TACAA320
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Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:18 am

"The Scottish flag is the cross of St. Andrew, also known as the Saltire. It is said to be one of the oldest national flags of any country, dating back at least to the 12th century.

Tradition suggests that St. Andrew (an apostle of Jesus in the Christian religion) was put to death by the Romans in Greece by being pinned to a cross of this shape.

The flag of the United Kingdom - known as the Union Flag or Union Jack - is made up from the flags of Scotland, England (the Cross of Saint George) and Ireland (the Cross of Saint Patrick).
The Royal Flag of Scotland

There is a second flag which is associated with Scotland, the "Rampant Lion", or Royal Flag of Scotland. Although based on an older Scottish flag than the St. Andrew's Cross, it should, strictly speaking, now only be used by the monarch in relation to her capacity as Queen in Scotland¹. However, it is widely used as a second national flag.

The Rampant Lion flag flies over the offices of the Secretary of State for Scotland (who is the representative of the U.K. government in Scotland); that is Dover House in London and New St Andrew's House in Edinburgh.

King George V signed a Royal Warrant in 1934 allowing the use of the Rampant Lion flag as "a mark of loyalty" because of the forthcoming Jubilee celebrations. The Lord Lyon² officially now takes the view that this permission "related to decorative ebullition", that is, it is permissable to wave the flag at football matches. It is however not allowable to fly the flag without permission, on a flag-pole or from a building. The Lord Lyon once threatened the town councillors of Cumbernauld with an Act passed in 1679 which prescribed the death penalty for mis-use of the royal arms.

¹ Scotland has not had its own monarchy since the Act of Union with England in 1707. Queen Elizabeth II is monarch of United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

² The Lord Lyon King of Arms is the judicial officer responsible for upholding heraldic law in Scotland."
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:22 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Thread starter):
. It is said to be one of the oldest national flags of any country, dating back at least to the 12th century.

Exactly....Scotland is a country therefore a.net should have the flag.

It is nice in the Seychelles though  Wink
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:24 am

Theres only 1 or 2 Scottish users here, the rest are sheep  Wink
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:29 am

I guess the reason is Scotland is not independent country.
 
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:30 am

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 2):
Theres only 1 or 2 Scottish users here, the rest are sheep

So they deserve their flag here. Even if Gkirk is the only Scottish here.

Don't you think?
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:33 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 4):
So they deserve their flag here. Even if Gkirk is the only Scottish here.

No, i don't think he does     Wink

[Edited 2005-04-04 23:35:13]
 
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:36 am

Good question. I agree the Scottish flag should be here.

Did all you New Yorkers enjoy Scotland day (or whatever it's called!)?  Wink
 
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:50 am

Gkirk not the only Scot here... I'm Scottish too. Guess "ScotishLaddie is as well so that's at least three of us. I'm all for Saltires here. The only problem I see with this is that if we get saltires the English will want Georgie crosses!! sarcastic 
 
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:52 am

The great debate continues.  Wink

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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:55 am

Quoting Purpleheepster (Reply 7):
The only problem I see with this is that if we get saltires the English will want Georgie crosses!! sarcastic

Actually would be better that way
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:58 am

Get a petition going to send to the A-net admin. If you include the sheep it'll be a damn long list. There should also be the St. George's Cross and the Red Dragon.
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:12 am

I want my EU flag!

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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:14 am

On that note, I think every state in the US should have their flag on here.  Yeah sure
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:23 am

It's in situations like these when I call upon the ever trusty dictionary.com for a definition.  Wink

scotland

n : one of the four countries that make up the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland; located on the northern part of the island of Great Britain; famous for bagpipes and plaids and kilts


'Country' means that there should be a flag on a.net.
Also notice that Scotland is NOT famous for sheep.  Wink
 
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:26 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11):
I want my EU flag!

I second that!!!

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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:37 am

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 13):

n : one of the four countries that make up the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

If that's the case, could you possibly give me the contact details for the Scottish Embassy in Canberra?

Just face facts. You lot are colonised by wankers.
 
