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Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:55 am

The experts are predicting $2.50/gal gas by Memorial Day. The only ray of sunshine is that they also are saying it'll drop to just below $2.00 by July 4. Of course, this is all contingent on nothing further goofily happening in the world.
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:58 am

It's already $2.50 a gallon here in California.
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:00 am

I'll get flamed for this, but I think it will be good for America. This country is so auto-dependent, and uses such much oil per capita, it's horrifying. The culture of consume, consume, consume, which is furthered by this administration's anti-conservation stance, is leading the country down a pretty bad track. We need to curb residential and commercial real estate development that is 100% pro-automobile, and anti-pedestrian, anti-public transport. If $2.50 a gallon is what it will take the US to get its act together, to knock some sense into developers, or get people to start buying hybrid cars, then maybe that's not such a bad thing.

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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:04 am

NYCFlyer:
I agree wholeheartedly but there is one major problem. This will hurt the prices of goods which hurts the poor the most. Food doesn't come from grocery stores, they come from farms via trucks which uses fuel to deliver food to the stores. The truckers aren't going to eat the cost and they shouldn't. The extra cost will be passed on to consumers.

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Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:08 am

Superfly - yes, I agree with you. There are many other economic problems that would be set off in a domino effect if the price of gas really did go that high, but I just left them out to make my point. This country definitely doesn't need another recession.
 
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Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:16 am

NYCFlyer:
I am sure you would agree that it's totally retarded that massive subdivisions are going up without any mass public transportation system in place to accomodate these commuters who need to get to & from work.
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:17 am

As Superfly correctly stated the prolonged rising cost of gasoline will indeed have a ripple effect on our economy and everything that is connected. I'm old enough to remember what happened to cost of everything following the price shocks of 1973 and 1979; i.e. the double-digit inflation and the misery index (inflation + interest rates). That being said, with the current debacle in mind; the American motorist has been scapegoated long enough IMHO. Even if one uses public transportation 100% of the time, the high oil prices will impact the transit companies operating budgets as well.

Another thing to keep in mind NYCflyer is that the higher fuel costs is majorly hurting the airline industry particularly the legacy carriers; just count the number of threads and posts in the Civil Av. section regarding fuel costs hurting most of the carriers and possibly jeopardizing jobs. One reason why deregulation of the airlines came into being in 1978 was due to the skyrocketing airfares attributed from the rising cost of fuel at the time.

In early 1991, it was high fuel costs that ultimately pushed the once-proud PanAm and Eastern over the edge.

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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:18 am

Perhaps it wouldn't be as bad if some of the increase was going as taxes to offset the costs of our military in the Middle East and elsewhere protecting the oil infrastrucure, shipping lanes or toward the fight against terror, but instead it is making corrupt governments and big oil business leaders and owners of wells richer. As noted above, the soaring prices of gasoline, as well as diesel, fuel oil for heating, oil for making electricity, jet/aviation fuels will hurt us all in the world, possibly leading to a economic recession. Travel for business or tourism will also be negativly affected by such high fuel prices. Prices in New Jersey for Regular Unleaded are $1.99 - 2.10/gal depending on the station, raising up 30-40 cents per gallon since last fall. Changing living/working patterns will take too long to affect fuel usage. Hopefully this increase will make some better off people realize their 'fuelish' ways, shift to more appropiate daily vehicles instead of large engined cars or SUV's, consolidate shopping, tell their kids to walk or use a bike to get around and so on. Maybe finally the airlines will have to raise fares to cover expenses.
 
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:28 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 7):
Hopefully this increase will make some better off people realize their 'fuelish' ways, shift to more appropiate daily vehicles instead of large engined cars or SUV's

So how are prima donna soccer moms and Nuevo Riche going to show off that they've 'made it'? What are they going to drive to impress there fellow Church goers and neighbors? What are they going to drive to rub in the face of family members and co-workers that they are 'better off'?
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Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:31 am

By the way, my last post was meant to be totally sarcastic.  Smile
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:33 am

bring it on baby!........I wont stop driving because of stupid gas prices so whatever. It is ALMOST $2.50 down here, if not already....so a few cents won't make a difference......and for those who want to whine and complain, catch city transportation and park the car!
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:00 am

I'm going to keep driving no matter what the cost. I might not drive as much, but I will keep on.

