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What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:15 am

What things, besides the following, are Catholics - perhaps especially the extreme - against?

1) Contraception, including condoms

2) Homosexuality

3) Abortion

This thread has not been created to bash the Pope, but rather to understand the Catholic religion a bit better. So please refain from moaning and groaning.

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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:18 am

Female clergy

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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:22 am

Perhapse a better question might be, what are Catholics for? We get so locked into the idea of "you're encroaching on my absolute freedom" that we sometimes forget that Church law is not meant to restrict but to liberate. It seems counterintuitive on the surface, but it is the intent, despite the fact it will inevitiably rub some people the wrong way. It's also something that does not neatly fits into a soundbite.

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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:27 am

Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 3):
Perhapse a better question might be, what are Catholics for?

No, I am interested, for now, on what they do not believe in.
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:30 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 4):
No, I am interested, for now, on what they do not believe in.

Why?

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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:33 am

Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 6):
Why?

Because I am. It is easier, I think, to look at one side first and then the other, instead of having confusion and uncertainty when both sides are mixed together like a cocktail.
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:35 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 7):
Because I am. It is easier, I think, to look at one side first and then the other, instead of having confusion and uncertainty when both sides are mixed together like a cocktail.

With the added benefit of yet another Church bashing thread. Give it a rest!

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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:38 am

Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 8):
With the added benefit of yet another Church bashing thread

If you care to read a couple of sentences found in my opening thread you will realise that this is not meant to be an anti-Catholic thread. I will, for your benefit, copy it below.

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
This thread has not been created to bash the Pope, but rather to understand the Catholic religion a bit better. So please refain from moaning and groaning.

Now, if you have nothing to add to help answer my question, please do not reply again.
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:42 am

Please don't insult my intelligence, Pe@rson. If you read the replies, guess what looks like? Flamebait.

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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:48 am

Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 10):
If you read the replies, guess what looks like? Flamebait.

One, maybe two replies could be taken as "flamebait". So why attack the entire thread and, more importantly, the one who started it?
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:49 am

wow, an anti catholic thread while the Pope in on his deathbed. Typical a.net
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:50 am

Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 10):
If you read the replies, guess what looks like? Flamebait.

I can't help what people reply with. Of course such a topic will result in debate, but that per se is not at all bad. If people get wound up about it, then that's their problem. My intention was not to wind people up. Everyone seems to be wanting not to discuss the things Catholics are against. Why? Have something to hide, perhaps because it's illogical, inhumane, immoral? I just don't know, hence my genuine thread to reach the truth.
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:58 am

Quoting AGC525 (Reply 10):
wow, an anti catholic thread while the Pope in on his deathbed. Typical a.net

So Pe@rson can't ask a question concerning the things the Roman Catholic Church opposes because the Pope is dying? I bet that if you asked that same Pope this very same question, he wouldn't be in the least offended.
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:01 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
Why? Have something to hide, perhaps because it's illogical, inhumane, immoral?

Because we have more important things to do.


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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:03 am

Pe@rson: Add the Ten Commandments to your initial list and the two tossed in by AsstChiefMark and you've got a pretty good list. From an ethics standpoint, and depending on your perspective on the matter, some of these positions can be fairly well justified.

I can't help but think, though, that the very three you mentioned, all have one and only one outcome: more potential Catholics. Sure, it's cloaked in ethics, but the outcome is still convenient. One of the major problems I have with organized religion is that it has become a competition. We've got more members that you do; ours is the "right" religion, so you are going to hell, and I am going to heaven. This ties directly to my fundamental concept of religion: it has done far more to divide people than it has to bring them together. The UK is a great example, the Middle East is a great example; Serbia-Croatia is a great example; Soviet Armenia is a great example...


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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:03 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 13):
Because we have more important things to do.

Such as?

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 13):
By the way, between heaven and earth there is nothing hidden.

So please tell me, what's with the miracles?
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:05 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 13):
Because we have more important things to do.

Then I will ask you in a couple of days.

It certainly seems that people aren't willing to talk about it. It really begs the question: why? Your argument that you have "more important things to do" is an inadequate answer, for you are posting on A.net so must not have "more important things to do." You are avoiding the subject and trying to avoid answering my question. This begs the question: why? The most logical explanation is that you are trying to hide something.
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:06 am

Thanks, Logan. See, that was a reasoned reply!
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:18 am

4) Masturbation--because it "violates the essential completeness of the act", if I remember the wording from the official pamphlet on sexuality I received as a teen. Want to guess what the most frequent rule violation among Catholic men is?

