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Women Who Churn Out Babies Like Production Line

Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:42 am

Does it annoy you when some women continually churn-out babies like a production line? That per se is not necessarily that bad, but when they are unemployed - normally, it would seem, out of desire to be unemployed - and taking money off hard-working tax-payers, it annoys me. If they have to rely on state hand-outs to survive as they are, why on earth are they having even more children - even more mouths to feed, children to clothes, and so forth? It is backward, illogical and absurd. I will tell you why: so they get even more money. It is a vicious circle.

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Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:48 am

There was that judge who imposed a sentence on a woman where she was to have surgery so she could not have any more kids, instead of a conventional sentence. Unfortunately, this judge is the one who was just shot by that crazy guy who took the woman hostage.  Sad

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Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:53 am

Absolutely. Sew it up. If you want to pay for it, by all means go ahead. If you're taking a handout, no way. Any masons around who may want to pitch in?

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Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:00 am

Todays world has many problems. Part of whats causing this is there are so many people in our world its slowly starting to get a little crowded and people are grumpy. One kid: good for you! Two kid: yeah thats cool. Three kid: Not really hurting anyone. Four or more kid: ok, you've done yer part its time to save some resources for other people. I hate it when our government hands out money to people who can't afford to bring up their kids on their own.

If you can't support them don't have them. If you do have more mouths than you can feed too bad for you, you shoulda thought of that before you had them.




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Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:02 am

Problem in the USA and some other countries is that one can claim religion as well as a range of civil rights of any infringement to have sex, including being foreced to be sterilized or use birth control. That's right, in the USA you cannot infringe on the right to bear arms (guns) or babies...
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:31 am

LTBEWR:
Don't forget the anti-abortion people and women that hide behind religion when it suits there convenience knowing they can legally have access to there babies sperm donor for the next 18 years.
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:46 am

It always takes two to tango. Why don´t squeeze the dad for maintenance and child support until it hurts? It is often the guys who insist of having sex without protection.
If you you want to f'ck you´ve got to be willing to pay for the consequences. If necessary by forced labour.

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Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:50 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 6):
Why don´t squeeze the dad for maintenance and child support until it hurts?

The people I referred to are unemployed - both parents.

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Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:52 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 6):
It is often the guys who insist of having sex without protection.

Myth.

Women dislike as much as men.
I do agree that the man is responsible to. Too many women see men as a winning lottery ticket and that's not right either.
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:53 am

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Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:55 am

Have 1 kid, have 100, I don't care. BUT be able to provide for them!! Why is that such a difficult concept for people to understand????

I hate the argument that it is my right to have as many as I want and it is up to the state to support them if I can't.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:01 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 7):
The people I was referred to are unemployed - both parents.

I'm glad you said that... because women can't 'make' a kid alone, it takes a man--scratch that.... a MALE to also make that possible. Men across the globe esp. the younger crowd will SAY and PROMISE just about anything to get into a set of panties. And when the bad news comes along they high-tail it out of Dodge. Because many women fall for it and think 'this is the guy...' and it 'the guy' suddenly disappears... thank goodness for access to safe abortion procedures. Because there are a lot of loser cads running around out there... contributing to this very problem.


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Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:08 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 6):
If you you want to f'ck you´ve got to be willing to pay for the consequences. If necessary by forced labour.

*chokes on chocolate he's eating*

Did you really say forced labour?!??!?
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:10 am

Well, yes, the woman requires sperm, but not necessarily a man with her - think sperm donors. So technically a woman who wants another baby could get sperm that way and conceive because of that.
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:50 am

these women usually have a drug dependence, don't know thw father of the child and when they get their hand out they neglect the kids and go buy more drugs.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:50 am

the younger crowd will SAY and PROMISE just about anything to get into a set of panties

poor saps - they haven't discovered adultfriendfinder.com  Wink
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:02 pm

Quoting BN747 (Reply 11):
the younger crowd will SAY and PROMISE just about anything to get into a set of panties.

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Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:05 pm

James, I remember seeing a French documentary on India some time ago. The filmmaker went to some backward village and asked a desperately poor woman why she had a dozen children if she couldn't afford to even feed herself. "Because we don't have TV" was the response!
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:44 pm

Aloges,

Yes, I mean force the guy to work, even if it is shit work (picking up thrash in public parks etc.), and take everything above basic welfare level from him to pay for his kid. I´ve got a kid and kept to my obligations. I pay a sizable amount every month and have absolutely no sympathy for people who shirk on their obligations.
And the mother, once the kid reaches a certain age, has to go to work too.
Then, on the other hand, make contraceptives available for free to welfare recipients (works here).

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Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:48 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 18):
Yes, I mean force the guy to work, even if it is shit work (picking up thrash in public parks etc.), and take everything above basic welfare level from him to pay for his kid.

What would the woman be doing? Getting all broody and excited for Mr Poor Git to return home? Looking after the spotty, smelly, foul-mouthed Git Junior, aka JPG?

Need a good kick up the backside.
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:54 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
normally, it would seem, out of desire to be unemployed - and taking money off hard-working tax-payers, it annoys me.