I think we are lucky here in the USA to have delayed this for as long as we did.
 
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:04 am

It's 5.96 here today so it could be worse I guess.
 
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:05 am

I can't wait to see the resale value of those over-valued SUVs hit rock bottom.
Most annoying SUVs has to be Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Infinity, Acura and Honda. They can't even go off road!
They just sit up high, block your vision and drink lots of gas.
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:22 am

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 2):
I'll get flamed for this, but I think it will be good for America. This country is so auto-dependent, and uses such much oil per capita, it's horrifying

People won't stop buying gas. They will just simply pull the funds from other personal budgets and continue that way. They will cut corners and limit the amount of services and purchases they make. Vacation destinations will suffer. People won't buy as much non-necessary items for play. Sure, the grocery stores will still sell their items. But places like Best Buy will feel the pinch. The book stores will feel the pinch. Airlines will feel the pinch. Music stores will sell less cd's. Movie theaters will feel the pinch as they switch to Netflix and Blockbuster rentals. It's a trickle down reaction that won't be good.
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:25 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
I can't wait to see the resale value of those over-valued SUVs hit rock bottom.
Most annoying SUVs has to be Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Infinity, Acura and Honda. They can't even go off road!
They just sit up high, block your vision and drink lots of gas.

I'm sorry to break the news to you...Acura's MDX and Honda's Pilot and CRV are unibody designs so they sit up just a few centimeters higher than your average car in the United States. Try driving one of these things, they are just like a car. Also their engines have VTEC technology and if you look at their gas mileage consumption, they are the same as any v6 car that's out there in the market...(21 22 mpg on the highway). So they could be labeled as an alternative to your standard van...just with a SUV look to it.
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:30 am

Quoting 767-332ER (Reply 15):
So they could be labeled as an alternative to your standard van...just with a SUV look to it.

...and they are the ugliest things on the road.
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:32 am

While gas is skyrocketing--compared to other liquids (liquor, coke, milk, etc.) gas is still a bargain. Thats what I keep telling myself as I pay $2.20 a gallon for 93 octane.
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:35 am

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 17):
Thats what I keep telling myself as I pay $2.20 a gallon for 93 octane.

You lucky duck!
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:37 am

What do you think of the excersion or Hummer S'fly?
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:03 am

Thats why i always take the bus/metro here. it costs total about $4.50 round trip here from the suburbs to downtown DC.
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:04 am

Quoting David b. (Reply 19):
What do you think of the excersion or Hummer S'fly?

One thing mis-informed self-appointed enviornmentalist don't understand is the the Ford Excursion has been around for years and it's called the F-350 pick up truck. These vehicles do serve a purpose and most are utilized for towing boats, campers and going off road. Most importantly, the Excursion comes with an availible diesel engine which get 40% better milage than the gasoline variant. Also they can be used as a bio-diesel.
The Ford Excursion is not a show off status vehicle like the others.

The Hummers are stupid usesless vehicles!
The H2 has poor off road performance and doesn't come with an availibe diesel. The The Hummers (including the H1) is for guys with little dicks that need to prove a point.
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Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:14 am

Its really high up here. There is only one highway, the 101, and because of it, we are paying in upwards of 2.75 a gallon for unleaded. Its ridiculous, and its only a matter of time before other goods start increasing as a result.

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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:25 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 21):
One thing mis-informed self-appointed enviornmentalist don't understand is the the Ford Excursion has been around for years and it's called the F-350 pick up truck.

Even prior to the debut of the Ford Excursion, there have been some after-market conversions of a Ford-equivalent to the Chevy Suburban. In most cases the conversion was a cross between a Ford F-350 Crew-Cab and a Bronco.

Here's a couple of examples:




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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:30 am

I noticed that the Shell here in Daytona has their V-Power for 2.649 a gallon with the lesser grades decreasing by 10 cents each.... the place was still packed!

Cheapest regular around here is about 2.25
 
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:43 am

its 2.60 a gallon here for premium (washington D.C.)..... not cheap. And all of our cars use gas pretty fast too....... But compared to Europe we have nothing to complain about!