Other than basic, universal taboos based on the golden rule and the Ten Commandments, my experience with Catholicism is that most of the additional "thou shalt nots" relate directly, or indirectly, to sex. The hierarchy of the church adheres strongly to the negativity toward sex that is fostered by Paul in the New Testament ("better to marry than to burn...", but best not to have sex at all is the gist of Paul's teachings).
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:21 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 15):
Such as?

I think that if you are a Med Student and have a RR of 54, you're smart enough to answer that question without my help.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 15):
So please tell me, what's with the miracles?

Only God do miracles. But to experience a miracle, the person must have faith.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 16):
Your argument that you have "more important things to do" is an inadequate answer, for you are posting on A.net so must not have "more important things to do."

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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:24 am

Catholics are basically against anything that is not Catholic.

My mother's side of the family are Catholic and my father's side are Protestant. We were raised as Protestants, as were another bunch of cousins who where from a Catholic mother and Protestant father. Growing up, the Catholic side of the family looked down upon us non-Papists. It was made quite clear on MANY occasions that my Catholic cousins were somehow better, more worthy, blessed, than were were.

Where did such attitudes come from? Why....it was all a part of their Catholic upbringing of course. Catholics good....everyone else outsiders, tolerable, to a point, but bound for Hell.
 
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:31 am

Quoting Dvk (Reply 18):
4) Masturbation--because it "violates the essential completeness of the act",

Good catch, Dvk. That one also ties in with abortion, contraception, and homosexuality, as it prevents the creation of more Catholics.

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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:23 am

OK, Pe@rson. You've convinced me. Here's my constructive 2 cents:

There's basically two ways of looking at laws in general: Freedom from and freedom for. Both are operative at the same time so it's incomplete to say what the Church is against without looking at what the Church is in favor of. There are several places in the Bible, both in the Old and New Testament where law is treated, most famously in the 10 Commandments. Yet there are additional laws in the New Testament that must be taken with the 10 commandments at the same time, namely the Beatitudes in Matthews Gospel as a positive statement of what must be done. (the Thou shalts, if you will). Add to this Jesus' use of the Greatest Commandment (which he actually quotes from Deuteronomy): "Love God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind and all your strength, and your neighbor as yourself"

How does this translate into theological ethics? The central thing operative in Church law is that our own formed conscience is paramount in dicerning the relative morality of a given situation. This is done by prayer, reading scripture, and prayerful reflection. It's not a licence to do what you will, nor is it "cafeteria catholicism" as some have characterized it. Nor is everything the pope says considered infallible, as some say. Church law differs from secular law in that it is not simply a list of laws and precepts that we follow or be damned (literally). If it were reduced to that than the Church becomes everything people criticise it for being. It may seem on the surface like a list of do's and don'ts, but the reality is more complex and nuanced.

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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:34 am

Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 28):
This is done by prayer, reading scripture, and prayerful reflection.

Charles, I knew you'd break down and provide something to hang one's hat on. A Question or two, and I hope this isn't too far off-topic:

Do you consider prayer to be analogous to meditation as described in eastern religions? As background, both include repetition (e.g., five Hail Mary's, etc., vs. a repeated Mantra), apparently designed to dominate the minds vision and remove wandering thoughts. This can allow for complete concentration on whatever is the goal of the prayer or mediatation.

The problem arises in that, in eastern thought, the goal is to focus on nothingness, whereas in western religions, it seems as if the goal is to communicate with God, or Jesus, etc. One way I have of reconciling this issue, or difference, is in my conception of God. I view God as the collective power of all sentient beings. We mediatate (or pray, as you wish) to see our part in all of this. I personally feel that too many westerners (and many others) pray for good things to happen to them, rather than for the strength to deal with life sends their way.

Thanks,

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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:35 am

How the heck did this thread turn into Pe@rson bashing the Pope?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??! What I read here, and what I'm comprehending, is that he's just curious as to what Catholics believe in and what they are against.
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:46 am

@Pearson

It is very obvious that you are against the Catholic religion, and not just from this thread but other posts I have read. So, with that said...what you listed in the thread starter are basically the biggest and most controversial things the Catholic Church is against. Every religion has things they are against and in favor of, so if you decide to join that religion, you are ok with those things and tolerate them. Therefore, I don't think any Catholic on here is ashame or affraid of discussing what the Catholic church is against, it is just not the right time.
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:48 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 31):
You said so, I didn't.

