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Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:41 pm

Normalspeed, if you read this, I apologize in advance. I don't mean to offend anyone, but I'd rather offend someone I don't personally know than some of my very best friends.

Okay, this is my personal account of what I know about the LDS Church.

It started three years ago when I was a freshmen at MSU, and became friends with one of the girls in my fraternity (KKPsi, the band frat). She was Mormon. This was my first experience with an actual, live Mormon (there aren't that terribly many in the South).

Fast forward two years, to last fall. I had the opportunity to go home with her and meet her parents, who are absolutely wonderful people (so is she). They're the friendly kind of people that everyone would want to know.

Now, this spring. My friend has converted all three of her roommates. One was baptized last Easter, another the weekend after that (I attended her baptism), and the last will be baptized very soon, probably next weekend. The first one didn't surprise me, because she's not exactly a person of very firm convictions, but the last one does. She's been my friend's roommate the longest, but I would think that she'd have more sense than this (she was a very stable Methodist).

I went from thinking that Mormons were Christians, just a little strange, to realizing that it is a cult, to thinking that Mormons may not be Christians at all. That makes me worry, because I really care about my friends, and yet, while I worry about their souls, I'm afraid of losing their friendship, especially that of the first friend who started it all, because she's such a good person.

But being good does not mean that someone is saved, despite what Mormons believe about the terrestial equivalent of the "good" yet unbelieving people going to the moon or some silly analogy. I learned that yesterday in my second meeting with the local missionaries. They're both nice, earnest guys, but sadly, they're pretty closed-minded. The only reason why I'm talking to them is because I've made comments to my friend about learning more about the LDS Church, but I don't want to ask her, because I don't want to offend her or lose her as a friend. So she sent them to my house, with my permission.



Mormons do not believe in the trinity. They believe that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are three separate beings united in one purpose. That means that Mormonism is polytheistic, not monotheistic.

That is not Christian. The Bible overwhelmingly says otherwise.

Mormons believe that the Bible is not error-free, that it once was accurate, but in translation things have been changed, even in the King James, and it's not perfect, like the Book of Mormon is. God said that His Word would endure forever, and I believe Him.

That is not Christian.
Mormons believe in three Glories. They're the celestial (like the sun), terrestial (like the moon), and telestial (like the stars). They do not believe in Hell. They believe in various levels of salvation based upon good works, which is not Biblical.

This is not Christian.

Mormons split the Holy Ghost into two parts. The gift of power in the Holy Ghost can only be given to a person through men, specifically those of the LDS’ Aaronic Priesthood. Mormons also believe that Christianity basically died out when the last of the 12 original apostles was martyred, or something like that. The true church was not seen again until 1830, when Joseph Smith founded the LDS church. Forget the fact that the Aaronic priesthood’s purpose was ended when Jesus sacrificed himself for us (that’s why the temple veil was torn in two—there was no longer any need for symbolic sacrifices of animals by priests. Jesus had made the ultimate sacrifice.

This is not Christian.


I could go on and on, but I shouldn’t. I’m just another “anti” (anyone that disagrees with Mormons can be discounted because they’re an anti-Mormon and their opinions or beliefs don’t matter). Needless to say, I’m not quite sure how to proceed further. I have read the verses in the Book of Mormon.that I’ve been assigned by the missionaries. I’ve prayed about it, and while I’ve told them that my response was ambiguous (which is sort of true), that was stretching the truth a bit, because I’m pretty sure that God says that Mormonism is false religion. That in itself is dangerous. Mormons do not assert that the Book of Mormon is true, but ask that you pray about it and ask God if it’s true. On the surface, that seems reasonable, but that leaves one open to demonic trickery. I don’t take that lightly, and I don’t think that any Christian should.

How I’m going to tell them no thanks, I’m not sure.


Anyone else have any experiences with Mormons?
 