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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:11 am

PHILBOS:
Well I'll be darned! That explains it. There is a black F-150 conversion near my girlfriend's place. It's called the Centerion which I thought was rather strange.
It's of the 1988-1991 generation.
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:20 am

Paid $2.579 for premium the other day. It will make me switch some of my driving to my Integra, which gets 30 mpg. It would be good if Americans would change their consumption...but they won't.  Smile
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:23 am

ScarletHarlot:
Doesn't your other car get good milage too?
Don't you have a Mercedes SLK or something?
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:23 am

Its not like I do a lot of unnecessary driving... If it costs $2.50 a gallon for me to get my ancient honda accord to and from school I guess I will just have to pay it.. or siphon gas out of my girlfriends car.
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Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:40 am

I'm paying $2.25 cheapest in the greater Chicago area. Average is high $2.30's. I've thought about finding some 100LL that's been strained out of aircraft already and is unuseable in aircraft, but I don't know how clean that stuff is.
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:47 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 26):
Well I'll be darned! That explains it. There is a black F-150 conversion near my girlfriend's place. It's called the Centerion which I thought was rather strange.
It's of the 1988-1991 generation.

Superfly,

Centurion Vehicles is the company that makes those Ford truck conversions. In my neighborhood, there's a black '95 or '96 F-150 Crew Cab that I frequently see driving around (I even saw it today); for those that don't know, the Crew cabs only existed in the F-250/350 chasis at that time. It's also a Centurion conversion.

In my neck of the woods (Delaware County, PA - near Philly), regular gas goes for about $2.19/gal. The prices for premium range from $2.28/gal. to $2.39/gal.
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:51 am

Ahh, I love my Hyundai Accent. 33mpg city with A/C.

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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:12 am

PHILBOS:
Ford should have put those in to full production back in the 1980s and early 1990s. That way people wouldn't be stuck with buying the Chevrolet Suburban.

Quoting Swatpamike (Reply 32):
Ahh, I love my Hyundai Accent. 33mpg city with A/C.

I love my MUNI fast pass. $45.00 a month for unlimited ridership all around. town. I can read a book, newspaper, catch up on sleep or have a casual conversation without the stress of driving.  Cool
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Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:21 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 33):
Ford should have put those in to full production back in the 1980s and early 1990s. That way people wouldn't be stuck with buying the Chevrolet Suburban.

Couldn't agree with you more on that; especially since the downsized '79 and later full-size Fords and Mercs. no longer offerred the 460 cid w/the 7000lb. Class III trailer tow package as an option.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 33):
I love my MUNI fast pass. $45.00 a month for unlimited ridership all around. town. I can read a book, newspaper, catch up on sleep or have a casual conversation without the stress of driving.

$45/month, that's cheap compared to $70 SEPTA's Zone 1/Center City (Philadelphia) monthly trailpass. My Zone 2 pass (since I live in a nearby suburb) is $106/month.

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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:23 am

Quoting Swatpamike (Reply 32):
Ahh, I love my Hyundai Accent. 33mpg city with A/C.

Pray you never see the ugly side of a Ford Expedition, however.


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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:23 am

And not that long ago we were paying less than a buck a gallon in some places. Man, I'd kill to be paying a buck fifty again... flippin' OPEC and their arbitrary BS.
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:28 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 31):
In my neck of the woods (Delaware County, PA - near Philly), regular gas goes for about $2.19/gal. The prices for premium range from $2.28/gal. to $2.39/gal.

Similar prices here on the Southside of Atlanta. I'm glad I filled up Friday when gas was about 10 cents cheaper. I'll see how much it is on the Northside and intown tomorrow, as I do my weekly route in those areas.

I'm not too worried if gas gets up to $2.50 around here. I mainly drive to and from work, which is maybe 12 miles or so round trip. I fill my tank up once every two weeks or so. I've had my car nearly a year and haven't even driven 6000 miles. A few years back when gas went way up in the months after 9/11, I said that if gas around here got over $2 a gallon, I was getting a motorcycle. I'm still thinking about it, but only if I had a longer commute to work.