Do I have amnesia or something? Let me check, name, address, phone number... I still remember all of that, now how come I don't remember saying there's something I don't want to talk about? Hmmm... maybe I never did and you were putting words in my month?
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:14 am

Quoting AJBUS300 (Reply 32):
It is very obvious that you are against the Catholic religion

No. I am against all religions.

Quoting AJBUS300 (Reply 32):
I don't think any Catholic on here is ashame or affraid of discussing what the Catholic church is against, it is just not the right time.

Fair enough. I look forward to receiving good arguments from you in the coming week, then.
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:36 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
This thread has not been created to bash the Pope, but rather to understand the Catholic religion a bit better.

Yeah sure!

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 36):
No. I am against all religions.

Now we know your true stated reason for posting this at this time. You hate Catholicism and want to drag it in the mud in a back handed way by asking your "question". You could have answered your own query by doing a simple google search. You must feel like a real jerk right now. Kind of like how others probably see you anyway.

Nice try to inject flamebait. Too bad we all see thru your charade.
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:45 am

LMAO. No, I will post exactly the same question on all religions in the next few weeks. I will also post questions concerning all the 'for' things, too.

Feel like a jerk? Nope. Feel on top of the world? Yep.

Could I careless if people think I'm a jerk? Nope. Do I care what people think about me? Nope. Why? Life's too short. I am also sufficiently confident and sensible not to take anything to heart, especially stuff posted in an internet forum.

I don't understand why so many of you get so worked up. If you had any sense you would shrugg it off.

Religion results in narrow-mindedness, short-sightedness, intolerance, the division of society, war, death, prejudice, and many more things. Religion is the cancer of society - the element which will fragment still further, if not destroy, society. Still, just my opinions.  Smile
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:48 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 38):
Feel like a jerk? Nope. Feel on top of the world? Yep.
Could I careless if people think I'm a jerk? Nope. Do I care what people think about me? Nope.

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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:51 am

You want to learn about Catholicism yet you feel the way you do?

Give me a break.

Pe@rson=Flamebait. Nice try. End of your story.
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:53 am

LOL. I don't understand why you have a problem with someone expressing opinion. Is freedom of speech not permitted in Italy? Of course you won't like it, but at least act your age instead of moaning and groaning like a child unable to purchase any sweets.
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:56 am

Allow me to quote you.....

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 38):
I don't understand why so many of you get so worked up. If you had any sense you would shrugg it off.

Feet can taste good no? End of your story.

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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:56 am

In a regular, normal day I'd more than happy to share my thoughts with Pe@rson and other fellow A.netters who like to discuss or bash (take your pick) the Catholic Church. Not today.

Today, as millions of Catholics and people of good will, I'm praying for our Holy Father and praising God for His mercy toward us when He gave us John Paul II as our Pope.

Maybe next week Pe@rson.
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:57 am

Only one person has managed a decent answer. Perhaps that tells us a lot about Catholics.
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:58 am

Pearson: the mourning for the Pope's death will take at least 3 weeks, until the new Pope is elected; we already know how much disrespect you have towards our religious leader, we would be really grateful if you could let us say goodbye to him. Is that to much??

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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:59 am

See, I can understand that, SFOMEX. That was a fair post.

And for your info, I am interested in beliefs both for and against of ALL religions, not just Catholicism.

Anyway, let's end it there, please.  Smile
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:06 am

Quoting Jasepl (Reply 39):
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 38):
Feel like a jerk? Nope. Feel on top of the world? Yep.
Could I careless if people think I'm a jerk? Nope. Do I care what people think about me? Nope.



2nd!

Quoting 787 (Reply 40):
You want to learn about Catholicism yet you feel the way you do?

Wow, someone wants to learn about a thing he doesn't like... must be a bad, evil pe(@)rson!

Quoting 787 (Reply 40):
Pe@rson=Flamebait.

Oh come on. He isn't insulting anyone just because he can't stand religions including yours.

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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:16 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
This thread has not been created to bash the Pope, but rather to understand the Catholic religion a bit better. So please refain from moaning and groaning.



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 38):
Religion is the cancer of society - the element which will fragment still further, if not destroy, society. Still, just my opinions.

How are you able to understand Catholicism better if you are filtering it through your biases? If you want to do what you set out to do, you need to put your preconceptions to one side. Otherwise there is little point in trying to explain because it sets the rest of us up for a judgmental diatribe, even though that may not be the point of your original post.

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 29):
Do you consider prayer to be analogous to meditation as described in eastern religions? As background, both include repetition

Repetitive prayer can be like a mantra insofar as some people are able to use it to clear their mind of intruding thoughts so as to allow a felt recognition of God.

