airbus3801
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:12 am

I don't think that it is right to just simply kill someone for what they did after they killed someone or did something terrible. What are you accomplishing? Most of these people in fact want to die because then they don't have to spend the rest of their life in prison.

I also hate the way some executions are done. The electric chair makes me sick! How could someone have the heart to watch someone be electricuted alive and have their eyes pop out. The gas chamber which is still sometimes used in I believe Nevada is like what the Nazi's did to Jews in WWII. Pushing someone into a chamber and having gas come out of a little nozzle, you can see the person in terror and having no place to go as they are consumed by gas. The only somewhat humane form of execution is lethal injection because the person is just put to sleep, but I just cannot justify the death penalty.
 
xjramper
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:24 am

Ok. I see your point. But, most people who kill in pre-meditated murders, don't think about what their punishment is going to be, because they plan it so they dont get caught.

Look at the data from the 1970s when they banned the death penalty. Crime went to an all time high. I mean, if I were to kill and the worst thing I would get is life in prison, that to me is a light sentence. The death penalty is a deterrent.

From what I have read, lethal injection is the most widely used, where the gas chamber and electric chair is used arbitrarily. However, arguing in your favor, it costs less to house a prisoner than killing the person. But still, would you want someone who committed murder have the chance of escaping and perhaps hurting someone you love? Food for thought.

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Klaus
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:27 am

No!

Apart from the obvious reasons: If innocence is only found out after the trial, you can release a prisoner, but you can´t resurrect someone who has been killed.
 
Danny
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:28 am

"The death penalty is a deterrent."

I'm not going to go either side just a fact: When Europe suspended death penalty the crime didn't change at all.
 
planespotterx
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:31 am

Hangings the worst form of "punishment" IMO, the victims left to gagg under a heavy-knotted rope and endure up to 15 minutes of agony, if the executioner is nice he'll either jump on your legs and drag you down so it makes the choking quicker, or youll be thrown from a height before the rope tightens (to break the neck.)
Either way hanging isnt a "clean" death, it takes minutes often for the victim to choke on his/her own vomit and blood, often the victim goes into a spasm-like state, twitching as the body fights for air, often you can hear the deathly chokes of the victim as the rope tightens round the neck.
usually what they also do is cut the throat after the movement has stopped, just to make sure he/she is dead.
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TWFirst
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:34 am

No. I do not believe the government can outlaw killing, but reserve the right to kill for itself.
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:40 am

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tbar220
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:42 am

Slamclick,

That was back in July 2004, people can discuss it again.
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KROC
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:43 am

Yes, I am all for it. When someone kills another person or other people they are not thinking about the lives they are affecting beyond their victims. Spouses, parents, siblings, kids, friends etc. Its a just form of punioshment based on the crime. If Joe Blow murders 3 people robbing a store...then if found guilty he should be killed as well.
 
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:46 am

No, I am against it.
 
TACAA320
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:47 am

Fifth commandment: "Thou shalt not kill". Period.
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TACAA320
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:49 am

"When Europe suspended death penalty the crime didn't change at all."

And in the U.S. is raising with it.
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SSTjumbo
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:53 am

Fifth commandment in its entirety actually translates into "Thou shalt not premeditavely murder an innocent individual." This commandment was likely instituted to stop human sacrifice which was prevelant in that society. Big difference between that and just killing. That said, I'm still against the death penalty as it only serves as a 1up system in my eyes. However, I'm for the use of deadly force against a criminal in action when it is the absolute last resort.
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gigneil
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:54 am

Yes.


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simo82
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:55 am

NO!

Agree 100% with Klaus and even if I was 100% sure that the prisoner is guilty I don't think that anybody has the right to kill!

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xjramper
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:56 am

Fifth commandment: "Thou shalt not kill". Period

Yes and there is a distinct separation of church and state.

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planespotterx
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:56 am

I know this is the modern day debate, but think about how much "lenient" we have become on the death penalty, the hangings I described before were often "dished" out for offences that were basically laughtable in todays modern age, i mean hanging a boy of 15 for stealing just 4 sheep?, or a boy of 11 for pick-pocketing in London.
its good to know weve come as far as we have in punishment in todays modern "society"..(god i hate that word society), but IMO death penaltys should be cast for ppl whove killed more than 5, i cant see the good in killing someone for "revenge" of a murder of a single person, thats not punishment IMO, if t was 5 people they killed then i'd understand.
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ConcordeBoy
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:03 am

I'm all for the Death Penalty...


...I'd also love nothing more than to see it applicable to DWI murderers  Angry
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NumberTwelve
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:09 am

The EU demands from a new member to stop death penalty. So Turkey is on the best way - hopefully they join the EU asap.

