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US Visa Non Granted. And Your Money Not Back

Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:42 pm

In another thread [not related with this], some of us briefly discussed the fact that the U.S. Consulate charge you US$100,00 for the application of a tourist/business entry visa. Such visa must [of course] can be deny, or granted for 6 months, 1, 5 or 10 years, or sometime in between.

The fact is that if you or family apply and the visa [or visas] is[are] deny, the U.S. Consulate simply don't give the money back. You loose what you paid.

What do think about that?
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:47 pm

Well, I just went thru that gamble and won a ten year tourist visa!!!I think it stinks,but usually there is no reason for them to reject your visa, unless....

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Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:56 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Thread starter):
The fact is that if you or family apply and the visa [or visas] is[are] deny, the U.S. Consulate simply don't give the money back. You loose what you paid.

What do think about that?

I think that the application fee is something very inherent in Western institution. I have been paying assloads for medical school application fees in this cycle. If I get rejected, I can't expect to get my application fee back.
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 4:40 pm

This used to cause problems when I was responsible for EMEA for a travel company. US visa applications used to cost $10 a person, so those wishing to go there on hoiday would take the risk. But when it went up to $100, the number of people prepared to go through the process dropped off significantly. Purely on anecdotal evidence, the feeling was that all too often, two or three family members would be granted a visa, but one or two wouldn't - and if you're a family of four, $400 is a lot of money to risk when you might not be able to go at the end of it.
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RE: US Visa Non Granted. And Your Money Not Back

Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:59 pm

I think it's normal that you have to pay for the work others do...They do it even if you are not allowed to enter in the Usa.

I don't think it's something that only Usa does also other nations do it, I just came back from Iran and I remember that on the visa application form there was written that the money you had to pay wouldn't be returned even if the visa wasn't issued.

But I can understand the disappointment a person could have when they deny his entry visa!

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Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:54 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 3):
Purely on anecdotal evidence, the feeling was that all too often, two or three family members would be granted a visa, but one or two wouldn't

Indeed, it reminds me of some family friends who applied for US tourist visas about 3 years ago for a family of 4 (father, mother, 11 yr old daughter, 9 year old son). The visas were approved for the father, mother and daughter - but the 9 year old boy was denied as a 214(b) case - namely that there was risk the 9 year old would abandon his family and become an illegal worker.  confused 

The family went to Eurodisney instead. Their French visas were processed within 24 hours and the kids didn't even have to skip school to be interviewed and fingerprinted.
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RE: US Visa Non Granted. And Your Money Not Back

Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:25 pm

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 5):
The visas were approved for the father, mother and daughter - but the 9 year old boy was denied as a 214(b) case - namely that there was risk the 9 year old would abandon his family and become an illegal worker.

That is so funny it makes me cry. Nice to see that INS doing its job and keeping 9 year olds from becoming illegal workers.
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RE: US Visa Non Granted. And Your Money Not Back

Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:47 pm

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 5):
The visas were approved for the father, mother and daughter - but the 9 year old boy was denied as a 214(b) case - namely that there was risk the 9 year old would abandon his family and become an illegal worker.

A 8 years old kid working illegally?
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:52 pm

So the 9 year old went to Eurodisney and works there as one the Seven Dwarfs instead of at Disneyland Smile
 
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Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:36 am

Most embassies/consulates must fund their own existence in a foreign land. They get little financial support from thier "home" country. This is why most fees are levied. Of course they dont know you from Ronald McDonald when you apply so they must conduct a background check. If you fail to pass this check, in most instances your application will be denied without refund. It costs to make a decision surrounding an application. The USA (or any nation for that matter) is not in a position to take any chances.

To some this may not seem as fair but being fair is not the name of the game.
 
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Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:50 am

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 2):
I think that the application fee is something very inherent in Western institution. I have been paying assloads for medical school application fees in this cycle. If I get rejected, I can't expect to get my application fee back.