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:49 pm

Mormon missionary kids stop by my house every summer. I usually fix them some sandwiches, and give them something non-alcoholic to drink. What they're doing is really hard. I don't pile on. But I am firm that they're not gonna get anywhere with their kooky religion in my house. Hell, Hill Cumorah (where Joseph Smith founded the cult) is 15 miles from my house. I've heard it all before. But I'll be nice to the missionaries.
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:53 pm

By the way, don't give them anything with caffeine in it. And tea is still bad for you, even if it's decaffeinated, because it's got tannic acid in it, and it'll "turn your stomach in something like shriveled up leather." That's how I found out that the first of my friends was baptized, I offered her Milo's sweet tea when she was at my house for dinner, which was a temptation, since they can't go into their temples if they've had caffeine or something. She turned it down, and that's when I found out that she had been baptized when I was home for Easter.
 
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:57 pm

MD-90, you are really intrigued by the whole mormon thing, arent you? I'm not saying you should close your mind to it, but do yourself a favor and hit the library... research the crap out of it and make sure you don't jump in for the wrong reason, or rashly. The mormons i've met are good, caring folks, but make no mistake, it is a cult. Not a doomsday cult, but a cult nonetheless.
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:59 pm

There was a Mormon church near my home in PA growing up, but I didn't know anyone that was a Mormon and I don't think we ever got any door-to-door proselytizing visits from them...

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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Sat Apr 16, 2005 4:57 pm

My wife is a lapsed Mormon, and has never tried to get me to join the church. I believe in letting people believe what they want to and get on with life. No, I'm not particularly a Christian either. In fact, Atheist more describes me I suppose.

But all the Mormons I have met have been kind, generous and quite unassuming.

In September I am going to Salt Lake City to meet some friends of ours who are devout Mormons. They don't try to convert me, in fact, we have a bit of a laugh about it, when the subject comes up.

Maybe on home ground they will be a little more aggressive, I don't know. But I feel that I have a good enough relationship with them and my wife to ensure this does not happen.

MD-90, only you can make your mind up about these people, but, as Mark says, do some independant research and, if you don't want to join, then be firm and decisive with them. Don't lose their friendship, but let them know in no uncertain terms that you are happy with your religion as it is and do not want to change.

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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Sat Apr 16, 2005 5:14 pm

We haven't had Mormons at my house in years, even though we have a few families in the neighbourhood. I guess word got out about the high pressure hose and the flour trick I played when I was young and they wouldn't take no for an answer.
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:19 pm

I've had a few at the door. I asked them what the stance on homsexuality is and then came the condemnation. I asked them if God made me gay, why does he hate me so much? No good answer for that. And no other anti-gay denomination can answer that, either.

ALL religions are cults my friends, think for yourself.
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:22 am

Tell them to bog off! If your friends cant respect your beliefs by not trying to influence them they are not worth having as friends.
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:44 am

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
This is not Christian.



Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
while I worry about their souls

Which Fu¢king religon is RIGHT?!?!?! If their religion is right for them, there is NOTHING to worry about, they are going to go to their version of heaven and live happily as all..If yours is right, they are going to hell anyway so what does it matter?

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 3):
but do yourself a favor and hit the library... research the crap out of it and make sure you don't jump in for the wrong reason, or rashly

Brilliant remmark!!! I work with a "Christian" who says "he knows the truth" and that he doesn't need to understand other religions.. Everytime he shows up to the break room and starts...expressing himself... everyone jumps on him with facts about other religions, and it's so embarrasing to watch him show up to a battle of wits TOTALLY un-armed.

I would respect someone who had told me (and could somewhat prove) that they had researched all the religions throughly and found religion X to be the answer. I don't begrudge people who truly believe what they want, but when they show up at my door expecting to come in and have a chat about it I hope they like looking at a VERY FAT UGLY NAKED GUY!!!
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:51 am

I've worked extensively with some people who just happen to be Mormon and some of my very good friends also just happen to be Mormon.

