panam330
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Why The Rediculous Prices For Cars In UK?!

Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:17 am

Just out of curiosity, why the hell is a Chrysler Grand Voyager (Town & Country for those in the US) $66,000 dollars in the UK, where here in the United States the same thing is $33,000?! Does Chrysler not want their fine vehicles to sell in the UK or something  Wink? This strikes me as surprising, but I suppose there is nothing anybody can do about it. Also, what is this stuff about CO2 taxes and other such fees? Why do they exist in the UK and not in the US?
 
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RE: Why The Rediculous Prices For Cars In UK?!

Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:24 am

Quoting PanAm330 (Thread starter):
Also, what is this stuff about CO2 taxes and other such fees?

A CO2 tax is, I suppose, a tax that goes by the amount of CO2 a car emits while travelling a certain distance. The more greenhouse gas your car emits, the more taxes you pay.

Quoting PanAm330 (Thread starter):
Why do they exist in the UK and not in the US?

Did you really ask that?
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RE: Why The Rediculous Prices For Cars In UK?!

Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:49 am

I did indeed. Since the US is sooo environmentally conscious, I don't see why lawmakers haven't introduced such a tax here as well. It's not like I'm eager to pay it or anything. Quite the contrary, actually. But it'll keep those idiots with monstrous SUVs off the road, or driving smaller cars.
 
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RE: Why The Rediculous Prices For Cars In UK?!

Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:51 am

The most important difference is the exchange rate. This is despite that some of those models are assembled in Austria (by Styer-Puch), and you can get diesel engines, which we cannot get in the USA. Currently 1 UKP = $1.90 USD
While we don't have CO2 or similar special taxes, there are annual taxes in some states (1%-6% of the retail price or est market price for a car after the 1st year and in addition to the registration fees) or registration fees based on the value of the vehicle. In some cases, the weight of the car is used to determine the registration fee. Some states do give discounts on taxes or registration fees for electric or hybred cars. Our prices also do not include any State Sales Taxes, which can very from none in some states or 3-almost 9% on the price paid for the car. Your prices include 17% GST/VAT.
 
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RE: Why The Rediculous Prices For Cars In UK?!

Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:11 pm

Start comparing more run of the mill vehicles in the UK like the Ford Focus or VW Golf...

The unfavorable exchange rate between the dollar and pound is the main reason why car prices look so much more expensive in the UK. The other reason is that those prices are VAT and (usually) registration and 1st insurance included. You'll often see on UK autosites OTR (on the road) prices. whereas in the US tax, title, license, and insurance are not inclusive... not to mention dealer processing fees of varying amounts from reasonable to not reasonable. You'll find the same on the continent as well... if you do the conversion from the Euro to the US Dollar.
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RE: Why The Rediculous Prices For Cars In UK?!

Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:11 pm

"Why The Rediculous Prices For Cars In UK?!"

This is a very good point!

Me and a friend were discussing the rental car that we had in the US, which was a BMW 330i. Seen below:



Over in the US it retailed out at about $35,000 (£18,000) where as in the UK it starts out at £29,000 ($56,000). This was with no options of course!

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 4):
Start comparing more run of the mill vehicles in the UK like the Ford Focus or VW Golf...

The Focus in the US ranges from about $14,000-$19,000 (£7,300-£10,000) where as in the UK prices tend to range from £12,000-£16,500 ($23,000-$32,000).

The VW Golf in the US ranges from about $16,000-$21,000 (£8,400-£11,000) and the "GTI" is around $19,500-$23,000 (£10,100-£12,000) where as the UK prices tend to range from £11,995-£22,000 ($23,000-$43,000) ("GTI" inclusive in those ranges.)

Ok, so lets compare something very American. The Chrysler PT Cruiser for example!

In the US you would typically pay $14,200-$24,000 (£7,400-£12,500) over here in sunny England you would be looking at around £13,000-£17,300 ($25,000-$33,000).

Now as we can see, prices are horrendously cheaper in the USA. Regardless of what car you are buying, the savings made are incredible!

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Justin 

Edit: Now we know why Americans can spend soo much cash on their teeth!  footinmouth   snaggletooth 

[Edited 2005-03-20 12:27:24]
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BA380
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RE: Why The Rediculous Prices For Cars In UK?!

Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:22 pm

another example of rip-off Britain.........

PanAm 330 - I presume you are being sarcastic about the US being environmentally friendly?
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RE: Why The Rediculous Prices For Cars In UK?!

Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:37 pm

Car prices ridiculous in UK? Not at all!!! Oh well, they are... ridiculously cheap that is  Silly

Prices of VW Golf in Denmark:

  • Golf 1.4 V16 DKK 224.000 - that's apprx. EUR 30.000, £ 21.000 $ 40.000
  • Golf 2,0 GTI DKK 408.000 - that's apprx. EUR 55.000, £ 38.000 $ 73.000


Now be lucky that in UK you have cheap cars and stop complaining  Wink

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 2):
Since the US is sooo environmentally conscious,

Nothing personal nor I wan't to start anything (so I shouldn't say this, but...) that is the best joke I have heard in a while  Wink
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RE: Why The Rediculous Prices For Cars In UK?!

Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:07 pm

Quoting PanAm330 (Thread starter):
Also, what is this stuff about CO2 taxes and other such fees? Why do they exist in the UK and not in the US?

That's Road Tax, we've had it for a long time. Nowadays it is tailored to the CO2 emissions of the car. Less emissions, less tax. It isn't tailored to engine size as it once was, so larger engines can have different tax bands depending on emissions.

Britain now has widely available cleaner fuel too, low sulphur City Diesel and Low Sulphur Petrol.

Quoting DABZF (Reply 7):
Now be lucky that in UK you have cheap cars and stop complaining

Car prices in Britain have dropped substantially in the last fifteen years or so compared to earnings. A Polo which I bought seven years ago would now cost me over £1000 less in actual pound coins for the same specification and engine size.

I'm currently car shopping and what I paid 3 years ago for an Astra is roughly what I would pay today if adjusted for inflation (about 6%) but with even more toys thrown in.
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RE: Why The Rediculous Prices For Cars In UK?!

Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:23 pm

Not just cars, we seem to pay over the odds for everything. Food, drink, petrol, DVDs, electrical equipment.
 
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RE: Why The Rediculous Prices For Cars In UK?!

Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:50 am

Well, at least you can import 2nd hand cars from Japan at a good price.
US seem to have low price on motor vehicles, the Mazda RX8 is definitly
another example of this...
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RE: Why The Rediculous Prices For Cars In UK?!

Mon Mar 21, 2005 4:09 am

Quoting BA380 (Reply 6):
PanAm 330 - I presume you are being sarcastic about the US being environmentally friendly?

You caught me red handed  trophy !

Quoting DABZF (Reply 7):
Car prices ridiculous in UK? Not at all!!! Oh well, they are... ridiculously cheap that is  

Prices of VW Golf in Denmark:

Golf 1.4 V16 DKK 224.000 - that's apprx. EUR 30.000, £ 21.000 $ 40.000
Golf 2,0 GTI DKK 408.000 - that's apprx. EUR 55.000, £ 38.000 $ 73.000

That's even worse. Who in their right mind would fork over that kind of cash for a friggen Golf  Wink?!

Anyways, thanks for all the replys everyone. Helped me understand the different ways things are done around the world a little bit.

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