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Chirac Presses The UK Over Rebate

Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:02 pm

http://www.politics.co.uk/foreign-po...s-britain-over-rebate-$8106645.htm

So Chirac wants us to give up £3 billion which the EU owes us.
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RE: Chirac Presses The UK Over Rebate

Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:06 pm

Can you add a little million pounds for me ?  Smile






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RE: Chirac Presses The UK Over Rebate

Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:08 pm

Given that the UK is a net contributor, and a contributor that pays two and a half times the amount France contributes. Perhaps if France gets its economy inline with EU policy, he can start to moan about the Brits.

This all stems from the antiquated, pointless CAP. The entire rebate came about because Britain gets surprisingly little from the huge EU farm subsidy pot (though it's still a vast amount). If Chirac wanted to have a bit more credibility, he could have called for the much-needed reform of the CAP. The fact he merely went after the rebate shows exactly what his motives are.
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RE: Chirac Presses The UK Over Rebate

Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:21 pm

The same reason why Germany want´s to reduce EU payments. Most of it disappears in agricultural subsidies, which don´t affect Germany since it is an industrial country. The subsidies are now mostly used to keep small, uneconomic family farms running to preserve a lifestyle.

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RE: Chirac Presses The UK Over Rebate

Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:44 pm

This is rare, but for once, I actually agree with my President !!!

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RE: Chirac Presses The UK Over Rebate

Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:51 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 2):
Given that the UK is a net contributor, and a contributor that pays two and a half times the amount France contributes.

???

France's contribution in 2003 : 15906483003 Euros
UK's contribution in 2003 : 11481231294 Euros

That's the state contributions.

The conditions of redistribution (which lead to the "net contribution") have been modified not to handicap too much UK due to its smaller agriculture and its strong industry. The normal rules would have been much harder for you.
 
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RE: Chirac Presses The UK Over Rebate

Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:02 am

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 5):
France's contribution in 2003 : 15906483003 Euros
UK's contribution in 2003 : 11481231294 Euros

That's the state contributions.

Which is a bit misleading. The UK consistently pays more to the EU per capita than France and Italy (although not Germany). France gets much more out of the (unfair, pointless, ridiculous) CAP than the UK does, hence the rebate to attempt to compensate the UK.

Britain is the second largest per capita contributer to the EU, and isn't the second largest economy.
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RE: Chirac Presses The UK Over Rebate

Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:54 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 6):
Britain is the second largest per capita contributer to the EU, and isn't the second largest economy

Well, not quite. The UK and France are pretty much at level pegging, and a lot of it depends on where in the economic cycle each country is. Though it is fair to say that the UK will overtake France on a slightly more permanent basis (in the medium term) in the next two or three years unless France's growth rate dramatically improves. So, saying the UK is the second largest economy in the EU is pretty much fair comment.

However, that minor point aside, you are entirely correct to point up the disparity in what the UK gets back. This isn't a modern thing either, even when the UK's economy was about as healthy as a graveyard, and France was doing extremely well, the French still received far more of the pot back, mainly through the CAP. It was this, of course, that led Thatcher to bang her handbag on the table saying "I want my money back".

This particular "request" from Chirac comes agains the backdrop of the Commission wishing their budget to be increased from 1% of GDP to 1.8% of GDP, something the main paymasters (i.e. Germany, Holland and the UK) have told them to get stuffed about. This is the French gambit to head off any proposed increase whilst still giving the Commission a £3 billion budget increase without France paying a penny more. A pretty reasonable outcome, if you are French. So, it's just politics, and the usual horsetrading.

Chirac knows damn well that there's more chance of walking to the moon than the UK agreeing to this. Quite simply, any movement by the Blair government, just before the election, would be political suicide. Given the less than stellar repuation of the EU in Britain, the prospect of coughing up an extra £3 billion would go down like a lead balloon in the UK. So, naturally, the Tories and demanding an absolute guarantee that the rebate is not up for grabs. Anything less than that categorical guarantee, and you can see the election posters already.

Chirac, though he would love to get the rebate, wants something else. He's working on the basis that if Britain refuses to give this up, they'll have to agree to something else that he wants.
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RE: Chirac Presses The UK Over Rebate

Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:03 am

there's no way any British PM would give the rebate up. It would be electoral suicide.
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RE: Chirac Presses The UK Over Rebate

Fri Mar 25, 2005 8:05 am

I believe our Prime Minister has already made his position on this crystal clear.

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RE: Chirac Presses The UK Over Rebate

Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:12 am

Worse was that Blair, through gritted teeth, supported Chirac on toning down much needed economic reform (translation; Chirac is scared of the unreconstructed unions, who in turn fear their cushy days are numbered, Chirac in turn is getting worried about the EU referendum), only for Chirac to 'reward' Blair for supporting something he didn't believe in by trying on this absurb rebate stuff.

Bring on more EU members, bring on them getting richer, anything to dilute the dead hand of excess French influence, with all it brings. the economic stagnation, the let offs they get for breaching spending levels (which they'd not do if it was the UK breaching these), the CAP, the bullying of smaller, newer members.
Getting rid of CAP (to help the 3rd world-screw the French farmers, about time they joined the real world), will help the EU's reputation no end, making it clear that French influence is getting less will as well.

Wouldn't that be a shock to the some of pretty rotten elements of the French political class, some might lose that impunity from prosecution, might not have to spend lazy days dreaming up new political constructs, fiddling while (The Treaty) of Rome burns (or in this case, stagnates).

Forget UKIP idiots, forget right wing Tory obsessives, if you want to know why the EU has such a poor reputation in the UK, look no further than Chirac.
(I've left Germany out of this diatribe as I suspect they are starting to 'get it' economics wise, slowly but in the right direction).

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