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I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:01 am

This is not meant to be racist or anything, but why is it that most black people say "ax" instead of "ask"? Do they have different tongues, or what?

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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:09 am

Im not really sure what you are saying since ive never heard "ax", but trying researching something called ebonics.
 
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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:17 am

No, it is not ebonics. I was watching a commercial and the lady was saying how she called 1800ASKGARY, but she pronounced it 1800akstGARY
 
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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:32 am

Yeah it is ebonics:

axing
to refer to someones knowledge
ASKING
I was axing this guy bout his wife...

Here's a ebonics dictionary that i found, lol:

http://www.dolemite.com/ebonics/allwords.htm
yeah i know
 
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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:55 am

It's ebonics, but it's no different than white Minnesotans saying "Yah" instead of "Yeah." I'm kinda tired of everyone labeling the way that black people talk, while the way white people talk is "normal." It's like people who pronounce dude, "Di-youd." It's the way some people talk. I'm black and I don't say "Ax."

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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:02 am

i dont like when people type w/ insted of with i mean its 3 more letters!! not that much!
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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:03 am

I am not trying to label here. The difference is there is diversity in the different regions with white people, and it is local, while I believe it is more common around our country for black people to say axing.
 
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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:05 am

I think there is a difference between ebonics and using the word "ax". Ax is just the way some people pronounce ask, much like y'all and yah, and I have heard many white people say ax also. While ax is much like an accent, ebonics is the complete bastardization of the English language. These people have no idea how to speak properly, so they just speak gibberish.

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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:13 am

"Do they have different tongues, or what?"

Ah, the brilliant minds of the non-aviation forum reveal themselves once more.  Insane


Also, just FYI: Any time you write/speak the words "This is not meant to be racist or anything," whatever follows is DEFINITELY racist.
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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:26 am

This topic is going NOWHERE fast. People speak the way the speak, who knows why, let's not turn this into some big racial thing...
yeah i know
 
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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:56 am

Too late NorskMan... that's exactly what the thread starter intented. It couldn't be any clearer in his opening comments...

Bravo7E7
This is not meant to be racist or anything, but why is it that most black people say "ax" instead of "ask"

Newark777:
...ebonics is the complete bastardization of the English language. These people have no idea how to speak properly, so they just speak gibberish.



What's amazing is you can almost time it with a stop-watch at about every 6-8 months someone like these two braintrust who know more than the average person about airplanes and aviation and yet know squat about people in general will pop up here at A.net and ask such an assinine question... instead of approaching and black guy (or the ethnic du jour) and ask him themselves.

These two are of the mindset that they themselves had some sort of say in their sperm injection to become what they think they are today... when they just as easily could have been born in Backwood, Arkansas... living out of a duct-taped Airtstream Trailer with non-functioning propane tanks (and using words like 'ain't and y'all' all day long without batting an eye. Or born under a camel in an Afghan Desert.

"The only thing more infinite than the universe... is human stupidity" and these two just exhibited stellar examples of such...

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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:13 am

These two are of the mindset that they themselves had some sort of say in their sperm injection to become what they think they are today... when they just as easily could have been born in Backwood, Arkansas... living out of a duct-taped Airtstream Trailer with non-functioning propane tanks (and using words like 'ain't and y'all' all day long without batting an eye. Or born under a camel in an Afghan Desert.

Did you even read my post? I am not speaking ill of blacks or any other group for that matter. I am just saying it is horrible that people who "speak" ebonics have disgraced the English language. This is not about blacks, it is about education. The poor education in the nation is mostly in the large urban areas, which also happens to be the areas with the highest concentration of minorities. Therefore, it is these individuals who are the ones speaking the ebonics and getting high all the time. If I was born into that situation, I would probably be speaking ebonics and shooting up right now. I just thank my lucky stars that I had the privilege to be brought up in an environment that fosters education, and that I had caring parents.

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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:19 am

I say yall. Does that make me a non-normal "white speaker"? People speak how they speak.
 
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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:22 am

Our former trainer at C8(all the employees know who he is) spoke this way. "Let me ax you ask a question!" We all wondered what is was about!

