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MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:59 am

Just a little heads up. Appears there is an MSN worm/virus going round this evening. You get a message from someone in your list and the message is along the lines of 'omg this is so funny' with a hyperlink that has a .pif extension.

If you click on it then it sends it on to everyone in your list and I've had it from a few people tonight.

I'm guilty (shame on me) although if you have XP SP2 the firewall will then block a programme giving you the option to kill whatever it was trying to do. Obviously don't let it run!
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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:01 am

I have had it from 2 people. I hope it hasn't caused any damage.
 
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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:10 am

Hmm.. i learnt my mistake first time around..
Funnily that the person who sent me the worm first time tried to send me it the second time... last time i trust him!!
My PC just got over the first worm incident..
Beware!!
 
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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:16 am

Quoting AvianceGirlUK (reply 2):
My PC just got over the first worm incident..


well just about anyway  Wink
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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Exten

Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:24 am

Quoting Fbgdavidson (reply 0):
although if you have XP SP2 the firewall


In this case, a firewall does not really help, let alone that crappy XP SP2 firewall. Better choose something decent like Zonealarm. The Windows "firewall" is notorious for leaving one certain port wide open, thus helping Hackers to have a field day.

Or buy a Mac to surf the net.

For Win-Users:
Probe your ports: https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
Zonealarm: http://www.zonealarm.com/

Edit, sorry, can't make this https-link work, here.

[Edited 2005-03-06 23:26:55]
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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:25 am

Haven't jad it yet, which is very surprising, but good Smile lol

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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:50 am

just got it then, didn't see this though! i clicked on the link and it went to d/l but i clicked cancel instead, will it still have gotten into my pc?
 
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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:21 am

Qantas077, You'll soon find out if you have it  Sad I read the extension and made the mistake of thinking .pif might be some form of graphic file (like a .gif). If you have Yahoo Mail you won't be able to log onto it although you can use the backdoor through Yahoo Messenger ok. I don't have any specific anti-virus software although my housemates recommended AVG (Google it) when he got a similar thing which is currently running.

AvianceGirlUK, what did you use to get rid of it? How long did it take? I don't think I can sign into MSN at the moment because I've been told it fires off the message to everyone in my list every time I do so. I'm OK on AIM and Yahoo Messenger though.
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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:31 am

Quoting NoUFO (reply 4):
Or buy a Mac to surf the net.


Sorry to ask but what the hell is the deal with these Macs? Are they really safer than normal PCs/notebooks? Will they never get a worm/virus when you surf the net? And if yes, why?

I need a new notebook and I am really considering a Mac since I read a lot of positive stuff about them here and one of my fellow mod colleagues also told me that he is very satisfied with his Mac.

Are the Mac programs easy to learn? Actually I know Windows and other Microsoft products since many years (+10 years when Excel was still known as Multiplan) and I don't want to learn everything new.

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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:32 am

Search Symantec, they should have a removal tool.


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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Exten

Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:01 am

Sabena, I use both systems and I'm not one of those flag-waving Mac-evangelists. You can safely surf the net using a PC, but that requires some knowledge and caution you don't need for a Mac.

You should still use a firewall, and maybe even an AV-program, but yes, there are hardly any worms and very few (if any) viruses in the wild that could harm your Mac. This is for two reasons:
- Only few people use a Mac but virus-programmers want to harm as many people as possible. They simply don't bother.
- The build-in protection of a Mac is significantly higher than that of a PC.

Quoting Sabena332 (reply 8):
Are the Mac programs easy to learn? Actually I know Windows and other Microsoft products since many years (+10 years when Excel was still known as Multiplan) and I don't want to learn everything new.


This really should not be much of a problem. You can open your XLS and DOC documents on a Mac, and the user interfaces are pretty much the same.
You'll need to learn some key short-cuts (mostly replacing Strg on your Win keyboard with the Apple/command key on the (slightly inferior) Mac keyboard).
The keys Alt, AltGr, Strg(Ctrl) work differently, and there is (surprise) no Windows but an Apple key. (I.e., the @ hides behind Alt+L).

"Verknüpfungen" are called Aliases, the right mouse click equals a Ctrl+Click on a Mac. That's about it.

No matter what Mac-Evangelists say, you may miss some Windows software that is available for free. In some cases, Macianer have to buy shareware and there is less to choose from.
What's even worse: Most times I work with Adobe and Macromedia software (such as Flash and Photoshop) and both obviously have thinned out their Mac-development compartments. Flash is notoriously buggy on a Mac. Authorware doesn't even exist.

But neither Word nor Excel should be a problem.

[Edited 2005-03-07 03:05:01]
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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:08 am

Sabena332: Sorry to ask but what the hell is the deal with these Macs? Are they really safer than normal PCs/notebooks? Will they never get a worm/virus when you surf the net? And if yes, why?

No existing system is absolutely safe in theory; But in practice there simply isn´t any known malware around which could infect MacOS X.

We´ve had a few discussions about the whys, but it´s simply a fact.

Reasonable caution should still be taken regardless, but at this time none of the thousands of active worms, viruses or trojans can affect a Mac.

Of course there are some differences to Windows, but most people who have given the Mac a chance couldn´t imagine going back. The transition is rather easy in most cases.

MacOS is quite a bit more user-friendly than Windows, so you´ll find many tasks that have been chores before can be easy or even fun.
 
