What does it say about you Airplay if you think that calling a passenger on one of the four ill-fated 9/11 flights, or a delivery person in the WTC on that morning a "Nazi" or an "Eichmann" is an "idea?"
1st off, Churchill has stated that he did mean for his "Eichmann" comment to extend to delivery people, the firemen,police force, janitors, and one could argue some of the people on the four flights that fateful day(1). And I do not see how Airplay's views on freedom of speech make him less of a person, as you slamclick, seem to be implying. Look, what Churchill said about the victims on 9/11 is repulsive. I won't deny it. But Churchill is entitled to both academic freedom and the 1st Amendment. My concern is if the Regents drop the ball on this, my degree will go down the shitter well before I graduate! I support Churchill's right to the first amendment, but I do doubt his judgement. Could he have written his opinions on September 11th more tactfully? Yes.
As for this whole impressionable student bullshit, the bright students will form an opinion, whether it be pro or anti-Churchill, on their own free will. We were, and many (regardless of age) still are, impressionable; yet so long as conflicting ideas are allowed to persist, and we are allowed to support or deny any idea, then sooner or later people will find their ideas and values. Here at CU
-Denver, the campus with no sports teams, the idea of Ward Churchill is being discussed probably as much as anywhere else concerned about free speech and academic freedom. Yet many people, both for and against Churchill, on campus must test their ideas about Churchill against others in a constructive manner or get an academic beating. This is the market place of ideas that university is supposed to be about!
Yet do I fear this marketplace going sour? Yes, again, I hope the Regents and those involved in the investigation use proper judgement so that the integrity of the CU
-system, you can decide how much integrity we have, is not harmed. I would hate if academic freedom becomes suppressed in the eyes of professors and faculty, as many may leave the university. Fuck, after I found how much an untenured professor makes here at CU
-D, I'm surprised that many even want to come here in the first place! And it's not the Regents, students and professors need to be able to conduct themselves in a manner that will not disrupt this investigative process, as I don't want anything more going wrong with my university. And it pisses me off when people who defend free speech try to force their views upon me. Free speech isn't about force people, it's about listening and making conversation! If you don't buy that definition, fine with me.
So what will the Regents and the investigation find on Ward Churchill? It probably will be a lapse in academic integrity, as it probably will be the easiest reason for dismissal to prove. (2)
(1) Professor won't back down on 9/11 controversy
(2)Colorado Professor Faces Claims of Academic Fraud LA
Edit: Did you know that recent research shows that the part of the brain that processes cause and effect type of issues does not even develop until about age 25? I find tons of empirical evidence that support that claim.
Look slamclick, if you want to give us "food for thought" then show us this evidence... Also, all Greg is showing us is that the FCQ's favor Churchill; take a look for yourself: http://www.colorado.edu/pba/fcq/by_inst/c.html
Course # Term Instructor #ENR #RET CRSE INST FAIR ACES WORK DIVS ISSU TITL
AIST-2015-001 Fal04 CHURCHILL, WARD 72 67 A A A B+ 5.4 A+ A+ TOPICAL ISS/NATIVE N.A.
AIST-2015-001 Sum04 CHURCHILL, WARD 25 25 A- A A A- 5.0 A+ A+ TOPICAL ISS/NATIVE N.A.
AIST-2015-100 Sum04 CHURCHILL, WARD 18 15 A A A A 5.3 A A+ TOPICAL ISS/NATIVE N.A.
AIST-2201-002 Spr04 CHURCHILL, WARD 106 93 B+ A- A- B 4.7 A A AMERICAN INDIANS IN FILM
AIST-3400-001 Spr04 CHURCHILL, WARD 104 87 A A- A B+ 4.7 A A+ TPC-FBI ON PINE RIDGE
AIST-2015-001 Fal03 CHURCHILL, WARD 75 71 A- A A A- 5.2 A+ A+ TOPICAL ISS/NATIVE N. A.
AIST-2015-100 Sum03 CHURCHILL, WARD 25 24 A- A A+ A- 5.3 A A TOPICAL ISS/NATIVE N. A.
AIST-2015-001 Spr03 CHURCHILL, WARD 73 67 B+ A- B+ B 5.2 A A TOPICAL ISS/NATIVE N. A.
AIST-3400-001 Spr03 CHURCHILL, WARD 102 90 A A A A 4.8 A+ A+ TPC-FBI ON PINE RIDGE
AIST-2015-001 Fal02 CHURCHILL, WARD 90 67 A A A B+ 5.3 A+ A+ TOPICAL ISS/NATIVE N. A.
AIST-2015-100 Sum02 CHURCHILL, WARD 24 23 A A A A 5.3 A A+ TOPICAL ISS/NATIVE N. A.
AIST-2015-001 Spr02 CHURCHILL, WARD 105 98 A- A B B+ 5.2 A+ A TOPICAL ISS/NATIVE N. A.
AIST-3400-001 Spr02 CHURCHILL, WARD 91 86 B+ A B+ B 5.0 A+ A+ TPC-FBI ON PINE RIDGE
ETHN-3100-800 Fal04 CHURCHILL, WARD 14 13 A+ A A+ A- 5.1 A A SELECTED TPCS/ETHNIC STU
ETHN-4510-802 Fal04 CHURCHILL, WARD 19 10 B B A+ B- 5.0
ETHN-3100-002 Fal03 CHURCHILL, WARD 21 20 A+ A+ A+ A 5.0 A+ A+ TPC-AMERICAN HOLOCAUST
ETHN-3100-002 Fal02 CHURCHILL, WARD ** 34 32 B+ A B+ A 5.1 A+ A+ TPC-SCREENING RACE
[Edited 2005-02-13 01:39:55]