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A4 3-series X-Type C-Class S40

Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:24 pm

What is your pick, amongst the Audi A4, BMW 3-Series, Jaguar X-Type, Mercedes C-Class, Volvo S40 or any others in that category?

Competition is intense in that entry level luxury sedan market, so if you're in that market, or have been, what would you pick or what did you pick? It is a question I ask myself often, in the hopes that I will be able to afford one of the above and put my VW on retirement!

I like the looks of the A4 and am truly a fan of the interior styling and the quality of the materials. But the front drive models can't keep up with the 3-series.

The 3-series is almost the must have car in this class in the United States. But if you don't order iDrive on the E90, the dash looks so plain and styling is subjective.

If you offer me any car or offer me any Jaguar, I'll almost always take the Jaguar. I drool over the styling, interior and exterior. There's something special about Jaguars. That said, it seems as though the driving experience is not nearly as exciting as others in that class. Isn't it basically a Mondeo, anyway?

The C-Class isn't as opulent on the interior as the A4, nor does it have the exterior appeal of the baby Jag, nor the handling of a 3-series, so what is left?

I haven't driven the Volvo S40, so I don't know much about it.

What are your opinions?
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RE: A4 3-series X-Type C-Class S40

Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:36 pm

I drove all of the models that you mentioned and picked an '05 325i. In short, the BMW had the driving dynamics that I prefer. I do not know about the new A4 and E90 vehicles.
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RE: A4 3-series X-Type C-Class S40

Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:36 pm

Definlitely the A4 or 3-Series.

I've got an A4 and I love it. Amazing steering response, smooth ride. Lots of fun! The only other car I would take besides it is the 330i. the Mercs and the Jags dont come close!

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RE: A4 3-series X-Type C-Class S40

Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:44 pm

Quoting Airxliban (Thread starter):
The 3-series is almost the must have car in this class in the United States. But if you don't order iDrive on the E90, the dash looks so plain and styling is subjective.

Could not agree with you more. I think out of all the cars you asked about, I would have to go with the BMW 3 series. First off, you are driving a BMW, second off you have the great speed and torque under the hood. The BMW also has great handling and stability control at high speeds which is good.

The Volvo is a car that will only last you 3 or so years before it starts having problems. It also does not have a lot of space. Volvo should also do improvements on its Horsepower, but that is just the beginning of their problems with that car.

The Jaguar is a nice little zippy car. There are simply too many of them though. I believe that car is the most produced or overly produced car there is for that matter.

The Audi is great, that would be my number two pick. The Audi's interior I don't find to be all that comfortable though. I don't know maybe it is just me. That is also a car that I have not ridden in so I can't tell you. O I cant wait until the bashing for that comment.

The Mercedes is great too just it does not have a big back seat. It is a great comfortable car for long drives, just does not have the speed and power of the BMW nor the look.

Best car I would have to say is the BMW by a mile.
 
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RE: A4 3-series X-Type C-Class S40

Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:17 pm

EZYairbus' land transportation is an S40 so maybe he can enlighten you on the pros/sons of this vehicle.

For me, the A4 or VW Passat is where I would put my money.

However, Renault just launched their Laguna GT, 220+HP and a price that undercuts all the aforementioned vehicles.

Maybe worth checking out.

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RE: A4 3-series X-Type C-Class S40

Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:40 pm

If you put driving enjoyment above all other things (and I'm talking back roads here, not a motorway or in town commute) then it would have to be the 3 series. If you spend much of your time sitting in traffic and interior environment and quality is your thing, then go for the A4.

The new A4 gets closer to the 3 on driving ability than its ever done, but it is definitely ahead on interior quality if my quick sitting in the all new 3 series is anything to go by (which I think felt cheaper than the outgoing 3).
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RE: A4 3-series X-Type C-Class S40

Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:00 pm

My side job (next to studying  Smile) is driving lease cars around the country and having driven the a4, a jag x-type and a S40, I have to say that the S40 wins for me. Steering is so direct and smooth and I love the suspension on that car. A great allround car for long trips. The Volvo looks may be a bit conservative, but I don't really see that as a downside.
The A4 is great car, too, and a modest the 2.0 Turbo Diesel works really fine with the car, lots of power. Great interior, too.
I really don't like the X-type, ugly interior and bad steering.
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RE: A4 3-series X-Type C-Class S40

Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:15 pm

A4 or 3 series.

Used to have an A4. It was great - fantastic interior.

Now have a 3 series coupe. Great car as well.
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RE: A4 3-series X-Type C-Class S40

Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:24 pm

Errrrrr.. X-Type!

