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Favorite Red Wine?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:06 am

I'm a fairly novice wine drinker, in that I have only been experimenting with wine with any frequency for about the last 6 months or so. What I've discovered so far that I definitely prefer red wines over whites. So I was wondering, what are some of your favorite red wines and why? Also, let's try to stick to the more affordable end of things, as I'm pretty much flat broke. lol.

So far, in the very cheap category (< $15/bottle), my favorite is the Rosemount Eatate Shiraz (Australia, 2003). If you go up a price category, I'd say that my favorite was a Merlot that I tried several weeks ago when I went out to dinner. Thus, I don't know it's market price, but it was absolute HEAVEN. It was a Franic Cuppola Diamond Series Merlot.

So to restate the question, what are your favorite red wines? Perhaps in categories? Fav. Cabernet? Favorite Merlot? Shiraz?

Thanks guys & gals.
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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:12 am

Hmm. Right now, it's a relatively little known Spanish Rioja called Lagunilla.

Grown at altitude, it has a rather different flavour to most riojas, and the only downside is that after years of being a well-kept secret (to those outside of Spain, anyway), they're now importing the lowest quality version of it to the UK.  Angry

So, not only do I still have to get it especially imported, I also have to compete with a load of people who've tried it for the first time and like it, even though they've got the 3 Euro version.

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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:19 am

Hey Steve: IMO red wine is far superior to white also. I've been drinking reds since about 1988, so here a few thoughts:

While I do not subscribe to the white with fish and chicken and red with red meat, there are some food/wine pairings that will bring out the best in a decent or good wine.

Cabernets, high in tannins and typically with chocolate, vanilla, cassis and other "non-fruit" overtones, are best with richer meats (duck, lamb) and heavy sauces. Rodney Strong makes a very nice mid-price Cab. Cabernet Francs also fall in this category.

Equally intense, but more on the fruity side are real Zinfandels (a red-skinned grape with white meat; white Zinfandels are made from the meat only, but the inital efforts of skin removal were half-assed; hence the pink color, and women loved it, so it stuck). Typically full-bodied, they go well with rich tomato sauces, like a Chianti; however, Zinfandels are not as dry to me as Chianti. Try Ravenswood.

Merlot's are more all-purpose, as I've had them with fish, chicken, duck or beef. Usually fruity and less tannic than Cabs, they can also have "non-fruity" overtones. Again, Rodney Strong is good (no, I don't work for them).

Shiraz's are sort of peppery versions of merlots. They go well with spicy chicken and shrimp dishes. Most of the Ozzie shiraz's, such as Rosemount and Penfold's are good; the American counterpart is petite syrah, usually a bit less spicy.

Pinot Noir is the ultimate cross-over wine. Fine with any seafood or even chicken/beef/lamb. In the US, some fine Pinots are made in Washington and Oregon. Try Rabbit Ridge.

If you must drink white, IMO stick to cold pinot grigio. Great with a salad of mixed greens, pear slices and gorgonzola cheese.

Logan

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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:24 am

Charles Shaw!

No more expensive wines for me. I've spend as much as $65.00 on a bottle of wine and the differnece in taste just doesn't justify the high cost.
Charles Shaw Merlot, Shiraz and Cabernet Sauvignon works just fine.
Out here in California it's only $1.99 a bottle. That's cheaper than Cold Duck!
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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:27 am

My favorite right now is the 2004 Louis Jadot Beaujolais
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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:43 am

Quoting Superfly (reply 3):
Charles Shaw!


Well, Superfly is right, in a way. Many wines are very overpriced. Two- or three-buck Chuck, as it is referred to, really isn't too bad, although I stick to the Shiraz as it is the most palatable of the three reds we have here in BOS. Still, there is a noticeable difference between this and most reasonable $10/bottle wines.

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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:45 am

Quoting Superfly (reply 3):
Charles Shaw!


Superfly's a fan of Two Buck Chuck? Interesting - I was expecting Ripple or Thunderbird  Wink/being sarcastic

It depends on the meal for me as I'm a fairly mercenary winedrinker...if it goes with dinner, I'll use it. I'd say for steaks, I want a shiraz or a cabernet sauvignon. When I cook chicken parmesan, I'll drink a valpolicella with it. Otherwise, a Merlot suits me fine like I did last night with pork chops in a hoisin sauce/oyster sauce/dijon mustard marinade. In general, the wines by Hogue Vineyards are pretty good and their Hogue Genesis Merlot is probably the best I've had.

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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:57 am

Garnetpalmetto:
Thunderbird was my drink when I first started college. Then I experimented with various mixed drinks, then graduated to micro-brews.
I am a beer snob and was a wine snob for few years. Then Charles Shaw came along and saved me from expensive wines. Big grin

Keep in mind, wine is very cheap here in San Francisco. So guess there is a even trade off with the high real estate.  Smile
I've seen the same bottle of wine that retails here for $5.99 but sales for $18.99 in Chicago.
A friend of mine in New York, him an his wife are total wine snobs and they visit, they rack up on the wines. Some times they'll fill up an entire suitcase full of wine.