Australia seems to have the same problem. If I want to get a spouse visa for my wife to live with me in Australia, I have to pay A$5000 which is non-refundable and can take up to 2 years to be approved.

When I moved to Japan, my spouse visa was free and processed/approved in 2 days.

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Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:23 am

Quoting Yu138086 (Reply 9):
The USA (or any nation for that matter) is not in a position to take any chances.

The only one taking chances here are the visa´s applicant.
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RE: US Visa Non Granted. And Your Money Not Back

Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:43 am

Quoting Simo82 (Reply 4):
I think it's normal that you have to pay for the work others do...

Perfectly normal, but $100? And in addition, you must buy a GTQ100 (around $13) phone card to call the US Embassy for your appointment (don't know if it's the same for all countries).

And I've heard countless cases of entire families applying for visas, when one of the members is denied the visa, thus spoiling the trip for the entire family...

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Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:53 am

The point is, you don't actually buy a visa. You pay the processing costs which are flat rated. So if your application fails, they are not obliged to refund you for not obtaining something you weren't paying for anyway!

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Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:38 am

This application fee makes sense, after all every country has the right to adopt its regulations regarding foreigner visitors.

Yet, the key word is reciprocity. If your country charges $100 to my citizens, my country will charge $100 to yours. That way fairness is upheld.
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Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:50 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 14):
This application fee makes sense, after all every country has the right to adopt its regulations regarding foreigner visitors.

Oh, sure. It's entirely up to the US what they charge. Just so long as they're aware that it does reduce the level of tourism to some extent. If they're happy with the trade-off then so be it. The American tourism industry dislikes it though, for obvious reasons.
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Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:47 am

Again, it's not $100, that's only the VISA, you have to add:

Intermediate Company (you can't do it directly)
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Delivery
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Consulate Interview

The total cost is about $130-$140, and the asnwer you get if they refuse you is "you don't qualify for tourism in the USA". Can you believe it???
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Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:18 am

$100? Try going for a green card after, $5,000 and counting.

I support the "no refunds" policy. I really can't see asking the taxpayers to support these immigration services more than necessary basic funding for the federal programs. You want to come to the country, you pay for the documents and services required. Denial is a risk you take and that shouldn't negate paying labour and research costs associated with your application.

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Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:21 am

I don't see what the big deal is. Like everyone else said, there are processing fees involved wether you are granted it or not.

It's really not that much money..
 
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RE: US Visa Non Granted. And Your Money Not Back

Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:43 pm

Quoting AC320 (Reply 17):
I support the "no refunds" policy.

I don't.

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 18):
I don't see what the big deal is. Like everyone else said, there are processing fees involved wether you are granted it or not.

It's really not that much money..

Say that to a family of three, that doesn't earn US Dollars. Just local currency.
If you pay for something [a visa], and the visa is not granted based in the Consulate representative criteria, you deserve your money back.

I'm not questioning if a country has the undoubtedly right to refuse a non immigrant visa. My question is about the retention of the fee.

The processing fee involved is effective when the visa is granted, not when is denied.
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Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:53 pm

Why don't you go and try to set up a meeting with the US Ambassador to your country and see if you can get some answers?

Let's suppose you got the VISA, will you then stop spending once you reach the USA because prices are in US Dollars? Why are you crying about pennies (relatively speaking) if you CAN afford to apply for a VISA and then pay for your onward travel and subsequent stay in the USA? Keep in mind that there are many in your country that cannot.

Its not a right to have your application processed. They do not have to accept your application at all and i've heard of instances where they have rejected peoples applications without offering any explanation (without taking the fee of course).

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Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:14 am

It is an "application" fee. The justification is that someone (who is paid a salary) has to process it. Otherwise it is a dead loss for the department and as a taxpayer I don't wish to subsidise your desire to come here. Application fees are in common use the world over. When I want to visit your country I will pay all fees or not go. Simple choices.

They are not selling visas. They are agreeing to consider your application - at your expense.