When my mum went shopping for her new car around eight months ago, the salesmen at the Jaguar garage suggested that we go for the X-Type for its "stunning performance"... right... ok. Anyway, my mother opted for the S-Type 3.0 Litre Sport, that's the car I'd go for, preferably with the new diesel engine. After that, well it has to be the BMW 3 Series.

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RE: A4 3-series X-Type C-Class S40

Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:09 am

What about if we up this to the S4, E46 M3, C55 AMG?
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RE: A4 3-series X-Type C-Class S40

Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:43 am

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 9):
What about if we up this to the S4, E46 M3, C55 AMG?

Kind of a tough choice but based on experience, one of my best friends has an M3 and the ride is very rough. So based on that, I would probably say the C55 AMG...besides, the AMG division of Benz is great.
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RE: A4 3-series X-Type C-Class S40

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:16 pm

I would go for the M3, but the new S4 is supposed to be rocking.
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RE: A4 3-series X-Type C-Class S40

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:19 pm

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 9):
What about if we up this to the S4, E46 M3, C55 AMG?

Of that line up, then it would be the M3

Quoting BA380 (Reply 11):
but the new S4 is supposed to be rocking

Better still wait for the RS4  Smile
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RE: A4 3-series X-Type C-Class S40

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:24 pm

yeah - actually, I meant the RS4. Wasn't concentrating. Saw report recently on it. It looks stupidly aggressive.
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RE: A4 3-series X-Type C-Class S40

Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:52 pm

Here's what the 3 minutes that I can afford for this thread allow me to write (warning: un-polished opinions ahead):

Audi A4, BMW 3-Series, Jaguar X-Type, Mercedes C-Class, Volvo S40:

- First things first, the Merc, they all look alike and Mercedes has done a wonderful job in completely erasing one of the strongest images in the auto industry. Also identity from the cockpit was also removed (there were days where Mercedes's were the only cars that don't rattle inside (ok, some Volvo's too and the Americans maybe?), and the interior felt more like heavy furniture than car interior). Also, the reports I am reading about the drop in quality kind of round up the whole thing to put the car on the bottom of (any) list.

- Jaguar: a cute classy car, but a lack of identity. Ford reworked the whole thing, though the design is still jaguar. But why would one want to buy a Ford with a Jag body?

- Volvo S40. Better and better, the car is not flooding the streets, it has good dynamics, it is an interesting package. Now that we are looking more carefully, the only adjustment needed would be the front wheel drive.

- Audi A4. Excellent perceived quality, and probably engine/gearbox/mechanics. The only drawbacks: front wheel drive, and a suspension setup that Audi never got right and probably never will (too hard sometimes, but always too soft on corners).

- BMW 3-Series, a loss of individualism because they are on every corner, but limited damage from Bangle that had to be watered down, better dynamics than the rest, definitely the best engines, and round-up value. From your list, I guess it is the number 1.


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RE: A4 3-series X-Type C-Class S40

Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:46 pm

I've heard that the new E90 3-Series is supposed to be very good indeed. However, do be aware that the electronic variable-ratio power steering available on higher-end models does take some getting used to for the first 5000 km (circa 3000 miles) of customer use while the system "settles down" from prolonged use.
 
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RE: A4 3-series X-Type C-Class S40

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:17 am

I like the BMW 3 series, but I think I'd have to go with the C350 on this one. The X-Type is one of those cars that I would love to like--but it just doesn't have enough power--wish they would have gone ahead with an X-Type R. THe new A4 is ugly to me.
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RE: A4 3-series X-Type C-Class S40

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:36 am

Get one of these 205HP babies :


And revel in the fact that :

1) Your car is more exclusive than an A4 or a 3-series
2) Yours has more standard equipment
3) The money you saved pays for a boat.

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RE: A4 3-series X-Type C-Class S40

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:40 am

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 17):
And revel in the fact that :

1) Your car is more exclusive than an A4 or a 3-series
2) Yours has more standard equipment
3) The money you saved pays for a boat.

And revel in the fact that depreciation-wise it sinks like a stone.

Suggest you get a year old one sometime next year and the money saved could buy you an even bigger boat  Smile

Mind you I'll admit that Laguna's have very comfy seats - a bit too comfy actually -zzzzzz
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RE: A4 3-series X-Type C-Class S40

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:50 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 18):
And revel in the fact that depreciation-wise it sinks like a stone.

Given Mercedes' recent reliability/fit and finish problems, the C-class will soon follow the same road.

BTW that Laguna has a 5-start Euro NCAP rating.

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RE: A4 3-series X-Type C-Class S40

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:54 am

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 19):
BTW that Laguna has a 5-start Euro NCAP rating.

That I can't deny - seeing much of the EURO NCAP testing is done at my place of work  Smile
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