Says the student.......  Wink

Had to get that one in before JGPH!A did Big grin
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:59 pm

Oi! I have you know - not like you need to be told - that students are the people who SHAPE and FURTHER society, not layabouts who can't be arsed to get off their backsides and get work and contribute to society. Students normally get a very bad deal - EVERYONE'S fees should be paid and ALL students should get money (grants) which they don't have to pay back. Our society is backward: give the layabouts loads of cash and ignore the people who make a difference in society.  Silly  Silly I know it's not realistic - only have a limited amount of money - but still: the idea is good.

Weren't you from the generation of grants?

I only had my tuition fees paid, but I have to pay back my loans. I also had/have to pay for my postgrad courses. Hardly good. Ah well.
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:09 pm

Tee Hee - thought that'd get a reaction Big grin

Seriously it took me five years to pay of my MA loan - partly because the cost of moving to London and the huge cost of paying rent and living expenses ate into my monthly salary big time - so I do know where you are coming from.

also the price of pot noodles has gone up somewhat from my student days (so I'm told) which must make life tough Big grin

Anyway, quit whinging -you get cheaper beer than the rest of us, and in my day as a student  old  we didn't have all those low cost airline thingys that you young loafers can use to skive off lectures and seminars to go disappearing off to Europe all the time. I was lucky if I could afford the train back to Cornwall at the end of term (no FR STN-NQY in those days  Smile )

Getting back to the topic- where I live is full of Vicky Pollard type mums - I know exactly what you're getting at.
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Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:19 pm

Had £2.50 this morning. Had to buy beans, spag. in a can, two-for-one pasta-in-a-packet stuff, bread... only got 30p or so left until next Tuesday (until dad 'lends' me some until I get another job in the summer  Silly ). While these layabout fools get their benefits, child support, etc., etc. Backward I tell you!

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RE: Women Who Churn Out Babies Like Production Line

Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:12 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 15):
poor saps - they haven't discovered adultfriendfinder.com

It seems to work very well.  Wink

To be honest it pisses me off that the people who most want to reproduce and push out as many anklebiters as they can are also the same people who think naively that having kids will make a relationship work, and make themselves feel good about themselves and their lives. Then they drop out of the education system at the first sign of fertility, have ridiculous 'Jerry Springer' type lives bludge off everyone else, blindly parrot off what they learn from their peers and are about as thick as pig shit in molasses. Really they aren't ensuring survival of the next generation,they are diluting the strength of human gene pool with their stupid genes.

It should be survival of the fittest/strongest/intelligent, not the ignorant/uneducated/mentally feeble. While I agree that it is every human's right to raise as many children as they can SUCCESSFULLY manage (with the emphasis on successfully) it is unnecessary to put more humans on the face of the earth than the two they are succeeding in the previous generation. That is unless you are accounting for a high mortality rate as they did in earlier periods of history - (well that and the fact children were a cheap alternative to Turkey at Christmas....sorry just had to work that Blackadder line into the conversation).

The sole reason for having large families is no longer an issue, because of medical advancements. We no longer lose as many as we technically should, and if we aren't going to let people die, then I think we have to work from the other end of the scale and stop them from living in the first place by encouraging contraception/sterilisation and the benefits of only replacing generations, or not having kids at all.
Otherwise We are just putting ourselves into a hole. An Entirely appropriate analogy given the actions involved in reproduction.... Wink
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:48 am

Well, we have 7 kids. all boys. The wife refuses to be left alone with me anymore.  banghead 
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:50 am

Jc2354: which is worse - 7 children or a life sentence in prison? I can guess!  Wink
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:04 am

Pe@rson: If I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't change a thing.
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:13 am

Quoting Jasepl (Reply 17):
James, I remember seeing a French documentary on India some time ago. The filmmaker went to some backward village and asked a desperately poor woman why she had a dozen children if she couldn't afford to even feed herself. "Because we don't have TV" was the response!

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Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:31 am

I saw a BBC Panorama documentary not too long ago about children of drug abusing parents in the UK. It was very disheartening to see how the kids had to beg for money just so that the parents could go buy more drugs. These people reproduce at whim with blatant disregard for the life they are about to bring into this world. It is easy for us to grasp the concept of, "if you can't feed them, don't have them", but if these people had any sort of common sense they wouldn't be doing drugs in the first place.

I do not believe in government handouts to the parents for supporting their kids when they are only going to spend it on more drugs. But then again, the compassionate state has to look after the child (surely it's not the kids' fault). My suggestion would be to take away the kids and cut the allowance. The kids can then be placed with families who will love them and look after them.

Just my $0.02

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Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:40 am

My issue is tax breaks. A guy I work with has sole custody of his 2 children. His salary is essentially the same as mine. He takes care of his kids and I respect him for that. HOWEVER:

His tax refund was 5 times the size of mine due to those children.

Our taxes put his kids through school, yet he gets a huge rebate for creating entities that use more tax dollars.

Our company insurance costs the same, yet he has 3 people on his insurance and I have one, ME. In other words, I'm subsidising those children.

People should NOT be rewarded for draining the coffers more than others.

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