There are other countries who think death penalty is what their Religion says, f.e. Saudi Arabia or a "civilized" Country I don't want to talk about  Wink/being sarcastic
In this "civilized" country a senator gets applause when he says that he maximum thinks 90 seconds about an act of grace.

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xjramper
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:11 am

I'd also love nothing more than to see it applicable to DWI murderers

Amen to that Concorde Boy.

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Airlinerfreak
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:14 am

If the crime is witnessed by two or more people and he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, there should be a death penalty. Also what is the point they only execute how many a century??
 
whitehatter
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:17 am

Planespotterx

With hanging, done by the British Long Drop method introduced in the 19th century, the executioner can enter the condemned cell as the clock on the prison tower starts chiming for the 8 or 9am hour, and have the prisoner dead on the rope by the time the last note sounds. Strangulation only happens with executions which are not done to that system. It is by far the swiftest and most merciful way of execution.

The drop is calculated according to weight, height and musculature of the condemned prisoner. Correctly applied, it causes an instant dislocation and fracture of the cervical spinal cord, and this means death is virtually instantaneous.

The greatest practicioner of the method, Albert Pierrepoint, performed over 500 judicial hangings perfectly as Number One executioner. All that experience led him to conclude that capital punishment has never prevented one single capital crime.

So if it has no deterrent effect, what's the point?
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NumberTwelve
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:25 am

To be sarcastic I could say: We Germans learned from history.
To be sarcastic I could say: Turkey is more Human than countries who still have death penalty.
To be sarcastic I could say: USA, Iran, Saudi Arabia, China, an axis?

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theCoz
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:58 am

While "an eye for an eye" makes logical sense, I don't think an imperfect legal system should endorse such an absolute punishment such as death. So I say no.
 
daedaeg
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:17 am

This has always been a tough one for me. I certainly don't want innocent people mistakenly killed by the hands of their goverment. But on the other hand if my spouse, mother or sibling were murdered I'd probably want the killer to face that same fate. Once you've taken a life for no reason, you've basically relinquished your right to live. I particulary believe those who rape and kill children don't deserve to breath the same air as the rest of us.
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A332
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:19 am

Yes! 100% in favor of the death penalty... we just don't have it in this country!
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Shamrock_747
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:27 am

I am completely against the death penalty. This is the way I see it in the simplest of terms...

Killing somebody is the worst thing anyone can possibly do, so as a punishment we are going to kill you.

Doesn't make sense to me.

Brutal, outdated and disgusting that the supposedly civilized USA still murders its own citizens for 'justice'.
 
SlamClick
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:38 am

Any argument to end it must carry with it the means for people condemned to life in prison to pay the entire cost of their incarceration.

Call that slave labor if you like but remember they volunteered for it by killing someone.

I do not feel that society owes a convicted murderer anything in the way of food, shelter, clothing.

All I am left with is ending their wretched lives.

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daedaeg
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:46 am

Any argument to end it must carry with it the means for people condemned to life in prison to pay the entire cost of their incarceration.

Call that slave labor if you like but remember they volunteered for it by killing someone.

I do not feel that society owes a convicted murderer anything in the way of food, shelter, clothing.

All I am left with is ending their wretched lives



Good point. However deathrow inmates always use the appeal process. The appeals process uses a lot of taxpayer dollars. I suggest states offer pay-per-view of an execution so that taxpayers can recoup some of that money.

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Springbok747
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 7:24 am

Yes. Unfortunately we don't have it in this country.
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 7:48 am

Fifth commandment: "Thou shalt not kill". Period

Actually, the real commandment is: Thou shalt not murder. Ask anyone who has extensively studied the Bible and they will all say the word is "murder," not kill. The touchy-feely religous types over the past centuries have allowed the word to be equated with and changed to "kill," which has a whole separate connonation.
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CaptOveur
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 7:59 am

Many places are outlawing the death penalty.

I am proud to live in a state that has put in an express lane. If you commit pre-meditated murder and it is shown beyond a reasonable doubt you did it, and you are convicted and sentenced by a jury of your peers. As far as I am concerned you did it. Sit on death row and think about what you did for a couple years then fry.

I think maybe the current method of lethal injection is too humane. If I had to pick a way to go that is a pretty nice way. Firing squad, hanging, guillotine or maybe some nasty medieval methods need to be re-evaluated.

Or maybe going out the same way your victim did.. talk about making the punishment fit the crime.
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dl021
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:03 am

What I find funny is that many of the opponents of the death penalty are perfectly ok with abortion.

Dichotomous, ain't it?


I'm not necessarily for electric bleachers, but I'm definitely for capital punishment. The only problem now is that it takes too long to carry out punishment.
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touchdown99
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:14 am

- research after research has shown it is no deterrent whatsoever,
- every once in a while a perfectly innocent person is put to death,
- it is more expensive than to lock away someone for life,
- is does not make sense to tell someone not to kill if you do it yourself
- with the exception of the US and Japan, all civilized countries have abolished capital punishment for obviously some reason.