I just realized that the gas prices around here are what the gas prices in Las Vegas were when I was out there just about this time last year (The most expensive gas I saw out there was at a Union 76 station in Boulder City, they wanted $2.49 a gallon for the cheap stuff. I wasn't looking to fill up, I stopped to get something to drink on the way back to Vegas from Hoover Dam.).
 
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:28 am

PHILBOS:
I should have included that "all around. town" meant city proper San Francisco.
BART which covers most of the Bay Area is as expensive as SEPTA.
There are people that spend as much as $250.00 a month on BART because they are in the outter suburbs like Antioch, Concord and Livermore. Silly thing is, many move out there to save $250.00 a month in rent/mortgage rather than just get a place here in the city.

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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:34 am

OK here is the typical European answer:

I would be more than happy to pay $2.50/gal. Fuel prices out here are outrageous!  cry 

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Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:37 am

'Fly - I have a CLK 55 and its mileage is not that great - 21 or 22 mpg. Mr. Harlot has a Boxster and it gets around 23. As you can see, the Integra is much more efficient than both.
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Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:39 am

Well, it's true... Europe does pay something like 1.50 a litre.... and there are about 4 of those in gallon.
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Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:41 am

Soon above 1,5 US$/liter here in Sweden...
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:43 am

I agree, rising gas prices will hopefully teach all the gas guzzling SUV owners something. The other day my friend's dad was complaining about how it took like $50 to fill up his Navigator. What a useless and stupid car especially since they are a family of 4. My WRX gets like 18-20mpg but I don't drive it alot so I don't care and I don't complain either. It's a regular 4 door sedan and nothing more.
 
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:44 am

I can't wait to see the resale value of those over-valued SUVs hit rock bottom.
Most annoying SUVs has to be Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Infinity, Acura and Honda.


These cars retain their value far better then their American counterparts, partly becasue they don't slash 10 grand off the sticker for every customer, not to mention they get far better gas mileage becasue they are car based.
 
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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:45 am

Yep and even diesel is expensive. Where will it end?

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Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:52 am

Quoting Aviationfreak (Reply 45):
Yep and even diesel is expensive

Diesel is comparable these days to 93 Octane. I've seen it as low as $2.01g in Anchorage, and as high as $2.26g. Can't figure that one - I buy fuel at Shell, which is asking $2.12g at the moment for diesel.

Outside the city - up the Parks Highway in some remote locations fuels of all kinds are near $3.00g. Cost of getting it to a station 200 miles from ANC or FAI.
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Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:12 am

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 44):
not to mention they get far better gas mileage becasue they are car based.

...yet worse milage than the econo-boxes they're based off of. On top of that, can't perform any duties as an SUV. Therefore they are overpriced useless vehicles that cant do anything unique. Luxury brands should stick to making sedans, coupes and convertibles.
The Lexus RXseries and Mercedes M-class serves no purpose other than to impress shallow people who are impressed by that crap.

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Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:15 am

$2.129 around DAL. I would take public transit to work if it were not for the fact that it takes me 20 minutes to drive to work vs. 175 minutes to take the bus. If DART had a Mockingbird Crosstown route that dropped off inside DAL, I'd be on that sucker 5 days/week! Alas, DART has styled their operation off of American Airlines: if you're going to Garland, DFW, or Mountain View, you gotta change buses in downtown  mad 

It also doesn't help that the bus that runs from downtown to my place stops running on the weekends after 10 pm and I wouldn't make it downtown until 10:50.

So, until the Mockingbird Crosstown route starts and continues operating until midnight on weekends or until my work installs showers so I can ride my bike in, it'll have to be with the car.

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RE: Are You Ready For $2.50/gal Gas America?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:23 am

While I know most truck-based SUVs and trucks are capable vehicles, I'm convinced that nearly every F-250/350, whatever the Chevy and Dodge heavy duty trucks are called, Excursion, Expedition, Tahoe, Suburban around Wichita is a status symbol ("my truck's bigger than yours"). They're always clean as a whistle and look like they've never gone off road. A lot of them have have been modified with weird shit like wannabe monster truck wheels. The worst they've gone through is maybe a dirt road. Every other garage in the suburbs have one. The huge trucks like the SuperDutys are probably traded in from F-150s or Silverados and are usually seen commuting to work. At least if you go far out of town into the country, you'll see some of those heavy duty trucks actually doing some real work.
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