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:47 am

Yeah I'd definately not be a fan of EU flags. Europe is a vast and varying place and I'd much rather see the individual nations. Besides, the EU is just a paper deal anyway.
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:04 pm

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 13):
'Country' means that there should be a flag on a.net.

The use of the word "country" in the context you quote is misleading. The constituent parts of the United Kingdom ceased to be seperate countries as soon as they ceded their independence to the United Kingdom - all of them. England isn't a country any more, it's barely even a distinct administrative entity any more. Scotland has a Parliament, but that parliament and its associated executive branch cannot sign or ratify international treaties or join international organisations, as it is not representing an autonomous entitiy.

So no flag for you Sweaties ! Big grin
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:22 pm

Why does GKirk need a scottish flag? He's always on the move...  Smile

Unless ofcourse, he is looking for a nice flag to settle with.  Wink

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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:32 pm

Ach half of you are ignorant racist gits...
Thom@s, the reason my flag changes so much is that there isn't a Scottish flag.
Oh and once again, the EU is NOT a country
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:46 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 19):
Oh and once again, the EU is NOT a country

Give it time...  Sad

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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:54 pm

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 20):
Give it time... Sad

Not willing to join the big family reunion, Thom@s?
 Silly

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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:59 pm

Again, I repeat my request for a Manx flag - we are NOT UK and only a dependancy. Unlike Scotland, which is nailed to the land of the Saxon heathen's.

So, if you give Scotland one, then you'll open the floodgates for all the tinpot weird little states. Admin will be searching high and low for suitable flags, and unable to give the wonderful, efficient service they normally do.

Excuse me, I'm burbling, sat at work, bored and wondering how to wangle a flight on G-MIMA before she is handed back.

Carry on as if you were normal.

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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:06 pm

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 21):
Not willing to join the big family reunion, Thom@s?

Hell no, you keep your little playgroup... We've got Schengen... Big grin

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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:11 pm

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 22):
Excuse me, I'm burbling, sat at work,

And I honestly thought you were retired and in an old folks home  Silly
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:11 pm

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 23):
Hell no, you keep your little playgroup... We've got Schengen... Big grin

I really don't see what makes you reluctant to do business with us French... Aren't we the most humble, respectful, trustworthy, courageous, responsible people in the world?  cheerful  Just ask Gkirk, he'll tell you.  Wink

No?

Oh, well...  Silly

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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:15 pm

Now, now young Mr Kirk, you know fine well I am a hard working, energetic, pro-active, enthusiastic member of the BACX team, dedicated to passenger comfort and safety.  liar 

Now get a job and make yourself useful!!! Like wot I is.

And if you believe any of that twaddle, you are very sad!!!!!!!

Have a nice Tuesday

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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:38 pm

The Scottish flag is slowly becoming the NW DC9 of the non-av.
 
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:40 pm

But it is a much more important topic than the NW DC-9s  Wink
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:11 pm

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 13):
Also notice that Scotland is NOT famous for sheep

Maybe, but Gkirk is.  Smile
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:36 pm

But which one is the real Scottish flag?

This one




or this one




There will be a fight for that next  Wink
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:52 pm

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 30):
But which one is the real Scottish flag?

The white cross on a white background is the most appropriate.
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:08 pm

oh God, not this topic again. this has been beaten to death a number of times, like here http://www.airliners.net/discussions/site_related/read.main/33268/

and btw, Scotland is not a country - not diplomatic representation, treaty-making abilities, currency....I could go on, but won't.
 
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:22 pm

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 32):
oh God, not this topic again.

If you don't like it, just refrain yourself to answer.Just ignore it!
Is that simple.
Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 32):
currency

Are you referring to their "own" currency? The EU community get rid of their owns too, and we can't say that they don't have one.

[Edited 2005-04-05 16:25:58]
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:30 pm

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 32):
oh God, not this topic again. this has been beaten to death a number of times, like here

Now imagine what it's like to put up with them whingeing over 1000 years and more.  Wink

I trust your admiration for the stoicism and forbearance of the English people has increased markedly. Big grin
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:31 pm

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 32):
and btw, Scotland is not a country - not diplomatic representation, treaty-making abilities, currency....I could go on, but won't.