All in all, I have yet to hear a convincing argument for the death penalty...
 
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:21 am

If someone tortures someone and kills them, via torture then yes they deserve the death sentence.
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SlamClick
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:23 am

"- research after research has shown it is no deterrent whatsoever, "

I always love this argument.

Where was the test conducted?

There has never been a time in any country you can name where a person committing a murder knew that he was going to be executed for it.

Here in the United States, hell, even in Texas there is not much chance of you actually dying just because you've been sentenced.

Fact is you have a better chance of survival being sentenced to death in the US than you have simply walking through some neighborhoods.

So tell me, in scientific terms, where and how has it been proved?


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daedaeg
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:25 am

- research after research has shown it is no deterrent whatsoever,
- every once in a while a perfectly innocent person is put to death,
- it is more expensive than to lock away someone for life,
- is does not make sense to tell someone not to kill if you do it yourself
- with the exception of the US and Japan, all civilized countries have abolished capital punishment for obviously some reason.

All in all, I have yet to hear a convincing argument for the death penalty...


Ah, but I bet terminating a life in the womb is okay for you, but God forbid we terminate the life of a murderer.
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PacificWestern
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RE: Death Penalty - Yes Or No?

Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:40 am

Perhaps David Milgaard and Donald Marshall Jr. should be asked if they believe in the death penalty.

 
ANCFlyer
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:04 am

I support the Death Penalty.

However - the caveat is this:

In a death penalty case the read from the jury should be "without ANY doubt" rather than beyond reasonable doubt.

Example: If the crime is witnessed . . . e.g., Fred shoots Tom, Tom is dead, Mike and Alan saw it happen from start to finish, Fred gets to Fry. There is NO doubt Fred killed Tom, Mike and Alan saw it, no DNA testing can refute the eye witness.

And no more of this appeal crap lasting years and years. Guilty, Sentenced, carry out within 30 days, period.



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Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:16 am

yes..........
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TACAA320
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:20 am

"yes..........
If you kill someone first degree you should be fried."

Only in countries that has the death penalty. Otherwise you go to jail.

Not even all states in the U.S. has it...

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bravo7e7
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:23 am

Which is why I said you SHOULD.......
 
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:51 am

I wonder how many millionaire's have been put to death... Equal justice for the poor, Equal justice for the rich, Right ? Wrong ! Not in America. If you have cash you won't do the same time as someone who is appointed a public defender.
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N317AS
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Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:55 am

Hell yes!!! This includes psychotic mothers in Texas who drown her kids in the bathtub. If nothing else, they won't kill again.
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zotan
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RE: Death Penalty - Yes Or No?

Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:00 am

Its really hypocritical how we, the United States, think its so bad that a person killed someone and that they should be punished bla bla bla, and then we go right back and kill them....
 
touchdown99
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RE: Death Penalty - Yes Or No?

Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:03 am

There has never been a time in any country you can name where a person committing a murder knew that he was going to be executed for it.

If this was true, Texas could just as well do away with the death penalty because it leads your own support for the death penalty ad absurdum.... You mean those fellas just have had bad luck when they are served their last meal that they were not killed before in a bad neighbourhood ?


Ah, but I bet terminating a life in the womb is okay for you, but God forbid we terminate the life of a murderer.

No. But define "life".



After all, the only argument that remains is "eye for an eye". So
- if somebody steals you something, you steal him something,
- if someboby bumps into your car, you trash his car,
- if your wife cheats on you, you cheat on her,
- if someone is rude to, you are rude to him
- if someone farts, you fart as well....
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SSTjumbo
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RE: Death Penalty - Yes Or No?

Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:34 am

Actually, the real commandment is: Thou shalt not murder. Ask anyone who has extensively studied the Bible and they will all say the word is "murder," not kill. The touchy-feely religous types over the past centuries have allowed the word to be equated with and changed to "kill," which has a whole separate connonation.


In full context, as I mentioned, the commandment actually translates into, "Thou shalt not premeditavely murder an innocent individual." This commandment was likely instituted to prevent human sacrifice which was prevelant back in the day. As I say though, make what you wish of it.
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dragon-wings
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RE: Death Penalty - Yes Or No?

Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:39 am

No

The person the delivers the lethal injection or turns on the electricity kills someone, so why isn't he or she in trouble as well?
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JetJock22
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RE: Death Penalty - Yes Or No?

Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:49 am

I'm all for it. If my friend kills someone, then he should fry. If someone in my family murders someone they should fry.
 
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RE: Death Penalty - Yes Or No?

Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:56 am

Just for the record : Fifth commandment : Honour your Father & Mother
Sixth commandment : Thou shall not murder/kill (depending on the translation)
Not to be picky or anything.
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