There are many other decent wines that retail for $4-$5 dollars here that cost over $10 in other states.
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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:59 am

Oh and I must save the finest for my special guest.  Big grin

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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 5:21 am

Superfly: ROTFLMAO!!!!

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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 5:27 am

Superfly, what about that wine I brought to San Francisco that one time? I hope you liked that one.

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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:03 am

Quoting BCAInfoSys (reply 0):
So far, in the very cheap category (< $15/bottle), my favorite is the Rosemount Eatate Shiraz (Australia, 2003).


I must agree. Rosemont Shiraz is excellent for the money as is Rosemont Bin 40 Merlot. Those Aussies sure have a way with wine.

BTW BCAInfoSys, where are you paying $15 a bottle for Rosemont? Here in Pa it's $8.99!
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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:33 am

An-225:
Oh yes, that Stalin wine from Georgia S.S.R. was good stuff!  Smokin cool




Logan22L:
That was a popular costume last Halloween. I think the value wines are coming in vogue.
Franzia and Carlos Rossi is also a California wine. They are grown with Central Valley grapes. Not Napa Valley grapes.
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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:38 am

I like the Cote du Rhones, which are usually a blend of syrah and grenache grapes. They tend to be a little bit gamey, making them a good choice for almost any meat.
 
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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:27 am

Chateau Ste. Michelle Cabernet Sauvignon . . . 1978 vintage.

I found a case in Salem, Oregon about 1995. I bought it - funny thing it was at a Costco. I said, hay, whats up with this? Apparently a liquor store had gone out of business and sold the inventory . . . . I was just at the right place at the right time . . . I still have two bottles. Red's ought to hold a bit. Even if they don't, looking at the bottle is cool . . . .

Did I hear someone mention Thunderchicken? Ummmmm, that ain't wine. Ummm, that's preservative in a bottle! Been there done that . . . .  Big thumbs up
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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:46 am

I prefer red as well in general.

I love good Beaujolais, but have found the seasonality tough to contend with at times....I've bought a whole case of it just to have it on hand.

Merlot is my biggest preference.

I wasn't much into wine either until I went to college and worked at a restaurant--they sent me to wine school and it was only then I really got to appreciate wine in general, and I too realized that wine should be enjoyed, not lost in the "snobbery" that often accompanies it.

Like Logan, I would also tell anyone to discount the conventional wisdom of drinking wine, sniffing corks, etc...find what you like, how you like to drink it, and go for it.

Wine.com is a great resource.

One thing to note- I really enjoy both dry and sweeter wines. Some people's preferences on that scale will automatically preclude some varieties, but I love tasting smaller wineries' products, especially the Missouri (Stone Hill in Hermann MO and Winery of the Little Hills in St. Charles, MO), Wisconsin (Wollersheim Winery stands out) and Texas (Llanas) reds that are, in the spirit of their German heritage, more on the sweeter more fruity less dry side.

I personally find most California wines too much on the dry side for most of the things I end up eating it with.

And if you're looking for almost a dessert wine, ice wine is awesome!! Very expensive though, but well worth it, IMO.
 
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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:11 am

Have yet to find a dissapointing 2000 Merlot from Washington State. California had a horrible Merlot year in 2000 while Washington had possibly it's best year ever. Cannot remember the names right this minute, try to post them later.

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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:46 am

Mine is a (gasp!) nice red Australian  Wow! (argh!) Shiraz made by Banrock Station. I've liked that wine for ages.

It has a lovely toffee apple finish to it and loads of fruit.

Gets you pissed fast too.
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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:00 am

I live in 'wine country' Santa Rosa area, and there are more wineries than I can count. Too many to make any good comparisons to a particular wine. There are the big name wineries and a lot of smaller mom and pop places. My personal favorite is Sangiovese. A good friend of mine works at Sebastiani and I can get 'employee' discount if I ask her for a case. Usually 50-70 bucks for a case(six bottles). But over time wineries change with managment. A little while ago Silvia Sebastiani, one of the original family members passed away, leaving her sons to it, so it may or may not go downhill. Mondavi has had some family shakeups as well.

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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:21 am

I am a big fan of Georgian wines.

Khvanchkara
Kindzmarauli
Akhasheni
Mukuzani
Alazanskaya Dolina

And so on. You can't go wrong with any of those wines, but Khvanchkara is my (and Stalin's) favorite  Smile.

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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:46 am

Don't know whether they still do it, but Aeroflot used to serve Georgian wines in business class. They were apparently very good quality.
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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:54 am

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Georgian wine?
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RE: Favorite Red Wine?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:15 am

Currently:

- 'Terrazas de Uco' Cabernet Sauvignon (Luján de Cuyo county, Mendoza)
- 'Trumpeter-Rutini' Malbec (Tupungato county, Mendoza)
- 'Las Trancas' Sirah (Rawson county, San Juan)

BTW, it's Wine season in Mendoza.

Salud.





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