Their religion has never been an issue on either a personal or professional level (except with cheap tabloid newspapers who try to make it one) and quite honestly, I find that Mormons who are active in their church tend to be more trustworthy, open and generally nice people than your average Joe on the street.

They have never tried to actively proselytize with me either. I have been invited to their church on a few occasions, but they have always accepted my polite decline of the invitation with good grace.

Religions are simply different paths that lead to the same ultimate result, a life led on the basis of morally appropriate principles. Whether the religion believes that God takes human, bovine or inanimate form is quite irrelevant. Nitpicking the Mormon faith on the basis of minor incompatibilities with your absolute beliefs is rather self-defeating because overall it appears you actually like the people and are quite curious about what their community has achieved.
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Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:53 am

A couple of mormon blokes once stopped me as I was going to work (Yes, they actually blocked my path and stopped me) . They were dressed like corporate CEOs, with full suit and tie, and were obviously from very rich families. They asked me about my religious practices and whether I believed in God. Upon knowing that I wasn't too religious, and therefore a priority case whose soul had to be saved pronto, they started their preaching with zeal. They gifted me a book of the mormon, which was hard bound and had high quality paper (yes, actually they gave it for free!) and told me all about it, ending the sermon by giving me a card with the address of their church on it.

All thsi time, they hadn't asked me who I was and what I did. After sermonising, when they finally did. I told them that I was a biophysicist doing cancer research, and that I firmly believed that life had evolved, and that all our ancestors were actually apes. After that I walked off.

I turned around after walking a few steps and they were talking angrily to each other, giving me dirty looks. Very odd!
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Sun Apr 17, 2005 1:03 am

The only thing worse than a visit by Mormons is a visit by Jehovah's Witnesses. They are both almost equally tenacious. However, I have a sure fire way of getting rid of both of them instantly. The moment they make their pitch, I tell them to wait one moment while I fetch my boyfriend. We'd both like to hear what they have to say. At this point, they politely say their goodbyes and leave voluntarily. Works every time. I've never had any of them try to "save" us. They are to frightened to be in the presence of homosexuals to stay.
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Sun Apr 17, 2005 1:34 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 9):
If yours is right, they are going to hell anyway so what does it matter?

Not necessarily. That's one of those murky issues.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 11):
They were dressed like corporate CEOs, with full suit and tie, and were obviously from very rich families.

Not likely. They always dress nicely, sometimes in full suit and tie (which used to not be such an odd thing), but I often think of them as I usually see them: white dress shirt (often short-sleeved), tie (usually full windsor knot, I wonder if that's required), black pants, black shoes, and backpack for their books of mormon.
 
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Sun Apr 17, 2005 2:08 am

Quoting PA110 (Reply 12):
Jehovah's Witnesses

I can't say what I want to on this forum and get away with it in reference to above.
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Sun Apr 17, 2005 2:22 am

Yes.

But 2 months later, I saw him at a gay bar and we dated for 6 weeks after that.  Smile
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Sun Apr 17, 2005 3:18 am

"The mormons i've met are good, caring folks, but make no mistake, it is a cult. Not a doomsday cult, but a cult nonetheless"

What relition ISN'T a cult?
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Sun Apr 17, 2005 9:21 pm

I remember one time in particular two missionaries came to the small town in which I was living. I spent eight long years in that miserable place before finally getting back to the city. At any rate one Sunday the missionaries showed up at my church. Their "uniform" is hard to miss and it was late summer. Later that week they showed up at my door and I invited them in. Knowing a bit about their religion I knew not to offer them anything with caffeine or alcohol, so I asked if they would like some water, which they gladly took to cool off. Besides, both were young and away from home and I have always believed in hospitality. I listened to them, mentioned I had seen them at church and we had a nice visit but I told them I was quite happy with my Catholic faith.

