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Pom Bastards?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:33 pm

I understand that this is an expression used in australia to refer to Englishmen.

Where did it come from and is it still used?
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:43 pm

Quoting AirxLiban (reply 0):
Where did it come from and is it still used?

Yes it is still used. I don't know for sure but it probably comes from the bitterness that one develops for those who send you to the otherside of the world because they never want to see you again. Times have changed but old habits die hard.
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Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:01 pm

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RE: Pom Bastards?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:35 pm

I always understood pommie to be a corruption of P.O.M.E standing for Product of Mother England. Not sure where it comes from though - possibly an early form of Country of Origin information on English products exported to the colonies ?
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:42 pm

I'm proud to be English and if ever any Ozzy crim calls me a pommy barstuard I will show him my birth certificate. Next to the fathers name it says 'some soldiers'!!

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RE: Pom Bastards?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:56 pm

if ever any Ozzy crim..

Yeah...thanks for that mate  Yeah sure
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:03 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (reply 5):
Yeah...thanks for that mate

I feel the same about being called 'Pakeha' but you live with it.
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:06 pm

The Prisoner of Mother England idea never made much sense to me, because logically it would really refer to Australians rather than the English. The derivation from "pomegranate" seems a little more likely.

Springbok747, since so many Australians persist in referring to the English as "pommy bastards" all the time, you can hardly complain when the "convict" insult is thrown back at you. In actual fact, they're about as bad as each other, and complaining about it just comes across as whingeing. So you call us "pommy bastards"? So what?
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:22 pm

Pommy bastards?! NEVER

It's whinging Pommy bastards thank you very much.

What's the difference between a 747 and a Pom?

The 747 stops whining when it gets to Australia.

Bruce, feel free to do that at any time. And I will be free to make you shit your pants and run for your life in the other direction. It's easy. Simply throw a cake of soap at ya. You whinging smelly Pommy bastard  Big grin
 
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Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:41 pm

As a French friend once said to me; why do the Australians call you "whingeing" when it is they who are always complaining?
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:05 pm

We only whinge about the Poms. On the other hand the Poms whinge about fucking everything.

Classic case of a whinging Pom.

A young Pommy couple apply to migrate to Australia. They go thru all the bullshit and jump thru all the hoops one needs to do with DFAT. The big day comes and they board their flight to Melbourne. They arrive in Melbourne, step out of the terminal and find that it is pissing down. Less than 24 hours later they were on the next plane next back to England, never to return. Somehow the media gets a hold of their 'story' and interviews the couple before they leave. Two bigger bloody whinging Pommy bastards I think no-one has met. What do these whingers expect when they move to Melbourne in the dead middle of winter? Shit, even in summer you get the "four seasons in one day" that Melbourne is famous for. This is what you get after watching Neighbours 2 times a day  Big grin

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RE: Pom Bastards?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:59 pm

Your patience is appreciated Ladies and Gentlemen.

I need to collect my thoughts before I post a proper reply.

I'm shaking with excited anticipation of what is left to come.

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RE: Pom Bastards?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:08 pm

It's supposed to be related to eating pomegranete fruit to prevent scurvy. The long ship voyage to Australia and the poor onboard food in pre-refrigeration days caused vitamin deficiency.

Of course most Australians have an Oedipus complex and secretly want to have sex with their mothers. This is due to an inbred desire to return to the place from which they were expelled.....
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 pm

Quoting AirxLiban (reply 0):
I understand that this is an expression used in australia to refer to Englishmen


I don't use it. I urge other Australians to follow my lead.

Quoting AerorobNZ (reply 1):
Yes it is still used. I don't know for sure but it probably comes from the bitterness that one develops for those who send you to the otherside of the world because they never want to see you again.


Dear dear me - how this New Zealander dissapoints me so. My heart is breaking for you AerorobNZ, it really is. To think - leaving old blighty - that glorious tropical expanse drenched in eternal sunshine. Wide open spaces without a soul in sight. Long, white, sandy beaches caressed with smooth aqua waves. I'm weeping at the thought that I do not live in such a place.