Nor is the USA then, it's just the daughter of the UK  Wink
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:42 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 33):
Are you referring to their "own" currency? The EU community get rid of their owns too, and we can't say that they don't have one.

no, I'm referring to the fact that Scotland does not have an independent currency away from the rest of the UK. They have no independent central bank.

Quoting Banco (Reply 34):
I trust your admiration for the stoicism and forbearance of the English people has increased markedly

it certainly has!

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 35):
Nor is the USA then, it's just the daughter of the UK

chuckle, chuckle. except we succeeded in our revolution against the motherland, unlike the Scots!!
 
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:46 pm

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 36):
except we succeeded in our revolution against the motherland

"Motherland"?  Wow! We are NOT taking responsibility for Scotland!
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:52 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 37):
"Motherland"? We are NOT taking responsibility for Scotland!

Only if you consider it as the B*****d son that the family tries to forget about as an embarassment Big grin
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:54 pm

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 36):
no, I'm referring to the fact that Scotland does not have an independent currency away from the rest of the UK. They have no independent central bank.

We have our own Banknotes and Banks  Wink
Bank of Scotland
Royal BANK OF sCOTLAND
Clydesdale Bank
All of which have their own notes.
Hell we still have £1 notes up here  Wink
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:56 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 39):
Hell we still have £1 notes up here

Only because in the 20 years since they were abolished you lot have been too tightfisted to let go of them. Big grin
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:01 am

We've also just had a bill passed up here in which you can only use Scottish bank notes in Scotland. So if any of you lot come up here with those dodgy English banknotes, burn them  Wink
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:12 am

RBS being one of the biggest banks in the world. That's not Royal Bank of United Kingdom. You'd be surprised how easy it is to have Scottish bank notes turned away elsewhere in the UK, does that make for one united country? Nah.

[Edited 2005-04-05 17:36:19]
 
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:17 am

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 42):
be surprised how easy it is to have Scottish bank notes turned away in the elsewhere in the UK

That's sadly true. My local petrol station has a sign pinned up saying they won't accept Scottish notes, and I've pointed out they aren't allowed to do that, as they are legal tender.
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:56 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Thread starter):
It is said to be one of the oldest national flags of any country, dating back at least to the 12th century.

The Danish flag dates from 1219 and is considered the oldest national flag in the world, but again, the Scottish flag might be older since Scotland isn't a country  sarcastic .

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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 2:13 am

Quoting SK A340 (Reply 44):
the Scottish flag might be older since Scotland isn't a country sarcastic .

Scotland is as much of a country as Sweden is
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 2:39 am

I would suggest that the reason to have only one, UK flag for all UK based A-netters, including you sheep buggers in Scotland, *humor*, is that Scotland doesn't have it's own internet government designation, like .ru for Russia.
I recognize from my visits (2) to Scotland, some of you don't really recognize London and the Queen's authority (although she spends part of her summer there), have strange eating habits (haggis), are the only ones on the island that really know how to make an alcoholic beverage (ahhh Scots Whiskey, single malt of course) and your own paper money (and yes, once you go beyond the Scot border, they don't recognize Scots money), but does that mean you should have your own flag? Besides, the administrators have enough problems keeping us and this site in order and using more flags will keep more flames going. As to the suggestion of USA members using state flags...how would you handle were the state flag includes elements of the CSA battle flag? Some of them are pretty ugly too.
Let's all try to get along...including you Gkirk.
 
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:14 am

Er, kirky, the Isle of Man still uses pound notes too - and we DO have our own currency, and parliament, legislative council etc.

And the Manx aslo have a law about being able to kill Scotsmen on the beach with a bow and arrow on certain days of the year Big grin

Bloody pound notes are a pain - make you think you got a fiver and it isn't!

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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:22 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 45):
Scotland is as much of a country as Sweden is

Indeed, UK is to Scotland as Scandanavia is to Sweden.  Wink
 
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RE: Why Not The Scotland Flag @ A.net?

Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:41 am

Gkirk...wrong... we whipped yer Limey asses fair and square...with a little hep from yer neighbors the French...
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