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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:11 am

Quoting NoUFO (reply 10):
This is for two reasons:
- Only few people use a Mac but virus-programmers want to harm as many people as possible. They simply don't bother.
- The build-in protection of a Mac is significantly higher than that of a PC.


Ah, sounds logical but I never thought about this before.

Thanks for your detailed explanation, to buy a Mac sounds actually very good! Well, I have to safe a little bit more money before I can get rid of my nasty desktop PC (I have to use it since my girlfriend managed it to kick my notebook from the desk).

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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:12 am

the greatest strength of windows, its flexibility, is also its greatest weakness as programmers can use that to their advantage..
 
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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Exten

Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:17 am

Quoting Klaus (reply 11):
MacOS is quite a bit more user-friendly than Windows, so you´ll find many tasks that have been chores before can be easy or even fun.


Often overrated IMHO. Many people who use Macs simply do not know how Windows works. This goes for those weirdos who write the guidelines for software installation as well: According to them, only 2 steps are required for the Mac, but 5 to 7 for Windows. Utter nonsense.

Macintoshs can be awkward bastards for developers, especially those who work on both systems.
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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:19 am

Jfkaua: the greatest strength of windows, its flexibility, is also its greatest weakness as programmers can use that to their advantage..

It doesn´t exceed any other systems in flexibility. It´s just poorly designed.
 
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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:25 am

NoUFO: Many people who use Macs simply do not know how Windows works.

I´ve used enough of Windows (and have had to do trouble-shooting on enough people´s systems) to know the difference...


NoUFO: This goes for those weirdos who write the guidelines for software installation as well: According to them, only 2 steps are required for the Mac, but 5 to 7 for Windows. Utter nonsense.

"2"? What´s the other one?  Wink
Simply drag the program into your application folder. Done.


NoUFO: Macintoshs can be awkward bastards for developers, especially those who work on both systems.

It´s not awkward unless the only system you´re used to is Windows...
 
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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:32 am

Quoting Klaus (reply 16):
Simply drag the program into your application folder. Done.


Many programs have installation routines just like the Windows versions. The two steps:
1) Throw in CD
2) double-click on the program icon
2a) follow instructions

Windows:
1) Throw in CD
2) Follow instructions

Quoting Klaus (reply 16):
It´s not awkward unless the only system you´re used to is Windows...


My first Mac came in in 1997 - comparatively late, true, I have used PCs for the last 16 or 17 years. And yes, Macs can be awkward bastards.
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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:05 pm

Guys back to the point, the Worm, anyone know if theres a removal tool out yet?

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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:38 am

My friend got one that said "Crazy frog gets hit by train," that destroyed all his files.

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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:30 am

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Thread starter):
Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

No shit.

Are people actually that naive? Do you folks really open .pif or .exe files you receive online, without even running them through the latest anti virus software available? No wonder viruses and worms spread so quickly.
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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:49 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 21):
Are people actually that naive? Do you folks really open .pif or .exe files you receive online, without even running them through the latest anti virus software available? No wonder viruses and worms spread so quickly

Well in my case I was talking to the person at the time so just thought it was part of the dialogue, I wouldn't have clicked on it had it been an .exe file although I thought .pif was some sort of image file....like .gif or .tiff

Now I don't click on anything someone sends in MSN conversation and instead if it is funny/important enough I'll ask them to send it to me by email at that moment in time. (although never open anything in an email without verifying it with someone first) So uncool, but then viruses are so destructive you need to be.
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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:10 am

I think more viruses are trying to be spread via people adding you to there contacts? I have had at least 8 "people" add me onto there contacts with names such as 'big and horny' or 'Madonna' . All the emails are not recognized by me and my email is not on sites such as face party or anything....

If you get the same my advice would be no to accept them...
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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:40 am

Sadly, I've got that file...
The only thing is, the version i've got won't let you download anything anti-virus related. You type mcafee or virus into google and it shuts Internet Explorer down. Try to load up Mcafee...It's shuts itself down. Does anyone have any idea how to kill it? It won't let me go onto the symantec website to download the file to kill it.

As some might say...Rhaa!!!

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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Fri Mar 18, 2005 4:51 am

Richard, I finally got rid of it by buying AVG Pro, like you I couldn't download anything either (Security settings in Internet Explorer changed) so I had to download stuff onto another computer in the house and move it using USB flash key. I had no Anti-Virus software before this as I thought I was clever enough not to need it (duh! only asses click and get a virus!) so I don't know how it affects McAfee.

AVG Pro is about £40 although I couldn't get it in PC World or Comet type places. I had to find one of those specialist computer places in the skanky mall in Southampton where it is obvious they don't have enough money to window dress! There is an option to download it but obviously your computer won't allow it in its current state

Good luck to you! Something makes me think the ant-virus companies write these bastard things in order to get schmucks like me buy their software!
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RE: MSN Worm: Don't Click Anything With .pif Extension

Sat Mar 19, 2005 3:44 am

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 25):
Something makes me think the ant-virus companies write these bastard things in order to get schmucks like me buy their software!

Funnily enough, thats exactly what one of my friends said! Well, i guess i'll try your usb key trick, although my friend (who got the bug off me) said her AOL Browser would let her go on virus websites, so i might try MSN Explorer.
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