MaverickM11
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"Economically Disadvantaged Groups"

Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:35 am

I'm reading through a contract here and there's a section that states the following...."one of the following economically disadvantaged groups: Black, American Indian, Hispanics or Orientals"

First of all...who uses "Orientals"...ever? And since when are they economically disadvantaged? And is it not hypocritical to assume that all members of a given group are economically disadvantaged?

Discuss.
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RE: "Economically Disadvantaged Groups"

Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:09 am

First of all, anyone is capable of being economically disadvataged. Soem people obviously think they're special.
 
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RE: "Economically Disadvantaged Groups"

Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:16 am

Asian-Americans as a whole are the wealthiest ethnic group in the US.
 
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RE: "Economically Disadvantaged Groups"

Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:32 am

Typically most state and federal definitions of "economically disadvantaged" is based soley on income. Never seen a racial/ethnic dimension added to it, nor do I think there should be.

Where did you see this?
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RE: "Economically Disadvantaged Groups"

Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:55 am

"Where did you see this?"

A state contract, ironically....
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RE: "Economically Disadvantaged Groups"

Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:02 pm

Quoting N5176Y (Reply 2):
Asian-Americans as a whole are the wealthiest ethnic group in the US.

And nearly 80% of them (if memory serves) have a B.S./B.A. or greater in education. That may be the correlation.

While about 10% of all African Americans have college degrees. Money and attitude is key to development of minorities, the Asians prove positive of this. They have favored rapid assimilation into America rather than attempting to distinguish themselves like less successful minorities.

If positivism and stronger work ethics in education flourish amongst African-Americans, Hispanics and Native Americans there are no bounds to improvement of their respective people.
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RE: "Economically Disadvantaged Groups"

Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:14 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
A state contract, ironically....

Oh yes, the DBE... AKA...Minority owned business clause.
 
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RE: "Economically Disadvantaged Groups"

Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:14 pm

Asian-Americans as a whole are the wealthiest ethnic group in the US.

I think this because 1) they tend to pool their money. Ever been to the home of many Orientals? A 4 bedroom house might have a dozen adults living there. Also, they are thrifty, almost to a fault. Those who think that the Jews can squeeze a nickel until the buffalo shits has never dealt with an Asian.

Second, I agree that it's preposterpous to suggest that any one group is inheriantly "disadvantaged". You are what you make yourself.

While about 10% of all African Americans have college degrees. Money and attitude is key to development of minorities, the Asians prove positive of this. They have favored rapid assimilation into America rather than attempting to distinguish themselves like less successful minorities

BINGO...you hit the nail on the head. I think it's about 30% money and 70% attitude. The Asians, not being stupid, have mastered the art of making honest success any way they can, which is why at least here in SoCal, it is not at all unusual to see Japanese owned pizza parlors or Korean hamburger stands.
 
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RE: "Economically Disadvantaged Groups"

Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:15 pm

Asian Americans also have extremely strong family-ties (how many Asians do you see in nursing homes?), good health and diet, and an entrepreneurial spirit.
 
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RE: "Economically Disadvantaged Groups"

Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:36 pm

"Oh yes, the DBE... AKA...Minority owned business clause."

Yep.
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RE: "Economically Disadvantaged Groups"

Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:39 pm

Agenices that administer set-asides and other affirmative action programs find it much easier if the programs are based on race/ethnicity. It's immediately apparent whether or not an applicant is eligible. Programs based on economic disadvantage are far more difficult to administer, as there are no clear lines and proving one's qualifications can be controversial.
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RE: "Economically Disadvantaged Groups"

Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:46 pm

"Programs based on economic disadvantage are far more difficult to administer, as there are no clear lines and proving one's qualifications can be controversial.
"

Sad...and ironic...but true....
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RE: "Economically Disadvantaged Groups"

Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:17 pm

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 3):
Typically most state and federal definitions of "economically disadvantaged" is based soley on income. Never seen a racial/ethnic dimension added to it, nor do I think there should be.

In Texas, they're called HUB Vendors which stands for Historically Underutilized Business. A business can register as a HUB if it is owned by anyone who is from a non-white ethnic group including Hispanics or is female. State agencies are required by law to do a certain percentage of their business with HUB vendors but some agencies require 100% (or as close to it as possible) of business be done with HUB vendors even if it means higher costs, poor service, and even causes serious safety problems. (A division in the agency I work for was using a HUB for vehicle repair and the business was doing very poor work and nearly cost one employee their life. After that we've been allowed to use whichever repair shop we think is the best.) The agency I work for buys Dells for its computer needs but we can't buy them directly through Dell. We have to go through a middle man because Dell isn't a HUB and the middle man is. It adds about 10%-15% to the price of each computer.

The stupid thing is most HUB vendors are not "historically underutilized" but simply put in the wife's, mother's, or daughter's name and thus is a "HUB Vendor" and get state business.
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RE: "Economically Disadvantaged Groups"

Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:51 pm

Matt D,

I think your statements are completely off the mark on the living/spending habits of Asian Americans.

I know many Asian Americans who have huge homes (5-7 bedrooms) while there are only 4 people living in them. Furthermore, if they have the money, they are driving nice cars, have nice vacations and generally spend money like everyone else.
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RE: "Economically Disadvantaged Groups"

Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:11 pm

Quoting Matt D (Reply 7):
I think this because 1) they tend to pool their money. Ever been to the home of many Orientals? A 4 bedroom house might have a dozen adults living there. Also, they are thrifty, almost to a fault. Those who think that the Jews can squeeze a nickel until the buffalo shits has never dealt with an Asian.

While the first part of your statement is a little iffy, I agree with you on the second one. Asians, and even Indians (I see this in my own family) tend to be be careful of how they spend their money. Of course there are always different degrees of this among families.
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