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The Funeral Of SAS Le Prince Souverain A Monaco

Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:11 pm

The funeral is ending just now. It is an extremely sad time here in Monaco - we are all quite moved by the events of the last few days. I arrived with my daughters a few days ago to be with my wife and her family who are Monegasques. On the 12th we went to the Church within the Palace to pay our respects to the Prince - he looked very peaceful - the room was subdued with lots of flowers. The tourists have been absolutely wonderful about everything being closed and have behaved absolutely respectfully without exception.

I must say - one does feel that it is the end of an era. Prince Rainier was Monaco for many many years - he personified what this nation stood for. But I cannot help but believe in my heart - that Albert is the future of this nation, and that through his leadership, Monaco will enjoy a new prosperous era, different from the last.

I did not attend the funeral, however my wife and my parents in law did go. Our daughters and I were allowed to stand opposite the cathedral as the Prince was brought in, and as the Princely family as well as other dignitiaries arrived.

It is absolutely such a bizzare day - very very sad, but so poignantly unusual.

Apologies if I'm talking rubbish, but I can't help but feel that I just witnessed a little bit of history.

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RE: The Funeral Of SAS Le Prince Souvereign A Monaco

Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:13 pm

I hear NCE is closed this afternoon due to all the VIP arrivals - there's certainly been quite a few military helicopters buzzing about. How many crowned heads attended ?
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RE: The Funeral Of SAS Le Prince Souverain A Monaco

Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:21 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
How many crowned heads attended ?

King of the Belgians, King of Spain, King and Queen of Sweden, Duke of York - those were the one's I saw. Of course all of the Grimaldis were there - including the Polignacs. Been quite a long time since they've all been in the one room together. Chirac of course, head of the IOC, Grand Duke of Luxembourg were there also.

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RE: The Funeral Of SAS Le Prince Souverain A Monaco

Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:05 pm

One of our guys was on a flight from FRA to NCE yesterday, and sat near the Queen of Norway, so he tells me - her and several burly blond gentlemen, with earpieces. At least it was business class, so the poor dear wasn't completely slumming it. You'd think Norway could shell out some of that North Sea oil money on a "G" for their Royals.
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RE: The Funeral Of SAS Le Prince Souverain A Monaco

Sat Apr 16, 2005 5:48 am

Ever notice how the Windsors always send lesser Royals to Grimaldi events? Diana was dispatched once or twice I believe, but Her Majesty, The Duke of Edinburgh and the dear departed Queen Mum never lowered themselves to be seen in Monaco.

No offense to The Duke of York, I've always thought Andrew would be the most fun to hang out with.

But R.I.P. Prince Ranier, a true class act.
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RE: The Funeral Of SAS Le Prince Souverain A Monaco

Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:49 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 4):
Ever notice how the Windsors always send lesser Royals to Grimaldi events?

Ah yes - there is a long history of this. Some of the older royals are of the belief that the Grimaldis are not of equal royal station to constitute any monarch to monarch interaction. I believe the Queen had never met Prince Rainier.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 4):
Diana was dispatched once or twice I believe, but Her Majesty, The Duke of Edinburgh and the dear departed Queen Mum never lowered themselves to be seen in Monaco.

Diana was never dispatched - she was a very good friend of Princess Grace. Grace was like a mentor for Diana in those first few years as the Princess of Wales. But yes - the Queen Mother, The Queen or the Duke of Edinburgh have never appeared at any public events in Monaco (Can't say for certain if they have ever visited). One story I found amusing was that sometime in the late 19th century Queen Victoria was passing through the principality - yet would not stop, nor raise the blinds of her carriage as she believed Monaco was a bastion of ungodly behaviour.

lol If she could only see what became of her great-great grandchildren.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 4):
No offense to The Duke of York, I've always thought Andrew would be the most fun to hang out with.

Nothing offensive about that - I completely agree. In my opinion he is the only normal one in the family.

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RE: The Funeral Of SAS Le Prince Souverain A Monaco

Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:52 am

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 5):
Ah yes - there is a long history of this. Some of the older royals are of the belief that the Grimaldis are not of equal royal station to constitute any monarch to monarch interaction.

QANTAS:

I had never heard of this, can you give me more details as I am ignorant on this matter?

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RE: The Funeral Of SAS Le Prince Souverain A Monaco

Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:10 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (Thread starter):
Prince Rainier was Monaco for many many years - he personified what this nation stood for

what exactly is it that Monaco stands for? a tax free haven for the rich? i don't think it stands for much more then that does it?
 
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RE: The Funeral Of SAS Le Prince Souverain A Monaco

Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:43 pm

Quoting Kieron747 (Reply 6):
I had never heard of this, can you give me more details as I am ignorant on this matter?