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 29):
I view God as the collective power of all sentient beings. We mediatate (or pray, as you wish) to see our part in all of this.

Interesting point. To look at God as something greater than ourselves (i.e. the power of the community and discerning our place in that community certainly is valid. The important thing about meditation or prayer is the felt experience of this wider trancendental reality. If we don't move it out of our heads and into our hearts prayer does become dry and rather sterile.

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 29):
I personally feel that too many westerners (and many others) pray for good things to happen to them, rather than for the strength to deal with life sends their way.

I'd say both standpoints are operative. Good, often times, is in the eye of the beholder, and so even though we may be asking for what we think are good things, they may not necessarily be what we really need in life. Therefore, I think a lot of time must be spent understanding for ourselves what things we desire most deeply from God, and once we are able to articulate it, we are better able to appreciate it when God gives it to us. Strenth to deal with life is certainly one of the things we can, and sometimes should, ask for.

All good stuff! Thanks!

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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:22 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 48):
He isn't insulting anyone just because he can't stand religions including yours.

What a ridiculous statement when you consider his beliefs. You need to rethink how people can insult others just by saying what they believe in is evil.

Ignorance and intolerance are peoples greatest threats. Not to mention just plain stupidity. Lots of that on here if you want it.
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:25 am

Quoting 787 (Reply 50):
Ignorance and intolerance are peoples greatest threats.

Which are two of the main things religion creates.
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:26 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 35):
Maybe you should ask him about therapies for dyslexia... being that I checked by myself that I don't (have amnesia).

Thanks for the advise, but I feel perfectly ok. The only one here who claimed to be sick is YOU.

Quoting KiwiNanday (Reply 47):
and letting us have a reasonable discussion.

That is an impossible task with your intervention...

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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:30 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 51):
Which are two of the main things religion creates.

I guess you are religious after all! And you didn't even know it. (Or anything else for that matter! Nice try but you have been tapedshut .

hee hee
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:33 am

Not at all. As a matter of fact, my grandad (when he was alive) was a senior religious person and we were extremely close. I gained a lot of insight from him.
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:35 am

Fundamentally, we Catholics believe that Jesus Christ was the son of God. That he is completely human and completely divine at the same time.

That by having his son suffer and die on the cross for our sins, the gate of heaven were reopened and humanity's bondage to original sin was broken.

All the rest is just man made addition. Please try to distinguish between what Catholicism is as a religion and what the Catholic church is as an institution. If you study Catholic theology over the ages, you'll see that many things have changed.

Like any organization run by humans, the Catholic church makes errors. Some larger than others (hell, we excommunicated Galileo for being right and it took us several hundred years to admit that mistake). But instead of focusing on the huge errors and faults that have and do exist with the institution of the church try to focus on what the religion believes. If you mix the two you confuse the issue without ever making any progress toward the knowledge you purportedly seek.

In my opinion, the Catholic church (like any large organization) has an institutional inertia. The scientific advances of the last 50 to 100 years call into question certain beliefs that the church has taught for centuries. The institution of the church will eventually correct itself - why because the church at its foundation is the people. Time and time again we can see that when the church leadership lost sight of the fundamental beliefs I previously mentioned, change followed and the church came out stronger. That process will repeat itself again.

For my fellow Catholics, let's not fight with those who attack us. There will always be those who seek to attack our religion based on the mistakes of the institution. Let's educate with facts and let others decide for themselves.
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:00 am

Thank you for those kind words.
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:53 am

Quoting KiwiNanday (Reply 47):
BTW, Catholics are against evolution, too (even though its been proven)

Oh, and devout Catholics are Anti-Semetic! WHAT FUN!!!

That's news to me...  Confused

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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:00 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
2) Homosexuality

Modern Catholic theology recognizes that homesexual feelings are typically not a choice and are simply felt by the individual. The Catholic Church teaches that homosexuals are not to blame or fault for their feelings, but that acting on tendencies is a sin tantamount to sex outside of wedlock. It's a sin that is forgivable and won't ostracize one from the community.

The Catholic Church does not teach: "all gays are going to hell no matter what." We recognize that we too are sinners, and it doesn't prevent one from having a positive relationship with God.
 
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RE: What Are Catholics Against?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:23 am

- Personal Choice.
- Anything that's any fun at all.  Wink Such as Sex before marriage.

All this reminds me of Rowan Atkinson's "Welcome to Hell" Skit. It's so bloody funny...
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