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TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:01 pm

I'm particularly interested in hearing the reactions of the British members here.

What did you make of the wedding?

What do you make of their union?

Has your local national parliament made any moves to recognise Camilla one day as Princess Consort and not Queens Consort?

How are the 15 other nations for which Charles may serve as head of state reacting?

Personally - meh, it does nothing to endear myself to the Prince of Wales, The Queen or Prince Henry/Harry. Towards Prince William and The now Duchess of Cornwall I am largely indifferent. It is a reminder to Republicans that unless something is done - those two will one day be the supreme royal couple.

I did hear a few "booos" from the crowd - and to be honest - it endeared me to Britain a little more (was that you and Jack McConnell, Kirkie?).

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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:13 pm

QFF, indeed it was me and Jack booing  Wink
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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:15 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (Thread starter):
Personally - meh, it does nothing to endear myself to the Prince of Wales, The Queen or Prince Henry/Harry. Towards Prince William and The now Duchess of Cornwall I am largely indifferent. It is a reminder to Republicans that unless something is done - those two will one day be the supreme royal couple.

I did hear a few "booos" from the crowd - and to be honest - it endeared me to Britain a little more (was that you and Jack McConnell, Kirkie?).

The vast, vast majority of Brits don't care at all. Most of the rest simply like to read about it in 'Heat', 'OK!' and 'HELLO!!!!'.
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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:18 pm

Im watching it now on TV. I love the Royal family and I wish them the best of luck.

Prince Charles is hard working and Camilla is a nice lady who has stood by Charles through thick and thin. They really love each other and I am happy they are now married.
 
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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:22 pm

I get quite upset when I hear foreigners slagging off our Royal family.
 
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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:26 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 4):
I get quite upset when I hear foreigners slagging off our Royal family.

We in the UK slag them off too you know  Wink
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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:43 pm

Yes, I know but somehow it dosent bother me as much as when foreigners slag them off. Its almost like someone slagging off a mamber of my own family, I get all defensive.
 
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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:55 pm

Your a Jock kirkie, and you lot havent been happy since we booted the Stuarts off the throne Big grin

Orion, I am also a supporter of the Royal Family, but I am buggered if I am spending the afternoon watching a bleedin' wedding, lol!

Better things to do like relax and fings.

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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:28 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 3):
Prince Charles is hard working and Camilla is a nice lady who has stood by Charles through thick and thin.

Yes he does work hard for the UK, and I imagine that a woman who doesn't even let marriage get in the way of her loyalty to a man certainly has a strong sense of self.

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 6):
Yes, I know but somehow it dosent bother me as much as when foreigners slag them off. Its almost like someone slagging off a mamber of my own family, I get all defensive.

What particular instances or comments are you referring? What nationalities were these people?

What I found rather funny (perhaps others found offensive) was the guy on CNN, an American. He was doing the commentary saying things like: "Here are Their Highnesses, The King and Queen Elizabeth".

Oh deary deary me.

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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:56 am

What I found rather funny (perhaps others found offensive) was the guy on CNN, an American. He was doing the commentary saying things like: "Here are Their Highnesses, The King and Queen Elizabeth" -QFF

I caught that bit too. Americans are generally ill-informed on the intricacies of Royal Titles and protocol. But I do know that The Queen is referred to as "Her Majesty" and The Duke is HRH The Duke of Edinburgh.

Regarding Camilla, or HRH The Duchess of Cornwall, she waited 30 years for that man. She's either the ultimate social climber or the world's greatest actress OR maybe she actually loves the guy. More power to her.
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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 4:08 am

The thoughts of a foreigner.

I hope that the couple have found their happiness and that the Prince is able to continue to do his job as the Queen and PM have given it to him.

As for the rest.....I kind of think it's cool to have a Queen as head of state, but it's anathema to me at the same time. Cool for the UK......not for us. Conflicted but a steadfast friend to all the island nations there, from which my fathers family descended.

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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:31 am

Go Charles! Originally, the man was (forced? compelled? someone please clarify) to marry his (first or second?) cousin, Diana.

I think it's wonderful to marry someone you've been in love with for 30+ years. Charles has every right to marry and be happy as anyone else. It's not like Charles is marrying some bimbo 20 years his junior. I think they're a very cute middle-aged couple, and I wish them the very best.

And I have no problem with him calling those paparazzi "those bloody people" in Switzerland. The paparazzi killed Diana. Charles showed a lot of restraint. I would have said something far worse.   Silly

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QFF - how's Monaco?

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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:58 am

Couple of musings

I don't think he will ever take the throne. In fact I'm pretty sure that this wedding is a lead-up to that happening. Before the legislation is presented to Parliament he will arrange a form of abdication.

Secondly, I'm glad he has found happiness. That Diana fiasco was obviously a case of two people acting with others pulling the strings. If she was still alive she would probably have been there today as the two had made their peace.

Charlie came from a family where showing affection was regarded a a sign of weakness or something the plebs did. His childhood, with a cryogenic mother and potty, brutally mannered father, must have damaged him emotionally. If he's found love and can even manage to love in return then I think on a purely human level he deserves it.

Maybe the future is in a more Spanish style of monarchy with William at the helm. The rigidity of Elizabeth and her "firm" isn't what is needed for the 21st century, and she can't have many more dances on her card anyway. Charles should allow the throne to pass and enjoy what's left of his life without the strict monarchy obligations and protocols, as he has already paid for it with his damaged childhood and earlier adult life.
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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 8:14 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 4):
I get quite upset when I hear foreigners slagging off our Royal family.