Sure. As you may know - Monaco was an independent Principality within the framework of the French Empire. The Grimaldis were granted the use of the title "Serene Highness" as opposed to "Royal Highness" - as used by other royals and by the Windsors. In short - because of the dubious reputation Monaco had in the 19th century, the fact that the throne was conquered by force and the Serene as opposed to the Royal nature of the ruling house - the British Royals deemed the Grimaldis below their station. As I said the Queen has never met Rainier, nor will she likely meet Albert II. However due to a relative recognition of the Royal nature of the ruling house - this position has thawed a little, and as such the Duke of York attended Prince Rainier's funeral.

Quoting Qantas077 (Reply 7):
what exactly is it that Monaco stands for? a tax free haven for the rich? i don't think it stands for much more then that does it?

I think at this time of mourning, a more sympathetic tone would be more appropriate. To assume Monaco is simply a tax haven for the rich is to assume Australia is all vegemite and kangaroos. It is a false impression. The only advice I can give you is to come to Monaco and experience it for yourself. You will find a nation steeped in spirituality, tradition, and history.

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Sat Apr 16, 2005 7:40 pm

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 8):
You will find a nation steeped in spirituality, tradition, and history.

...and Russian mafia money. I know we all feel sorry about the death of Prince Rainier, and sympathise with the Monagasque for their loss, let's not go overboard. Monaco is what it is, and what it is, is not Bhutan.
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RE: The Funeral Of SAS Le Prince Souverain A Monaco

Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:11 pm

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 8):
Monaco was an independent Principality within the framework of the French Empire. The Grimaldis were granted the use of the title "Serene Highness" as opposed to "Royal Highness" - as used by other royals and by the Windsors.

Aren't the Grimaldi's originally Italian?

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 5):
in the late 19th century Queen Victoria was passing through the principality - yet would not stop, nor raise the blinds of her carriage as she believed Monaco was a bastion of ungodly behaviour.

lol If she could only see what became of her great-great grandchildren.

True perhaps, but Prince Rainier's daughters are no angels themselves. There does not seem to have been a single bodyguard or driver that did not manage to sleep with these 2 girls. I know new blood is good for royal blood lines but Stephanie and Caroline took this advice on with a little too much enthusiasm.

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 8):
I think at this time of mourning, a more sympathetic tone would be more appropriate.

I agree. He was a colourful piece of Europe. Anyway, any man who can run a principality on land carved out of France is A-OK with me.  Wink
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RE: The Funeral Of SAS Le Prince Souverain A Monaco

Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:15 pm

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 10):
Anyway, any man who can run a principality on land carved out of France is A-OK with me.

Technically, it was carved out of Savoy. It became France later.
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RE: The Funeral Of SAS Le Prince Souverain A Monaco

Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:56 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 9):
...and Russian mafia money. I know we all feel sorry about the death of Prince Rainier, and sympathise with the Monagasque for their loss, let's not go overboard. Monaco is what it is, and what it is, is not Bhutan.

True, it is not Bhutan - but I'm talking about the Monegasques and Monegasque culture. That is what is steeped in tradition. Certainly much of the "new money" here is of dubious origin.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 10):
Aren't the Grimaldi's originally Italian?

Genoan, I believe.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 10):
True perhaps, but Prince Rainier's daughters are no angels themselves. There does not seem to have been a single bodyguard or driver that did not manage to sleep with these 2 girls.

I think you may be a little mixed up. Caroline has been pretty much on the straight and narrow after a couple of minor indisgressions in her teens. She is currently married to Prince Ernst of Hanover and has four children. She takes her responsibilities as First Lady of Monaco and next in line to the throne very seriously. Stephanie on the other hand - well, she is a lovely person and a dedicated mother. But I believe it was her that had affairs/children with her bodyguards and her fathers butler.

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RE: The Funeral Of SAS Le Prince Souverain A Monaco

Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:57 am

My condolences to the Monegasque for their loss. When I worked for AF back in the early 80's, the Grimaldis were very frequent passengers. Prince Rainier was always a charming and pleasant person to assist. He never made demands, was always appreciative of our service and frequently said so. A very nice man. I'm really sad to see him pass. The kids, on the other hand, were not always quite as gracious. Caroline was ok, but Stephanie could really be difficult at times. We didn't see Albert all that often.

I was on duty the day Prince Rainier flew back home following Princess Grace's death. He was flying Concorde, and when I came to work, the AF checkin lobby was mobbed by press. At our briefing, we were told that arrangements had been made for Prince Rainier's motorcade to proceed to Lufthansa (then at the opposite side of the IAB at JFK), who would escort him airside, back to our aircraft. We were not to tell the press anything, except to direct them to the public relations officer on duty.

We were all very amused the next day when one of the tabloids claimed to have an "excusive" interview with him at the AF terminal. Never happened. I can guarantee that!

I will always remember him as a nice person.
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