Quoting Delboy (reply 4):
I'm proud to be English and if ever any Ozzy crim calls me a pommy barstuard I will show him my birth certificate.


Did you learn such language in prison?

I do not appreciate your beligerance - it belies so much.

Quoting AerorobNZ (reply 6):
I feel the same about being called 'Pakeha' but you live with it.


This might come as a shock, but acutally you don't.

Quoting Banco (reply 7):
Springbok747, since so many Australians persist in referring to the English as "pommy bastards" all the time, you can hardly complain when the "convict" insult is thrown back at you. In actual fact, they're about as bad as each other, and complaining about it just comes across as whingeing. So you call us "pommy bastards"? So what?


And would you choose to affix stereotypical insults to people of other races because certain individuals of that race choose to insult people of your creed?

I would hope not. And if you would not - then you will refrain from insulting my country further.

Quoting Russophile (reply 8):
Bruce, feel free to do that at any time. And I will be free to make you shit your pants and run for your life in the other direction. It's easy. Simply throw a cake of soap at ya. You whinging smelly Pommy bastard


Springbok - you know I have great affection for your contribution to the forums. However such comments are not condusive to a mutually respectful relationship. If you don't want the "C" word affixed to you then you will show more respect to Britons.

Quoting Banco (reply 9):
As a French friend once said to me; why do the Australians call you "whingeing" when it is they who are always complaining?


Such arbitrary observations reveal nothing of the true character of countrymen and women. I understand you feel the need to defend the honour of your nation in this conversation - but so do I.

Quoting Russophile (reply 10):
Anyone waiting with baited breathe for the entrance of Qantasforever?


I hope I haven't dissapointed anyone, eh - Russo?  Big grin

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RE: Pom Bastards?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 pm

WhiteHatter -

You remain, as ever - the filthiest thing to ever participate in these forums.

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RE: Pom Bastards?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:23 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (reply 13):
respect to Britons


That alone was worth reading the entire thread!  Laugh out loud  Nuts
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:34 pm

Quoting WhiteHatter (reply 12):
Of course most Australians have an Oedipus complex and secretly want to have sex with their mothers. This is due to an inbred desire to return to the place from which they were expelled.....


ROFL Roy!  Big grin

By the way, I wonder if there's more whinging Pommie bastards in Australia or Australians in Mother England?
 
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:42 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (reply 13):
Quoting Banco (reply 7):
Springbok747, since so many Australians persist in referring to the English as "pommy bastards" all the time, you can hardly complain when the "convict" insult is thrown back at you. In actual fact, they're about as bad as each other, and complaining about it just comes across as whingeing. So you call us "pommy bastards"? So what?


And would you choose to affix stereotypical insults to people of other races because certain individuals of that race choose to insult people of your creed?

I would hope not. And if you would not - then you will refrain from insulting my country further.


Er. Excuse me, but I didn't. I was responding to to a post rather hypocritically complaining about another user referring to Australians as criminals in a thread entitled Pom Bastards! As you say, if you don't use the terms then you can complain.
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Pommie

Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:17 pm

Quoting Russophile (reply 10):
...whinge about fucking everything.


lol - this f*word is typical Australian , I love the sterling and aristocratic Australian phraseology.

Quoting WhiteHatter (reply 12):
It's supposed to be related to eating pomegranete fruit to prevent scurvy. The long ship voyage to Australia and the poor onboard food in pre-refrigeration days caused vitamin deficiency.

Of course most Australians have an Oedipus complex and secretly want to have sex with their mothers. This is due to an inbred desire to return to the place from which they were expelled.....


Hopefully I get something else but pomegranete when I will fly with QF to BNE in june. Australians secretly want to have sex with their mothers? Mmmmh, my Aussie friends told me that British and New Zealand people want to have sex with sheep (secretly and in public)  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:41 pm

Quoting Jasepl (reply 16):
By the way, I wonder if there's more whinging Pommie bastards in Australia or Australians in Mother England?

Yes - this was what was in my mind as I was reading this thread so far, and contemplating going to the pub for lunch, and being served by the Australian waitress.

