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Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:49 am

With all the "why doesn't" threads around, here are my questions:


Why doesn't:

UA have widebodies from BTV to ORD?
US fly to TLV?
TG fly to Nantucket?
QF fly the 777?
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:50 am

Ummmmm....... Errr........ I give up!
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:02 am

I believe BA are to busy trying to broker a deal on flying to Rapid City to even consider Boise
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:08 am

I have an inside source (my cousin's fiance's ex-husband's former girlfriend) who said that BA was considering service to Elko, NV.
 
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:10 am

 Smile

Now we're talking!
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:16 am

Quoting Fbgdavidson (reply 2):
I believe BA are to busy trying to broker a deal on flying to Rapid City to even consider Boise


LMAO! That was hilarious Fbg!
 
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:21 am

I heard that NW was going to let BA passangers code-share to BOI free of charge as long as BA replaced NW DC-9s... Air France was also considering serving BOI nonstop from CDG, but apparently they havent washed their planes and the state of Idaho clearly states:


Idaho-FAR 91.233
1. No french airline shall operate an aircraft within the state of Idaho unless
(a) the airline has washed their aircraft within the preceeding 60 calendar days (b) the airline has completed an IAA (Idaho Aviation Administration) aircraft cleanliness check within the preceding 30 calendar days, on the exact aircraft being used for services to the state of Idaho.
2. If a french-owned airliner lands in the state of Idaho without the above being met, the airliner will be attacked with Idaho state potatoes for a period of no more than 60 minutes, but no less than 30 minutes. The aircraft will then have to fly outside the state of Idaho to be washed before passengers can disembark in any airport within the state of Idaho


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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:42 am

Due to the generally weak value of Idaho's potato crop in recent years I think that longhaul service to London's Heathrow Airport will not happen.

Interestingly I read an article in the Economist that discussed how inexpensive ethnic foods, kebabs, baguette sandwiches, Thai, Indian, and Chinese take-away is having a negative impact on the Chip shop industry in great London. Given the amount that most Londoners drink on any given night, it has been historically common to go to the "chippy" after getting piss faced. But these days your average drunken Londoner has a myriad of choices to pick from. Because of this global demand for potatoes has fallen to a 25 year low. Which has just caused such economic strife in the local Boise potato community.
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:45 am

It is on BA's plan to open a direct route from LHR to BOI according to my sources (high ranked).
According also to my sources the flight will be operated daily by a B777.
However, the deal is subject to the following conditions as many foreign airlines complained to both the DOT and the British Aviation Authorities of unfair competetion. The opening of this route is tied to the opening of the following routes by the following airlines :
VS : LGW- BKO
SYRIAN AIR : DAM-TGU
MEA : BEY- KGL
AA : MCI-BJM
DL : MSY-ADD
US : PHL- BEN
UA : SEA-LUN
SV : JED-LPB
GF : BAH-PPG
and many others . Of course all the above flights should be operated on a daily basis with aircraft capacity matching BA's .

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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:55 am

Who cares? Is St. Louis the next focus city for Northwest Airlines after they go all CRJ at IND when jetBlue starts its Midwest hub there? Or do you think jetBlue is going to Cincinnati to beat Southwest to the punch?
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:59 am

Actually BOI was the last stop on the MAN-LHR-Farmville, Va-Deming, NM-Blanding, UT-BOI trip flown by VC-10's back in the 70's  Wink
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:16 am

Silly boys. It's well-known throughout the aviation community the only profitable routing would be a tag onto their LHR-GRU service.
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:27 am

Oh and think of the possibilities afforded by the 772LR - BOI could be served direct from Australia on a new BA LHR-SYD-BOI-LHR route.

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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:48 am

April Fools day is just 27 days away...can't the frenzy wait?  Wink
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:58 am

Hey everyone, this is my first post to the forum. I'm glad to be here.

Word from the corporate hotshots at "big potato" is that there's money moving under the table for BA to buy the 787. Perfect for daily runs to BOI from LHR and MAN! That should put all BA 787 questions to rest.
 
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:02 am

yeah... and i hear B6 will start flying E190s to LAF, restoring commercial service a year after AA pulled its J31 service to STL  rotfl 
 
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:20 am

Word from the corporate hotshots at "big potato" is that there's money moving under the table for BA to buy the 787. Perfect for daily runs to BOI from LHR and MAN! That should put all BA 787 questions to rest.