Here in the US, if you want to be an airline pilot you have to pay an application fee just to apply for the job. It is almost certain that you will NOT be hired - they only hire maybe one in two hundred applicants.

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Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:10 am

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 18):
It's really not that much money..

For Americans maybe, but if you for once think beyond your borders (it won't hurt), you'd understand that life cost is much lower in Latin America than in the USA, so US$ is a lot of money for many people.
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RE: US Visa Non Granted. And Your Money Not Back

Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:34 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 21):
They are agreeing to consider your application - at your expense.

Pretty expensive as for a 2 minute interview.
 
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Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:45 am

When you apply for the visa you apply with the understanding that your processing fee, regardless of outcome, is non-refundable. The application fee goes to pay for services rendered by the INS, again regardless of outcome, as people need to be paid for their work as well as the cost of materials etc. needs to be covered. My advice is not to apply if you're not willing to take this risk.
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Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:28 am

If, as is alleged, it is a mere "application fee" why is that you pay more for a visa that is valid for a longer period of time. The same "application" form is used with the same questions asked. Are there more stringent background checkes if say, you're applying for a 10-year visa as opposed to a transit visa (valid for a fortnight), or a 6-month visa? Just wondering.

Also, why would US citizens have to pay a higher rate to get a visa to certain countries than others trying to obtain a visa to the same country? Is the "application process" more complex in the US?



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Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:36 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 19):
If you pay for something [a visa], and the visa is not granted based in the Consulate representative criteria, you deserve your money back.

Well, others have said it, and SlamClick made it pretty clear, but here goes:

You are paying for the application review, not the Visa itself. Clear?

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Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:52 am

Quoting Arcano (Reply 16):
Intermediate Company (you can't do it directly)

How so?

I applied for a US visa last December and got it for 10 years. Even though I'm also a German passportholder I decided it would be less hassle to enter the USA with a visa.

I first had to go to a Citibank branch, where I paid 13 pesos (about 4 dollars) in order to get the interview. After getting a PIN from the US Consulate, I went to a Banco Ciudad de Buenos Aires branch and paid the infamous 100 dollars in pesos (wonder why one can't pay in dollars). A couple of days later I went to the (crowded) Consulate and had my interview.

I did the whole process myself, just having to phone the US Consulate once to get the PIN code. Maybe that's only here in Argentina, but what's that intermediate company thing in Chile?

As for prices, it costed me 104 dollars (100 for the visa application + 4 for the interview).

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Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:06 am

Well now i don't feel so bad....i'm an english citizen living in canada and have to pay $6USD every 3 months for a tourist visa, i thought i was being ripped off!! Obviously not! It's still a hassle going through, but i've never had any problems with the customs guys...some of them are complete idiots and others are nice and polite......i've learnt to take my sunglasses off, smile and look at their eyes when i'm talking, But hey, all i have to do is drive up to the border, i don't have to turn up at an airpoirt or anything!

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RE: US Visa Non Granted. And Your Money Not Back

Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:23 am

Quoting AC320 (Reply 17):
I support the "no refunds" policy. I really can't see asking the taxpayers to support these immigration services more than necessary basic funding for the federal programs. You want to come to the country, you pay for the documents and services required.

I agree. It's immigrants (not tax-payers) that benefit from these entry visas, so they should pay for them. Since there is a cost in processing (whether it is approved or not), the no-refund policy is fair.

Potential visitors completely outraged at this, are of course free to visit other countries instead. No real loss to the US.

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 14):
Yet, the key word is reciprocity. If your country charges $100 to my citizens, my country will charge $100 to yours. That way fairness is upheld.

No. 3rd world nations heavily dependent on Western nations for tourism will lose a significant # of visitors if they impose such charges, and will lose far more than the US in return.
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Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:16 pm

It's funny [and of course respectable] the attitude of defend the "non return policy". And how, another people in the other side try to avoid to pay reciprocity. Just take a look to the following link and you'll understand: http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2046780/

By the way, I have the U.S. visa stamped in my passport without interruption since more than 25 years ago. I'm just trying to defend what I consider fair. Of course, opposite positions were expected since the very beginning.
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Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:12 pm

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 26):
You are paying for the application review, not the Visa itself. Clear?