The day I arrived in Melbourne last year (for a holiday), I went into a wine bar and instantly heard people talking about the "pom bastards" and what a waste of time they were... So that holiday started well...
And in the airport catching the flight to come home, one of the guys at immigration was asking why it was so difficult [for Australians who move to Britain] to get bank accounts in Britain, and really having a go at the Brits about this in front of me. But as I was about to leave he started asking what was the best way into Britain for him to come and work here. I was a bit confused: did he want to come and work here or not!? When someone bitches about something that they then appear to want, it comes across as bitterness/jealousy.

As someone who has lived in a few countres in my life, I don't understand anyone refering to another country's people in such a way - especially if it's a country that has so many immigrants in it!
 
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Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:48 pm

Hi all you Aussies

I really love the way you bite just that little bit too easily. Personally, I love the aussies. Their humour is so close to my own it's great, the cut and thrust of measured responses, the intelligence they display is second to none (second rate and none of it!!).

Keep it up guys, this thread is making me smile so much.

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RE: Pom Bastards?

Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:52 am

Poem...

To be said in an Aussie accent...

"As I was walking through Earl's Court,
Into a pub I was lured,
Where a nosey pom, said 'Where you from'
As I downed the amber fluid,
I said 'Listen mate, I'm an Ozzy right,
And am fixing to get plastered'
But the beer is crook, and the girls all look,
Like you you pommy bastard"

Taken from a sitcom that the previous poster should recognise

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RE: Pom Bastards?

Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:40 am

Thanks for the replies!

Anyway, I got the answer I was looking for.

I'll be sure not to use the terminology when I am there in two weeks.
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Tue Mar 01, 2005 5:38 am

Quoting QANTASforever (reply 13):
Dear dear me - how this New Zealander dissapoints me so. My heart is breaking for you AerorobNZ, it really is. To think - leaving old blighty - that glorious tropical expanse drenched in eternal sunshine. Wide open spaces without a soul in sight. Long, white, sandy beaches caressed with smooth aqua waves. I'm weeping at the thought that I do not live in such a place.


Well quite, but said with the benefit of hindsight - they didn't know that when they left. 6 months on a boat harbouring resentment for being sent away from family and friends by force would be hard get rid of even living in countries such as we do. Kiwis have virtually no bitterness towards the English cos we went there voluntarily....that would also be indicative of my point.

We all still get the working holiday visa to go to the UK to see what our families left behind.There are so many Aussies in Hammersmith & Earls Court - It seems although we know we have the best, we still have to go and make sure for ourselves. I've still got quite a bit of time on my Visa to go back and work.

Quoting QANTASforever (reply 13):
this might come as a shock, but actually you don't.

Actually I do live with being called a Pakeha, and yes I do find it as offensive as you do being called a crim. It is a segretory word. However there are bigger fish to fry, and so you get on with life ie: 'living with it'
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Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:22 am

QFF...I never call the Brits as "Poms". I have many British friends here, and none of us call each other names. Also, here in Adelaide, I've never seen anyone use that word either.

the intelligence they display is second to none (second rate and none of it!!).

Delboy, have you ever been to Australia? If you haven't, I suggest you come down here then post such rubbish.
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:36 am

Quoting AerorobNZ (reply 23):
We all still get the working holiday visa to go to the UK to see what our families left behind.


Okay - I am an Australian without one iota of either "c", or British blood in me. So I'm afraid that any romantic feeling that may exist between the two countries is rather lost on me.
As far as I'm concerned both countries are not so completely different, there is too much bad history and bad blood between the UK and Australia for the relationship to be anything more than a friendly alliance akin to allinaces that exist between hundreds of nations around the world.

Speaking honestly - I feel more a kinship with Canadians and Americans than I do with the British. Especially when I consider the insults often hurled at my country from people from Britain here and abroad.


Quoting Kieron747 (reply 21):
Poem...

To be said in an Aussie accent..(insert crap here)...


I find such a stereotype offensive.

I am not Aussie I am Australian. I find the word "mate" to be redundant. I say hello and not "G'day". I find colloquialism to be tired and on the verge of death and am glad of that. I find those that mimic Australian colloquialisms do not realise how hurtful it is. Can you imagine walking up to an African person and constantly referring to a stereotype of them in conversation? If you would not - you will refrain from such vulgarity in future.


