, rather than being "too liberal," Kerry seemed to stand for nothing at all in his attempt to play to the center-right.

In retrospect I think the Dems tried too hard to find a candidate who was "electable" because he had no real policies. Dean may have alienated the right even more than Kerry, but then Bush alienates the left more than any other president in history. He also really attracts people because he seems to be direct. Dean has that. He has something Kerry never had: charisma. He gave people the feeling he was talking straight (because I think, overall, he was, more than most politicians).

In the end, Whitehatter is right. People voted for Bush or against him, not for Kerry. Dean may alienate people, but he also inspires people. That's a plus too.

I'd sary the jury is still out, but it may be good for the Dems, not bad.
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:54 am

Dean may alienate people, but he also inspires people. That's a plus too.

Especially when he decided to raise it up some octaves in his speeches right?  Laugh out loud And Idaho, and New Mexico, .... ARRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sun Feb 06, 2005 7:37 am

Again no comprehension of what politics is above.

Kerry was Democrat Lite. No firm policy platform, no reason to believe him. Too much trying to be all things to all people.

Candidates with a firm vision are the candidates who win elections. Even Ross Perot, with no party backing, scored well in 1992 because he had a firm vision and position. Funnily enough, so did Adolf Hitler. That same principle still holds. People vote for vision and leadership.

One day you people might wake up, take your partisan posturing heads out of your arses and look coldly at what politics is. If you can't accept the viewpoint of a non-involved outsider as being a valid overlook then you have nothing to contribute.


I don't think you understand American politics. That may well and all fly in England, but not here. The US is still very conservative. And the conservative movement is gaining more strength. Yes, a party needs a clear decisive vision of where it's going. The problem is, it all depends on how unified the rank and file of the DNC officers are. If they are as divided as they were in this last election with certain members trying to sabotage eachothers campaign, then the Democratic party will never win elections. Gay marriage is definatelya hotbutton issue that will alienate many in most areas of the political spectrum. The African-American population is very opposed to legalising same-sex marraiges. And the african-american vote in the republican column grew in the last election to 18 percent, up from 9. If the democrats keep making promises that they fail to deliver on, than they will lose that sector of their voting block. Howard Dean's ultra-left wing approach will not help the DNC's chances of bolstering the there presence. It will not be able to hide what they really are becoming. With wacko groups such as MoveOn.org, ACT, and the rest of the Kook fringe far left bomb-throwers proclaiming the seat of power in the Democratic party, they are unlikely to attract the moderate, to conservative Democrats. Howard Dean's nomination will bring nothing but chaos to the Democratic party. Whitehatter, don't chastise us about our form of goverment, unless you do know how it works.
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sun Feb 06, 2005 8:15 am

With wacko groups such as MoveOn.org, ACT, and the rest of the Kook fringe far left bomb-throwers proclaiming the seat of power in the Democratic party

Sadly, much of the same is happening in the GOP...

...just that Dobson, Falwell, Santorum, etc aren't making movies about it  Yeah sure
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sun Feb 06, 2005 10:36 am

Sadly, much of the same is happening in the GOP...

...just that Dobson, Falwell, Santorum, etc aren't making movies about it


True, I'll agree with that. There is one exception, many of the electorate of the conservative movement is united behind the party base as opposed to the Democratic Party's infighting.
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sun Feb 06, 2005 10:47 am

Did the Democrats not learn a thing? Or were they simply obliging the Republicans that were BEGGING them to elect Dean as chairman?
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:52 pm

The GOP could not have asked for a better gift from heaven.
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sun Feb 06, 2005 2:08 pm

1. From the inception of his campaign, Dean realized and harnessed the power of the internet and grass-roots support. While Dean made a fatal error by focusing too much on fickle younger voters, he likely won't make the same mistake this time around.

2. Dean is a Democrat of the "populist" breed. The bottom line is that the average American voter has both "populist" liberal and "populist" conservative views - the party will become a powerhouse yet again if Dems promote a strong (i.e., much less nuanced) populist agenda instead of being perceived as a weak and wishy-washy "centrist" derivative of the GOP agenda.

3. Dean can throw punches on most every issue, INCLUDING national security issues. This is of vital importance - in order for Dems to win, the perception that the GOP has a monopoly on making and keeping Americans safe must be utterly shattered. Dean will be able to put Dubya's balls to the wall on Iraq and other security-related issues - most Dems have been too timid, and those who blindly backed the president on security issues havent benefitted politically from it anyways.
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sun Feb 06, 2005 2:15 pm

those who blindly backed the president on security issues havent benefitted politically

Um . . . two words for ya:

Condi

Rice


Um . . . two more:

Donald

Dumsfeld


Both still employed.
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sun Feb 06, 2005 2:42 pm

Until the Democrats clean house and dump the Ted Kennedy,Howard Dean, John Kerry,Jesse Jackson's, Hillary Clinton,Al Sharptons and get back to what Democrats used to be with people like Harry Truman they don't stand a chance! Its to bad and a disgrace what the Democratic party has become!
 
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sun Feb 06, 2005 3:03 pm

"Its to bad and a disgrace what the Democratic party has become!"

I'll second that. I might could have voted Dem this time around but when Kerry got the nod, there was no way in hell. A liberal dem from Mass. Uh...no!!!And you are correct with your list. They should disassociate themselves with that group. I didn't vote for Bush this time, I voted against Kerry. Most of the time, I am a right winger, but if you are always flying right or left, eventually you'll spiral into the ground.
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Sun Feb 06, 2005 9:51 pm

"those who blindly backed the president on security issues havent benefitted politically

Um . . . two words for ya:

Condi

Rice


Um . . . two more:

Donald

Dumsfeld


Both still employed. "

Um, I was referring to DEMOCRATS who blindly backed Bush's security policies, not to the neocons who are taking a dump on everything the GOP used ot stand for.
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:05 am

There is one exception, many of the electorate of the conservative movement is united behind the party base as opposed to the Democratic Party's infighting.

No doubt, I wouldn't disagree with you at all on that.

Though still doesn't stop the kook fringe from gaining power/noticeability in the GOP just as much, if not more so, than the Democratic party.
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RE: Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman

Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:20 am

>>"Howard Dean Poised To Be New DNC Chairman"<<

Oooh, that...can't...be...good. I will always have memories of that yahoo screaming at people.
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