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 6):
Yes, I know but somehow it dosent bother me as much as when foreigners slag them off. Its almost like someone slagging off a mamber of my own family, I get all defensive.

Just one thing, QFF is Australian and most people on this forum know his outspoken views regarding the Royal Family, but despite that they are his Royal Family as well and he is entitled to voice his opinion about them.

I must be ill or something, I can't believe I'm sticking up for QFF, don't worry normal service will be resumed next time. Big grin
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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 8:47 am

good on them, but it's time that we Australians do away with the Royal family.
 
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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 9:49 am

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 11):
Go Charles! Originally, the man was (forced? compelled? someone please clarify) to marry his (first or second?) cousin, Diana.

lol um, what the? Diana was NOT his cousin - there may have been some distant relation through marriage 9 generations ago, but that's where the familiarity ends. He was never forced to marry Diana. Why he didn't marry Camilla - I have no idea.

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 11):
QFF - how's Monaco?

I go on Monday.

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 13):
Just one thing, QFF is Australian and most people on this forum know his outspoken views regarding the Royal Family, but despite that they are his Royal Family as well and he is entitled to voice his opinion about them.

Well thank you Gman. I did just want to clarify with Orion737 if he was offended by nationals of the 15 nations aside from the UK who have QEII as head of state.

But a small gesture of solidarity every once in a while is lovely.  Wink

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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:39 am

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 15):
lol um, what the? Diana was NOT his cousin - there may have been some distant relation through marriage 9 generations ago, but that's where the familiarity ends. He was never forced to marry Diana. Why he didn't marry Camilla - I have no idea.

You're probably right. I thought I heard that Diana and Charles were cousins, but I'm sure I'm wrong. After all it's England, not West Virginia. Stupid me.
 
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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 11:11 am

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 12):
I don't think he will ever take the throne. In fact I'm pretty sure that this wedding is a lead-up to that happening. Before the legislation is presented to Parliament he will arrange a form of abdication.

Well, I always considered this a strong possibility just because he might not outlive his mother!

To which legislation are you referring? Is there a move afoot to force abdication?
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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:25 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 15):
Why he didn't marry Camilla - I have no idea.

What I heard, and I have no idea of tha validity of this, Charles came to Australia to goto school or something of that nature and by the time he returned back to the UK Camilla was engaged to marry someone else. Like I said not sure of the validity of that story.

Frankly it would have been better if he did marry Camilla in the first place then I would not have to put up with this ever lasting Charles and Camilla saga. But then again had he married Camilla in the first place there would still be something being said in the news, something I didn't need to know about nor care about. But then there are those who do care.
 
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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:48 pm

I have three questions:

1) what will determine whether Camilla will have the style and title of "Queen" or not?

2) is their marriage recognized by the Anglican Church? On one hand, they went to "City Hall" because Camilla is divorced and her ex-husband still lives. On the other, they had this "blessing" in the church. How can they be "blessed" yet not "married in church"? Or maybe more exactly, does the church consider them to be "living in sin" now or not? I don't understand what's going on here.

3) How come Edward VIII abdicated to marry a divorcee, yet Charles can just go ahead and do it? Is it because the marriage is a civil one and he has already two sons and potential heirs? Or is it because society is more liberal today?

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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 8:09 pm

Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 17):
Well, I always considered this a strong possibility just because he might not outlive his mother!

If that were to happen, am I right in assuming that that would make the Duke of York the heir to the throne, as the eldest male child of the sovereign?
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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 8:28 pm

Quoting Duke (Reply 19):
1) what will determine whether Camilla will have the style and title of "Queen" or not?

British law. The Prime Minister of the UK has said that if requested, he would alter legislation to allow Camilla to be recognised as the Princess Consort - and not Queen as she would be under the current arrangements.

Of course, this would have to be in consultation with 15 other nations - Canada included.

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RE: TRH The Duke & Duchess Of Cornwall, Your Thoughts?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:43 pm

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 13):
Just one thing, QFF is Australian and most people on this forum know his outspoken views regarding the Royal Family, but despite that they are his Royal Family as well and he is entitled to voice his opinion about them.

Does it mean that if TRH are not "ours", we cannot express our views on them? From what I have seen on this forum, being a citizen from a given country has never prevented harsh criticism directed towards foreign countries/citizens.  Wink
Cf. the recurring (often legitimate) French-bashing that routinely takes place here.  Smile

As an outsider, I will say that I like the British monarchy. Yes, that from a Frenchman. I like it because in my opinion, a monarchy has never impeded democracy. Some of the most advanced democracies in the world (the Anglo-Saxon member countries of the Commonwealth, Scandinavia, the Netherlands, Japan, Belgium, Spain, etc.) are monarchies, and their levels of corruption or social inequalities certainly compare favourably to France's.

On a more personal point of view, even though I do not like the media circus that surrounds the Royals, I think the Royal Family is a good symbol of some of our societies' illnesses. They are a good example of the debate raging about the right to privacy/transparency. They show what lack of affection/excess of protocol can do to marriages/children raising. Their very existence asks questions about social status, nature or nurture, equality of chance, etc.

Chances are that, one day, the Royals will be "mine". And that does not bother me the least bit. Prince Charles over Chirac any day of the week!!!!  biggrin 

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