Quoting Ready4Pushback (reply 19):
The day I arrived in Melbourne last year (for a holiday), I went into a wine bar and instantly heard people talking about the "pom bastards" and what a waste of time they were... So that holiday started well...


lol You were in Melbourne remember. I mean - hardly a bastion of high culture.

Quoting Ready4Pushback (reply 19):
As someone who has lived in a few countres in my life, I don't understand anyone refering to another country's people in such a way - especially if it's a country that has so many immigrants in it!


Neither can I - it does defy logic. It is a shame really - our countries could do so much more if there was some mutual respect.

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RE: Pom Bastards?

Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:50 pm

Springbok747

You totally missed the irony of my post and no, sadly I have never been to your wonderful country. I hope to one day very soon as I do, really, love the aussie culture and lifestyle.

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RE: Pom Bastards?

Tue Mar 01, 2005 5:07 pm

Damn!

And i opened this thread thinking that we would be talking about Pom Bears!  Sad

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RE: Pom Bastards?

Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:17 pm

Delboy -

You obviously don't love Australian culture very much if you are willing to ridicule us through incorrect stereotypical colloquialisms.

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Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:21 pm

You've got to be balanced on this, QFF. You can't say all of that to Delboy without a whiff of criticism towards everything that Russophile said.

Personally, I think it's a bit precious to get uptight about it on both sides, but I do think it's rampant hypocrisy to complain about those Aussie stereotypes but ignore the Pommy ones.
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:28 pm

Quoting Banco (reply 7):
Springbok747, since so many Australians persist in referring to the English as "pommy bastards" all the time, you can hardly complain when the "convict" insult is thrown back at you.


I don't use that expression, nor do I hear it being used these days. So I think reference to "many" is a sterotype, or maybe you mistakenly thought "The Return of Bazza McKenzie" was non-fiction ?

Quoting Ready4Pushback (reply 19):
The day I arrived in Melbourne last year (for a holiday), I went into a wine bar and instantly heard people talking about the "pom bastards" and what a waste of time they were... So that holiday started well...


We were alerted to your arrival, so we organised a stereotyped display for you.

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (reply 25):
lol You were in Melbourne remember. I mean - hardly a bastion of high culture.


I think you need to head back OS QFF. You seem to be suffering from "Blinkered Sydney View".
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Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:39 pm

Quoting Banco (reply 29):
You've got to be balanced on this, QFF. You can't say all of that to Delboy without a whiff of criticism towards everything that Russophile said.


In all fairness it's not my job. I've already objected to the language used by one Australian here and have urged more respect for Britons. I don't agree with what Russophile has said and I certainly don't encourage that sort of language. It was his choice to say it. Ok? I want you to have a go at all the British people here who have had a go at Australia now.

Quoting Banco (reply 29):
Personally, I think it's a bit precious to get uptight about it on both sides, but I do think it's rampant hypocrisy to complain about those Aussie stereotypes but ignore the Pommy ones.


I think it is absolutely 100% reasonable for those people who don't use British stereotypes to object to those British people who use Australian stereotypes. And I am offended at the inference of hypocrisy.

I mean - I don't make fun of the British - I never ridicule your country. But apparently us here in "Aussie" (shudder *HATE that word*) are ripe for the picking.

Quoting DeskPilot (reply 30):
I think you need to head back OS QFF. You seem to be suffering from "Blinkered Sydney View".


Alas tis true - I am overcome by the dazzling lights of this glorious city and it's sparkling harbour.

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RE: Pom Bastards?

Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:29 pm

Trust airliners.net to turn what is normally friendly banter between two countries into a politically correct rant. People really need to lighten up and not be so sensitive to what people say all the time. Political correctness as far as I'm concerned is one of the great evils of the modern world which creates more division then what was there before.

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RE: Pom Bastards?

Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:33 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (reply 31):
I want you to have a go at all the British people here who have had a go at Australia now.