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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:23 am

Did you even read my post? I am not speaking ill of blacks or any other group for that matter. I am just saying it is horrible that people who "speak" ebonics have disgraced the English language. This is not about blacks, it is about education. The poor education in the nation is mostly in the large urban areas, which also happens to be the areas with the highest concentration of minorities. Therefore, it is these individuals who are the ones speaking the ebonics and getting high all the time. If I was born into that situation, I would probably be speaking ebonics and shooting up right now.

Wow.. talk about stepping into the dog sh*t .. then just doing a swan dive into it.. kid your rating on that one was a perfect 10!!!

What's scarier is... he really believes what he just wrote...

You really need to tattoo this "The only thing more infinite than the universe... is human stupidity" on your forehead, drivers liscense and anything else that reminds people of 'you'...

Could you possibly dig yourself in any deeper???

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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:39 am

I've taken several linguistics courses and can tell you that it is very unlikely that the word "aks" is due to racial genetics (which is a fallacy in and of itself anyway). "Aks" probably started in a region with a heavy black population, by a process known as metathesis, and thus tends to be spoken more by black people. BEV (Black English Vernacular=ebonics) evolved from Southern American English and spread as a cultural identity but also began to be spoken by all races. From a linguistic point of view BEV is a perfectly valid language/dialect, as it has its own rules and conveys meaning just as well as English does. In the same token, the word "aks" evolved from "ask", but is a perfectly valid word since it conveys the same meaning. Without this process, we wouldn't have many of the words we have today, for example "Dirt" came from "Drit".
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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:06 am

Just for fun, I typed BN747's response into an ebonics translator:

Wow.. jive about stepping into da dog sh*t .. then just doin' uh swan dive into it.. kid yo' rating on dat one wuz uh perfect 10!!!

What'sscarier iz... he really believes what he just wrote...

You really need ta tattoo dis here "The only thin' mo' infinite than da universe... iz human stupidity" on yo' forehead, drivers liscense an' anythin' else dat reminds peeps o' 'you'...

Could ya possibly dig yourself in any deeper???
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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:22 am

There's nothing to lighten up or chill out about.. you just made a colossal fool out of yourself by stating beliefs you hold as valid. It appears you've lived your entire life in a coke can. Boy, will your world be rocked ..when you walk in on your parents/uncle/sister getting high on pot or whatever they indulge in. America is the illegal drug capital of the world (users and demand market that is...) and more whites participate than anyone else.... why.. simply because their are more of them...

Now smoke those ebonics but don't fry the 'stupidity cells'... we don't want you to get enlightened too fast-- you could short-circuit something.

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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:25 am

Harry, roflmao. But remember there is nothing wrong eith butchering our language. It is not their fault they can't learn to speak. It is all societies fault. Smile

BN747, it is better to be the illegal drug capital of the world rather then the legal drug capital of the world. Smile
 
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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:39 am

"The only thing more infinite than the universe... is human stupidity" and these two just exhibited stellar examples of such...

BN747


While you may be right, wouldn't it have been easier to roll your eyes and move on?

Y'know, instead of choosing to take this apparently irresistible opportunity to act smug and superior, calling them out as racists all in attempt to feel good about yourself...
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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:56 am

While we're on the topic....


...why is it that so many white people cannot seem to pronounce the "w" in any word spelled "whi..." or "wi..." without immediately following it with the "h" sound?

It's most often heard, ironially enough, on the word "white"-- which they pronounce 'wah-hite'

Also, there's:
'wah-high' (why)
'wah-hild' (wild)
etc

Words like "when", "where", "wonder", etc remain unaffected.


If you've never witnessed this before... just watch Lou Dobbs on CNN, he does it all the time.

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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:01 am

Calling us out as racists?! What thread are you guys reading? I'd like one reference so far to show where I have been racist.

There's nothing to lighten up or chill out about.. you just made a colossal fool out of yourself by stating beliefs you hold as valid. It appears you've lived your entire life in a coke can. Boy, will your world be rocked ..when you walk in on your parents/uncle/sister getting high on pot or whatever they indulge in

ROFL, you crack me up (no pun intended). I make one reference to drugs, and now I'm "living in a coke can" (whatever the hell that means), and my "world will be rocked." To even think that any high schooler these days hasn't been exposed to some type of drugs is hilarious. I think you are in for a rockin' yourself when you realize how much you underestimate people.