Clear, yes. Agree, NO. Unfortunately I didn't heard from you in the link stated in my reply 30.
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Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:19 pm

It cost me, in England, $150 Canadian to process my work permit/visa application... And it was non-refundable if it was refused.

Money well spent, to be able to stay and work here.

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Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:54 pm

Quoting Marambio (Reply 27):
where I paid 13 pesos

Now it's about 26 pesos, 8 or so dollars.I just did it the last week.

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Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:17 pm

I honestly can't understand why this thread is still going!

For the umpteenth time... now listen and understand kids...

You are not paying for a Visa... you are paying the costs of processing the application. It doesn't matter if the visa was granted or denied. The paperwork has to be processed either way. The fee is for the time and effort it takes to conduct background checks, submit files, etc...

Let it go already!

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RE: US Visa Non Granted. And Your Money Not Back

Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:27 pm

Quoting PA110 (Reply 34):
I honestly can't understand why this thread is still going!

You don't understand just because you disagree... That simple.

You don't like it, don't agree, or simply don't like it. Don't participate.

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Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:45 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 35):
You don't understand just because you disagree... That simple.

Dude, you're beating a dead horse! You can whine all you want, but it is not going to get anyone a refund on a denied visa. That's life. Move on.
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Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:03 pm

Quoting PA110 (Reply 36):
Dude, you're beating a dead horse! You can whine all you want, but it is not going to get anyone a refund on a denied visa. That's life. Move on.

If that's the criterion then virtually every thread on the board is redundant, because it's always something people can't change.

It may be a whinge, but it's a legitimate one. All it comes down to is whether, given the difficulties it causes, you believe the fee is still justified or not. If you do, so be it. As I said earlier, it does make quite a few less inclined to try to visit the US on holiday. The US government clearly feels that's a price worth paying, and that's up to them.  indifferent 
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Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:22 pm

OK fine. Pay the $100+, but have none has said how applicants are generally treated like animals by the US representatives.
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Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:36 pm

Well, by now it is pretty clear that you understand, you just want to bitch about it. When I flew to Latin American countries I knew some things to be true.

  • My company had to bribe officials to be permitted to fly into those countries in the first place. This is over and above any official fees.


  • Latin countries almost always charge fees that exceed those paid by their own flag carriers in the US.


  • Some foreign (Latin) customs officials break the seals on our liquor kits then fine the airline, maybe a thousand dollars a turn for the broken seals. I know they do this because I videotaped the unbroken seals on every last liquor kit before they came aboard once, and they still found three of them "broken." I would have shown them the video tape but I was pretty sure they would have just confiscated my camera as "evidence." ¡Ladrones!


  • That is just the cost of doing business. So frankly, your complaints are not earning much sympathy here. You say you understand but don't agree? Well it is reality. Not agreeing with reality is generally bad for you.
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    Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:42 pm

    Quoting SlamClick (Reply 39):
    My company had to bribe officials to be permitted to fly into those countries in the first place. This is over and above any official fees.

    Something like happened with ENRON?
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    Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:52 pm

    Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 12):
    And in addition, you must buy a GTQ100 (around $13) phone card to call the US Embassy for your appointment (don't know if it's the same for all countries).

    In Belgium it costs about 22 EUR, it's a machine that guides you through different menu's (and it takes time and money because it's a special number which is more expensive than normal lines) and makes an appointment. So if the first date or hour doesn't suit you, it will mention different dates or hours until you agree to one.

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    Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:01 am

    Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 40):
    Something like happened with ENRON?

    Yes, rather like that. But you need to remember that Enron did not invent the mordida.

    If you will just accept that nations do not "sell" visas, work permits etc. etc. you might begin to see how petulant your complaint is.

    You go to Las Vegas, you run up your credit cards, you gamble all your money and you don't win - ask for your money back. When they stop laughing, perhaps they can explain it to you.