Well, actually, I've already said that it doesn't bother me from either angle. What Russophile said is water off a duck's back to me, merely part of the abuse that flies in both directions. It's generally good natured anyway. I do understand that some might find it offensive from both sides, and that's why I say what has to be sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. But you can't expect me to have a go at the Brits when I haven't even had a go at Russophile! I am being consistent here.

Quoting QANTASforever (reply 31):
think it is absolutely 100% reasonable for those people who don't use British stereotypes to object to those British people who use Australian stereotypes. And I am offended at the inference of hypocrisy.


That's fair comment. But the charge of hypocrisy (in this thread,not in everything) only arose because you wrote a long treatise criticising English contributors but not a word about Australian ones. It has to be both or neither. Now, you've since made it clear you object to that too (and in reality, I knew you did anyway) so you've squared the circle. And it is your job to say so if you don't like it from one angle.

Quoting QANTASforever (reply 31):
I mean - I don't make fun of the British - I never ridicule your country. But apparently us here in "Aussie" (shudder *HATE that word*) are ripe for the picking.


No more than we are. I mean, the truth is, whether you like it or not (and it's clearly "not"!) that both peoples have routinely had a go at each other for generations. We do hear a lot about "pommy bastards", though that may well be more over here than there. I have to say though, that I've never heard anyone say it with venom here, it's always been as part of a mutual piss-take.

Quoting QANTASforever (reply 31):
Alas tis true - I am overcome by the dazzling lights of this glorious city and it's sparkling harbour.


Can I just point out that when I head out to Australia this September, I shall be partaking of the delights of Sydney, but I'm not going to Melbourne?  Big grin
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:39 pm

Gman94

Would you call a black person the "n" word?
Do you think that all women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen?
Do you think that disabled people are useless?

If you answered no to all three of the above questions then I will thank you to apply the same standards to making slurrs about one's nationality. It is not okay. Why racial slurs, slurs about gender and discrimination of disabled people should be ANY different from ridiculing a person because of their country of origin is absolutely beyond me.

No, it's not okay for someone to call you a "pommy bastard" - and it will never be okay for someone to label me in a similar manner. You may not like political correctness but that is beside the point. This is about respect.

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RE: Pom Bastards?

Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:44 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (reply 34):
Would you call a black person the "n" word?


No, don't bring that into it. It isn't the same. You may not like it, you may object to it, but it absolutely is not racism, in either direction.
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:51 pm

It bloody well is like racism. God - making generalised comments about people based on their nationality - that is discrimination of the same low ebb as racism. How is it different?
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:16 am

guys, lighten up. when Americans and Canadians make fun of each other, it's good natured. You make fun of each other because deep down you like each other and our CULTURAL SIMILARITIES make it okay to do some good-natured ribbing. Definitely not the same as the n-word to blacks.

Oh, and by the way, I like the UK and Australia. You make fun of each other, but it's all in fun. If some Australian called me a "damn Yank" (it's happened), I would laugh, not get offended.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:19 am

Oh, and by the way, I like the UK and Australia. You make fun of each other, but it's all in fun. If some Australian called me a "damn Yank" (it's happened), I would laugh, not get offended.

Except that some people are way too ultra-sensitive.

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RE: Pom Bastards?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:32 am

i understand that Oz wants to be a republic

Great, then we get Earls Court back!


What i like about Oz is that when you see it it means you are getting closer to NZ


And one of my friends was asked at Sydney C+I

Are you here on business or pleasure?..

The reply 'Business, do you think its a pleasure visiting this place!!!!!'




Only joking!
 
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:55 am

Well, it seems that my previous post (#21) was not received to well by an Australian member!

I really think that people should lighten up a bit. I seriously don't think that banter between the British and you colonials (*just joking*) can be classsed as racism.

True, it is making a joke about someone because of their nationality, but no one heres is burning a cross in front of Syndey Opera House.

Through my travels, and several years at a British University (which prides itself on its international connections) I have met lots of people from all over the world. To use a cliche, "Some of my friends are Australian," and I've never seen any trouble.