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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:04 am

Maybe someone should just ax ya'll to just hush up, ya dig?  Big grin
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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:06 am

Harry, according to urbandictionary.com a coke can is:

1)cock: a penis that has the girth of a Coke can. coke can cock

2)man: nickname of a guy with a penis that has the girth of a Coke can.
1)I was bleeding everywhere afterward because Nick has a Coke can cock!


So I guess thats a compliment. Smile
 
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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:08 am

The origin of the regional pronunciation of the word "ask" as "axe" has less to do with color or "ebonics" than it does with the area in which you were raised, or from which your parents came. The propagation of this has to do with subcultural trends in manners of speaking (which is sometimes identified as ebonics, but this goes deeper than that).

It was originally a Southeastern and Delta regional pronunciation of the word that you are hearing. If you wonder why this has travelled outside of the original regions with black people is that, due to needs of the manufacturing regions for workers to replace the whites serving in the then segregated military, there was a tremendous movement out of the south to places like Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, Philadelphia and New York during the wars, and again during the 50's and 60's when there was another wave of ethnic migration to western cities by people looking for new opportunities away from Jim Crow in addition to the same reasons that everyone else seemed to want to go west including large numbers into Los Angeles.

The dialect of the original transplants carried over in some ways with their children who grew up in black neighborhoods that began to develop as folks were either redlined into their areas or moved into them due to economic or comfort pressures. These cultural subgroups kept their language inside of their own communities and had this reinforced by some who used the different pronunciations to make clearer the differences between them and others.

Now if you ever travel to the regions you may hear a white Cajun or a south Georgia farmer say "Lemme acks 'is feller a question..." and you'll have a better understanding why they are speaking this way.

Also, the next time you want to understand something about the topic of dialects and regional or ethnic pronunciations look into doing some research with some professionals who can give you better insights than we can without taking the hits for asking a question and paving the way for the reactionary flame wars.

Heres some sites for you.
UPenn source with excellent offline bibliography
http://www.ling.upenn.edu/phono_atlas/ICSLP4.html

UW
http://www.uwm.edu/Course/350-192/region.html

There are plenty of other sources as well.
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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:10 am

I'm not sure that is the definition he was going for.  Big grin

As some may say, thats wack.  Smile

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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:23 am

Y'know, instead of choosing to take this apparently irresistible opportunity to act smug and superior, calling them out as racists all in attempt to feel good about yourself...

EA CO ...where did I call him a racist? Or are you reading something that isn't there? He's doing a 1st class job of sharing his ignorance and you're doing a 1st rate job of endorsing and encouraging it!


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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:04 pm

Sepatown, tippie ties...

Fo yo sine your pinny on the runny kine...

I got ta say tha nay-no on the flappa-jaw...

Disrespect mine tine tanies and I'm funna...

make ya go lay on the beddy tie...

So wadata my cattato damies...

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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:21 pm

Like talking in Hinglish out here.You need to know both [Hindi & English]
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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:34 pm

many of the maori & polynesians also speak like that, it isn't just an ebonic thing if other races speak like that too. It annoys me when I hear 'arks' instead of 'ask'. because it sounds uneducated and like they have got the pronounciation muddled. It shouldn't be a part of the english language we encourage.
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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:37 pm

Y'know, instead of choosing to take this apparently irresistible opportunity to act smug and superior, calling them out as racists all in attempt to feel good about yourself...

EA CO ...where did I call him a racist? Or are you reading something that isn't there?


It sure seemed like it was implied at the very least.

He's doing a 1st class job of sharing his ignorance and you're doing a 1st rate job of endorsing and encouraging it!

Hardly! All I was doing was pointing out how quick you (and to be fair, others) were to pile on instead of ignoring the thread entirely and letting it die a quick death from non-participation.

That doesn't endorse nor encourage his viewpoint in any way.

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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:33 pm

It sure seemed like it was implied at the very least.