No, no, no. The latest is that the State of Idaho and Boise WERE going to buy a 787 for BA to use out of BOI. But then Boise State said they wanted to expand their football stadium. So the BA deal fell through because the decision was made in favor of the stadium since everyone knows that spending money on football is more important than air service.  liar 
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:27 am

Quoting TWA902fly (reply 6):
Idaho-FAR 91.233
1. No french airline shall operate an aircraft within the state of Idaho unless
(a) the airline has washed their aircraft within the preceeding 60 calendar days (b) the airline has completed an IAA (Idaho Aviation Administration) aircraft cleanliness check within the preceding 30 calendar days, on the exact aircraft being used for services to the state of Idaho.
2. If a french-owned airliner lands in the state of Idaho without the above being met, the airliner will be attacked with Idaho state potatoes for a period of no more than 60 minutes, but no less than 30 minutes. The aircraft will then have to fly outside the state of Idaho to be washed before passengers can disembark in any airport within the state of Idaho


You forgot #3.
3. All French-owned aircraft must serve Idaho Potatoes and rename their 'fries' Freedom Fries. It must appear in English (first), French and "Cowboy" on the menu.
 
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:30 am

The real reason is that Mark Fuhrman(for those remember him) will not allow any carrier that does not display the American flag into Idaho.
 
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:58 am

Regarding the BOI-LHR service. I have a source within BA Ops Center who's Dad's roommate in the college said that he overheard a ex-Volare pilot tell him BA was not able to start the service as desired. Apparently QX has blocked the service with the DOT.
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:02 am

Now, I've heard a new rumour -- and it sounds very believable -- BA will operate first to FNT (for Michigan red skinned potatoes) and then on to Boise -- the London market wants both. Originally, they considered MSB first (better potatoes), but the final decision was FNT
 
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:53 am

Yes, and Boeing has all its top talent working on the world's first composite spud locker. It's 20% more efficient than traditional designs.
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:54 am

Why would a member of the 'A' Team want to serve a used car dealer from 'Only Fools and Horses' with anything anyway?

What? You mean that wasn't the right interpretation of the question? Surely the aviation related interpretation makes even less sense...
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:08 am

Heck, this is one interesting thread.

Why doesnt AA begin services to MIA from FLL, being so close and such popular destinations in Florida?
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:15 am

I've heard that Korean air is starting service(seasonal) ICN-BOI-ENW. Almost too good to be true....
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:42 am

Quoting B752fanatic (reply 23):
Why doesnt AA begin services to MIA from FLL, being so close and such popular destinations in Florida?


Actually they did for awhile as did DL. AA did DFW-MIA-FLL. DL did several. ATL-MIA-FLL; YUL-MIA-FLL; SFO-MIA-FLL.

Then they stopped that service so they could beat BA into BOI!! They needed the aircraft to do that service.  Smile
 
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:57 am

Best thread ever in A.net...


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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:04 am

The real question should be:

Why would anyone serve Boise?  Smile

I spent a month there one weekend, ugh.
 
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:10 am

Quoting Accargo (reply 27):
The real question should be:

Why would anyone serve Boise?


Because its the potato capital of the US?

Probably  Smile
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:00 am

I just overheard a pilot talking to a stripper in Bourbon Street that the first BA wide body flight to Boise will be a A380  drunk 
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:12 am

Quoting TWA902fly (reply 6):
Air France was also considering serving BOI nonstop from CDG, but apparently they havent washed their planes



Your post is quite funny and I had a good laugh, but based on my experirence of cabins on US domestic flights, you might be skating on thin ice talking about aircraft cleanliness.
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:14 am

BA cannot serve Boise because of the lack of landing slots. The deal is, the UK opens up LHR to the US airlines, and the US opens Boise to BA.
 
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:51 am

Quoting Juventus (reply 31):
BA cannot serve Boise because of the lack of landing slots. The deal is, the UK opens up LHR to the US airlines, and the US opens Boise to BA.


Excellent! ROTFL  rotfl 
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:00 pm

Well currently, Independence Air is working with AirAsia to joint operate an DH A340-500/AK 777-200LR to link BKK/KUL to IAD with both LCC systems. seats will be sold at as low as 759 RM and 200 USD each way.
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:00 pm

Hmmmm... I thought it was going to be LHR-STP, then codeshare with XJ from STP to MSP, then codeshare with NW to BOI. I must have misunderstood the press release.

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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:06 pm

Quoting Alb222 (reply 25):
Actually they did for awhile as did DL. AA did DFW-MIA-FLL. DL did several. ATL-MIA-FLL; YUL-MIA-FLL; SFO-MIA-FLL


Now just wait one second, Mr. SmartyPants. The state of Florida would have never granted cabotage to an airline with its country of registry being Texas! Proof! I want a source!!  Smile
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:07 pm

BULLETIN.............BULLETIN...................BULLETIN

It has been reported that BA is sending 102 representatives to Boise to introduce them to bangers and mash in the hope that by getting the Boise population behind them, BA can start service with hourly potato shuttles to keep the Brits in their mash!!
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:41 pm

Actually, our illustrious airport director ( Mr Anderson) and mayor (Mr Beiter), want Virgin Atlantic to service Boise, due to the more 'family value oriented" name. It would appeal more to our local LDS-Mormon- Church of Jesus Christ Latter day Saints. They think 'Virgin' will help keep the premarital sex rate down here!