Sure, we say Ozzies, some Australians I know say Poms. There are so many names in constant use that I personally don't think are offensive, just nicknames. On other threads today I've seen the term 'taffs' and I'm sure you could uncover 'jocks' or 'yanks' or 'kiwis' or 'limeys'! And even in England alone, think of all the nicknames for the regions and cities.

Last time I checked, theres wasn't going to be a second English civil war because a Scouser called a Brummie a 'Geordie'.

If someone called me a pom, I wouldn't be offended. No the title of this thread could be perceived as slightly more offensive, thanks only to the insertion of the word 'bastard'.

In conclusion, I think the whole topic has gotten out of hand.

Kieron747

PS. I'm in Canada now, is there a nickname for Canadians?
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:06 am

Quoting Kieron747 (reply 40):
PS. I'm in Canada now, is there a nickname for Canadians?


Well, that did remind me of the comedian (can't remember who he was or his nationality) who opened his act at the Montreux Festival with "Hello MooseFuckers!"  Wow!

Suffice to say, as opening lines go, this one was less successful than most.
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:19 am

Quoting QANTASforever (reply 31):
Alas tis true - I am overcome by the dazzling lights of this glorious city and it's sparkling harbour.


Oh QFF, you off all people should know there's life outside Sydney. Tell me, did you explain to a few Sydneysiders that it isn't a wasteland outside of that city - that there are other cities in Australia ?

Quoting Banco (reply 33):
Can I just point out that when I head out to Australia this September, I shall be partaking of the delights of Sydney, but I'm not going to Melbourne?


Well, you're not getting the best value out of you trip then. What a pity.
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:27 am

Oh come on QFF. everything and everyone that exists can be poked fun at in some way or other, there are no rules to who you can and can't laugh at...and everything can be made funny. Stop taking yourself and others so seriously.

Quoting Banco (reply 41):
Well, that did remind me of the comedian who opened his act at the Montreux Festival with "Hello MooseFuckers!"


That reminds me of one of the regular spotters from AKL that calls EK the 'Camel-Fucker Express'.....lol

Quoting Kieron747 (reply 40):

Last time I checked, theres wasn't going to be a second English civil war because a Scouser called a Brummie a 'Geordie'

Bloody thievin' Scousers always starting trouble with those nasal Brummies... Big grin... As a scouser I knew well in London said, "if you go to Liverpool If it ain't bolted down it is yours". She mocked the hell out of Liverpool, but loved it dearly - you can be both QFFlyer.
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:09 am

PS. I'm in Canada now, is there a nickname for Canadians?

damn right there is. we call 'em.....CANUCKS

in general, when you're dealing with people who are culturally/ethnically similar (and white Anglo-Saxons from UK, Oz, NZ, Canada, and the USA certainly are), it's not a big deal to make fun of each other on a national level. Not at all the same deal with people from other races and cultures.

It's the same thing as how YOU can insult your own family as much as you want, but when someone else says, "yeah, your Mom really is a bitch" you get all pissed off.
 
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:42 am

Seriously guys what is this all about?

For sure I make fun of the Aussies (they don't half talk a good game of rugger  Big grin)

But I don't get how so many in both hemispheres here are getting so uptight. I know there are big differences (within Australia in particular) on the issue of the monarchy etc., but I didn't realise we were such poles apart.

Do Australians really hate the British? I can honestly say that 99.99999% of British public don't have a problem with the Aussies, queen or no queen.

I'm a bit confused as to a lot that has been said in this thread. Of course there is a great rivalry, but here it seems to be a bit more deep-rooted.

Regards,

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RE: Pom Bastards?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:18 pm

Quoting Arsenal@LHR (reply 38):
Except that some people are way too ultra-sensitive.

Step forward Qantasforever.


Ultra sensitive? No. Proud? yes. I have a sense of humour I just don't find this sort of nationalistic "humour" to be at all funny.

Quoting Kieron747 (reply 40):
I really think that people should lighten up a bit. I seriously don't think that banter between the British and you colonials (*just joking*) can be classsed as racism.