And my my my are you just full of yourself... now you can smell the implications of racism at the drop of hat. Just where does one acquire such expertise? His statements are of a racist nature.... and I gave him the 'benefit of doubt' of being young fool (which his comments verify) vs a full fledged racist. But it's to know that you've mysteriously developed a 'sense of detecting' implied racist charges.



That's an outright lie right there... your words reflect you went directly at me (again..I guess you're long overdue).

...were to pile on instead of ignoring the thread entirely and letting it die a quick death from non-participation.

So let me get this right... A.net has appointed you to tell me (or others) which threads we should ignore and not participate in??? Interesting. So if I participate in the 'fart' thread or 'Dental Work in Argentina', or 'what I'm listening to' Thread... those are okay... but not this one...?! EA CO, he has excuse for making a first class fool of himself... he's young and not to be taken seriously.... what's yours???

And yes, your upholding his silly perspective by criticizing the comments challenging them... is endorsing and encouraging it. It certainly isn't discouraging it... you clearly attempted to discourage me from ridiculing it for the ignorance that it is. If he throws it out there, he's looking for support or opposition to his comments... that's what these discussion boards are about. But it is comforting to know that you're gunning for the position to decide who participates in which threads and which ones they should not... good luck in the appointment as 'Thought/Chat Czar.

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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:50 am

you clearly attempted to discourage me from ridiculing it for the ignorance that it is

No, I attempted to discourage you from acting all self-congratulatory for ridiculing him.

So let me get this right... A.net has appointed you to tell me (or others) which threads we should ignore and not participate in???

Please point out where I said or implied anything of the sort. If anything, it appears that you feel you're the self-appointed "Thought Police" here - since you felt it necessary to come out and slam someone for having beliefs that are contrary to yours, inappropriate or disturbing as his comments may be.

Relax. Breathe deeply. The week has just begun. Odds are there will be plenty to get aggravated by later.  Big grin

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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:40 am

Whether people are black, white, or purple with pink polka dots, it's not surprising to me that so many people fail to achieve a basic command of the English language and its proper usage when other people believe it to be perfectly acceptable to use "ax" in lieu of "ask."

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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:01 am

The origin of the regional pronunciation of the word "ask" as "axe" has less to do with color or "ebonics" than it does with the area in which you were raised, or from which your parents came. The propagation of this has to do with subcultural trends in manners of speaking (which is sometimes identified as ebonics, but this goes deeper than that).

It was originally a Southeastern and Delta regional pronunciation of the word that you are hearing. If you wonder why this has travelled outside of the original regions with black people is that, due to needs of the manufacturing regions for workers to replace the whites serving in the then segregated military, there was a tremendous movement out of the south to places like Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, Philadelphia and New York during the wars, and again during the 50's and 60's when there was another wave of ethnic migration to western cities by people looking for new opportunities away from Jim Crow in addition to the same reasons that everyone else seemed to want to go west including large numbers into Los Angeles.

The dialect of the original transplants carried over in some ways with their children who grew up in black neighborhoods that began to develop as folks were either redlined into their areas or moved into them due to economic or comfort pressures. These cultural subgroups kept their language inside of their own communities and had this reinforced by some who used the different pronunciations to make clearer the differences between them and others.

Now if you ever travel to the regions you may hear a white Cajun or a south Georgia farmer say "Lemme acks 'is feller a question..." and you'll have a better understanding why they are speaking this way.

Also, the next time you want to understand something about the topic of dialects and regional or ethnic pronunciations look into doing some research with some professionals who can give you better insights than we can without taking the hits for asking a question and paving the way for the reactionary flame wars.

Heres some sites for you.
UPenn source with excellent offline bibliography
http://www.ling.upenn.edu/phono_atlas/ICSLP4.html

UW
http://www.uwm.edu/Course/350-192/region.html

There are plenty of other sources as well.


DL hits the nail on the head. I've heard plenty of rural whites say "Ax" too. It's a matter of regional pronunciation, not ignorance.  Insane
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RE: I Need To Ax You A Question

Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:05 pm

Quoting ConcordeBoy (reply 20):
It's most often heard, ironially enough, on the word "white"-- which they pronounce 'wah-hite'


I also hear hoo-ite instead of simply white a lot by Caucasians. It drives me nuts.

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