    One more thing: No one on this forum can get your money back for you.
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    Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:41 am

    Quoting SlamClick (Reply 42):
    You go to Las Vegas, you run up your credit cards, you gamble all your money and you don't win - ask for your money back. When they stop laughing, perhaps they can explain it to you.

    Yea.. but at least they entertain you while you are loosing, not treating you like garbage.
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    Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:50 am

    Quoting Mt99 (Reply 43):
    Yea.. but at least they entertain you while you are loosing, not treating you like garbage.

    No one was treated like garbage. Grow up!

    TACAA320 voiced no complaint about the treatment - just about not getting the money back. That has been discussed and explained ad nauseum now. Get over it.
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    Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:55 am

    Quoting SlamClick (Reply 42):
    But you need to remember that Enron did not invent the mordida.

    Of course they not invented "the mordida". But how GOOD they learned it.

    Quoting SlamClick (Reply 42):
    If you will just accept that nations do not "sell" visas, work permits etc. etc. you might begin to see how petulant your complaint is.

    As petulant is the attitude of some U.S. citizens trying to do something like this, in some Latin American countries. Just follow the link>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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    RE: US Visa Non Granted. And Your Money Not Back

    Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:58 am

    Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 45):
    Of course they not invented "the mordida". But how GOOD they learned it.

    And if US companies did not pay their bribes so they could do business in your country you would be complaining about that.

    The link you provided is broken.
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    RE: US Visa Non Granted. And Your Money Not Back

    Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:05 am

    Quoting SlamClick (Reply 44):
    No one was treated like garbage. Grow up!

    TACAA320 voiced no complaint about the treatment - just about not getting the money back. That has been discussed and explained ad nauseum now. Get over it.

    He didnt. But i am. There.
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    RE: US Visa Non Granted. And Your Money Not Back

    Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:05 am

    Quoting SlamClick (Reply 46):
    And if US companies did not pay their bribes so they could do business in your country you would be complaining about that.

    Let see. We are just trying to learn from the ENRON case.

    Quoting SlamClick (Reply 46):
    The link you provided is broken.

    Is the same from reply 30. And it´s working.
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    RE: US Visa Non Granted. And Your Money Not Back

    Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:09 am

    This information is from 2003, but is still very much valid in 2005. This refusal of visas by the US is no more prevalent than in Russia, where the US Embassy still has a cold-war hostile attitude towards the Russian people.

    In 2003, the US Embassy denied 25% of all visitor visa applications. On the other hand, the UK and Finnish Embassies denied less than 5% of all visitor visa applications. In 2003, the US Embassy denied over 30,000 visa applications within a matter of minutes of the applicant walking thru the door -- that's a cool US$3 million that the Embassy has basically robbed from the applicants. And I say robbed, because the embassy officers often do not even look at supporting documentation when determining their decision - usually made in 2-3 minutes of the person walking in the door.

    There are plenty of horror stories on the net where you can see the expenses that some people are out of pocket for a 2 minute interview in which they didn't have a chance of getting anywhere. What makes it even worse is that in Russia (as in many other countries) applicants have to make a trip to the capital (i.e. Moscow) and apply in person at the Embassy. This is even though there are consulates in other cities which should have the authority to issue visas. Just imagine the cost that a family of 5 from Anadyr (far far far Far Eastern Russia) would incur in flying to Moscow, paying for accommodation and the like, just to attend an interview in which they will be denied. All that money down the drain. And even worse, what if that family from Anadyr only wanted to travel to Alaska (a short trip across the Bering Strait)? It's ridiculous.

    On the other hand, Russian visa formalities can be just as much of a pain in the arse, but at least their refusal rates are no where that of the US embassy, and you don't have to travel (often at great expense) to attend the consulate/embassy in person.

    Anyway, the US isn't the only country like this. Australia is just as bad in the way that our embassies and high commissions treat potential visitors as a money for nothing cash machine.

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