I never said that it was racism - I said that it was like racism. This "banter" as you call it bwtween the British and (as you so beligerently call) "colonials" is the equivelant of Al Jolson in black face. Sure no one is burning crosses or hanging people - but it is offensive.

Quoting DeskPilot (reply 42):
Oh QFF, you off all people should know there's life outside Sydney. Tell me, did you explain to a few Sydneysiders that it isn't a wasteland outside of that city - that there are other cities in Australia ?


I did hear a rumour about these distant cities beyond the great blue mountains border, but everyone knows they are just fairytales.

Quoting Nycflyer (reply 44):
in general, when you're dealing with people who are culturally/ethnically similar (and white Anglo-Saxons from UK, Oz, NZ, Canada, and the USA certainly are), it's not a big deal to make fun of each other on a national level. Not at all the same deal with people from other races and cultures.


It is ignorant for you not to recognise the fact that Australia, the UK, Canada and the US are extremely multi-cultural. For me to be called a "c" when I have absolutely no "c", or British blood in me at all is extremely offensive.

Quoting DC10Tim (reply 45):
But I don't get how so many in both hemispheres here are getting so uptight. I know there are big differences (within Australia in particular) on the issue of the monarchy etc., but I didn't realise we were such poles apart.


We are, and if you can't see how different the UK and Australia are you are absolutely kidding yourself.

Quoting DC10Tim (reply 45):
Do Australians really hate the British? I can honestly say that 99.99999% of British public don't have a problem with the Aussies, queen or no queen.


I don't hate the British, I hate things that have occured as a result of the actions of the British government - but this discussion was never about hate - it was about respect. And I have never felt that any British person has ever felt an iota of respect for my country. That disrespect is personified by the kind of slurs that have been mentioned throughout this thread.

Quoting DC10Tim (reply 45):
I'm a bit confused as to a lot that has been said in this thread. Of course there is a great rivalry, but here it seems to be a bit more deep-rooted.


I will never forget a great many horrible things that the UK has done to Australia - it tinges the good. I can see the good and I can aknowledge it, but after being screwed repeatedly by the United Kingdom I'm afraid my appetite for stupid name calling has diminished.


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RE: Pom Bastards?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:39 pm

From my humble understanding:
the term comes from Prisoner Of Mother England. A term obsviously given to the convicts. However in the early to mid 20th century, I believe it was turned around (good old Australian sarcasm) to make a play on the living conditions in Australia (good) as opposed to the living conditions in England (not so good). So hence, prisoners of mother England were exactly that, stuck there!
 
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:04 pm

This thread could have been so much fun, but no, someone has to take the moral high ground and turn it into a big debate.

You know who you are, maybe you should lighten up a little and join in the fun instead of analysing every word of every sentence.

I stand by what I said, I love the aussies and their culture and, like a previous poster, if someone wants to call me a pommie basta*d, that's fine, i certainly wouldn't go crying to the race relations board.

Come on guys, let's not take this too seriously.
 
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RE: Pom Bastards?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:23 pm

Quoting Delboy (reply 48):
This thread could have been so much fun, but no, someone has to take the moral high ground and turn it into a big debate.

You know who you are, maybe you should lighten up a little and join in the fun instead of analysing every word of every sentence.


Hahahaha I do know who I am, and well done for having the guts to address me directly.

You wouldn't believe the enjoyment debating this gives me - it is more than a labour of love - it is a life's work. So often people cannot see the other side of the argument, or indeed a new side of the argument they were not even aware of. That is a thrill - to open people's eyes. To make them realise that the indoctrinated drivel they so proudly support is flawed and old.

Quoting Delboy (reply 48):
I stand by what I said, I love the aussies and their culture and, like a previous poster, if someone wants to call me a pommie basta*d, that's fine, i certainly wouldn't go crying to the race relations board.


You see - you complain and yet from that comment I can determine you have absolutely no grasp over the issues we are discussing here at all. You are reverting to some tried and true method of pigeon-holing nationalities.

Quoting Delboy (reply 48):
Come on guys, let's not take this too seriously.


The second your country shows and ounce of respect for mine, then:

1) I'll know that the ribbing is good natured; and

2) I'll "join in the fun".

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