Anyway, whoever starts the nonstops to the UK, the new International Passenger Facility is going to be located at Mountain Home AFB, and then taxi the 40 miles to BOI!!

Also, Portland.ME is screaming for a stop between Flint and London to throw on their Maine potatoes.
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:58 pm

did any of you see the new press release from Ryanair? codesharing with WN on STN-BWI-MDW. No food, no water, no IFE, though you can buy a warm washcloth for $10.
 
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:05 pm

BA service to that best-kept-secret-in-the-west metropolis of Boise might well rank right up there with something that Neil Armstrong muttered about being "one giant leap for mankind". I'm surprised that Sir Richard Branson has allowed BA the prospect of being "first" from Jolly Olde England to initiate this service.

Maybe they will both try to start the service... let the competition begin !
Besides, if BA uses a 777 and Virgin uses an A340 series plane... then everybody can start another A vs. B thread about the salient attributes of each type.

But this is only the beginning. It's gonna get much more intense ! Boise is fine, yeah... but everybody knows that if you really want to head out to the big big potato country... you gotta head east to such miserable little townships such as Pocatello.... which is the epicenter of nowhere ! So let's see who can really make it big with the regional commuter services in this daring new venture.......  Smile
 
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:44 pm

Not much different than the CivAv threads . . . .  crazy 
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:15 am

I think it's a lack of an Open Skies agreement myself.
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:55 pm

Oh your killin me here!  Wink


Quoting B752fanatic (reply 28):
Quoting Accargo (reply 27):
The real question should be:

Why would anyone serve Boise?


Because its the potato capital of the US?

Probably


Actually some truth...Boise is not the potato capital of the US...eastern Idaho is, if I remember correctly. Relative to Idaho, Boise is not even close to the potato farms and stuff like that.

I wish BA served Boise  Sad.

Actually the question should be...Who doesn't want to serve Boise. :P

(Just Kidding of course, and I'm a dreamin')

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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:03 pm

Branson is rumored to be starting VirginBoise with Concorde Combi service from

BOI - BIL .

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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:13 pm

You all forgot the biggest reason why Boise should be served by BA or at least have London nonstops. Think about it. What language is spoken by almost everyone in Boise?

ENGLISH!

After all, if people think Air France should serve New Orleans, why can't BA come to Idaho? How many threads have argued that a certain city should be served by a foreign carrier because of a significant native language speaking population?
 
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:54 pm

Quoting Juventus (reply 31):
BA cannot serve Boise because of the lack of landing slots. The deal is, the UK opens up LHR to the US airlines, and the US opens Boise to BA.


No, no - that's just what they WANT you to think. The actual problem is the never-before revealed secret clause in Bermuda 2 that restricts access by US carriers to CWL until the US opens up reciprocal bilateral air service to BOI. This is the real reason no US carrier serves CWL, it's nothing to do with the fact that CWL is a hole in the ground and nobody wants to go there. US carriers for years have been proposing CWL service, but because of this bilateral restriction, they have been unable to do so. If this restriction were lifted tomorrow, we'd soon see...

AA DFW-CWL daily 763
AA ORD-CWL twice daily 777
CO EWR-CWL twice daily 777
DL JFK-CWL daily 763
DL ATL-CWL daily 777
UA IAD-CWL twice daily 777
HP PHX-CWL daily A320 (tech stops at YWG, SFJ, KEF, LPL)

However because of the threat of Colorado beetle infestation, mad cow disease and health-and-safety fears of layover crews dying of boredom, the US has so far restricted UK carrier BOI service, and so CWL remains woefully underserved.
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Mon Mar 07, 2005 8:08 pm

Quoting Ihadapheo (reply 43):
Branson is rumored to be starting VirginBoise with Concorde Combi service from


Michael Jackson will apparently be a regular traveller with VirginBoise...
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Tue Mar 08, 2005 3:54 am

Quoting Gkirk (reply 46):
Michael Jackson will apparently be a regular traveller with VirginBoise..


Ahh yes that would be the commuter versions VirginBois, Full meal service featuring "Chicken" on all flights from BOI
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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:42 am

Hahahaha, this is the funniest a.net thread in a while, thanks for the kick guys  rotfl .

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RE: Why Doesn't BA Serve Boise?

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