They came back some days later on a Monday, and I again asked them in. I was preparing to watch Monday Night Football and suggested they take a break and watch the game too. They didn't stay when they realized I really was not interested in their faith, but both were very pleasant. Pity, as they would have enjoyed the game, I am sure. Actually, I never was sure why they returned a second time. I didn't think they did that.
 
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Mon Apr 18, 2005 12:03 am

One thing I would suggest is not to fall into their traps, but be open to try to understand them. I am a lasped/inactive Roman Catholic, but try to understand various religions including other forms of Christianaty, Islam, Jewish and others, including their variances. From time to time in the past, I have been approached by seekers of new members to the Church of Latter-Day Saints.
When I was in Salt Lake City in September 1998, I took the tour of their headquaters and the Tabernacal (used by their famous choir). People could ask questions and listen to their message as to the basics of their faith. Later, when I visited their family history center, one of the best facilities in the world as to Americans, there were 2 young women whom were assisting me but also tried to put the pressure on me to learn about their faith. I polietly excused myself, realizing that I had to deal with some preaching to get further info.
My brother and his daugher work for a company owned by a LDS member. He has had been approached about learning about their faith but make it clear they were not interested. Do they have some cult like elements? Yes. Do they have some views and policies of thier faith that are discriminatory? Yes, for example only those in good faith can enter one of their Tabernacials for services. Non-mormons cannot attend a church wedding ceremony service. They do require one to prothlise for the faith, and do have some rules that are quirky. I do question a faith based on some farmer in Western NY State finding some golden tablets back in the early 1800's. The discovery occured in a place and time where there Christianity was in a boom time, with many deep belivers and very active in those faiths. Worse, was the terrible violence they forced to endure to practice their faith from narrowminded Christians of the time (so what else is new?), forcing them to move west, first to Illinois and eventually to Utah. The LDS wasn't perfect in it's early days either, with some major conflicts with and killing numerous Native Americans and the multiple wives (polygimay - although that was a time when women couldn't hold property or have their own wealth, nor vote and so on except via their husbands, father or brother, so marriage was the only way for an adult women to be legit).
On the GOOD side, active members of LDS are considered very honest with money. They have often been those whom ran casinos in Nevada before organized crime and later corporations became more involved. The CEO of Jet Blue is a LDS member. They don't believe in using alcohol, and try to limit access to it in places where they dominate the community and to limit abuse but don't stop others from access from purchasing. Best of all, they have an extensive community support/welfare system to help members whom are poor, like food distribution programs, housing help and so on.
 
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Mon Apr 18, 2005 12:48 am

The only religion that badgers me is Jahova's Witness. They come up to the door on their bikes, I just let em know I'm Catholic, they walk away. They tend not to like Catholics.
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:05 am

What relition ISN'T a cult?
I would disagree.
Cult is defined as "A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader. " At least in our context.
While I suppose church would fall under this defintion "A system or community of religious worship and ritual. " , it certainly doesn't fall into the first one.
1. The Catholic Church with 1.1 billion is definitely not life in an uncoventional manner, and those 1.1 billion certainly don't regard it as exteremist or false. or the other churches will hundreds of millions of members. My Church, likely with at least 30 million followers (Orthodox Church) doesn't have anything unconventional or exteremist or false.
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:13 am

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
Anyone else have any experiences with Mormons?

Not this week. We generally get them about once every two or three months banging on the door.

I explain to them that I'm Jewish and that normally works. I tried the  devil satanist devil  schtick once but that just made them even more determined to recruit me.
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:58 am

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 19):
They tend not to like Catholics.

Mormons don't either, which is amusing. They claim that Catholicism is too ritualistisc, but then LDS temples have some bizarre rituals going on inside them (hearsay from "anti-" sources, of course. It's "sacred not secret," so I've never been in a temple).

Quoting Starcruiser (Reply 17):
Pity, as they would have enjoyed the game, I am sure.

They're not allowed to watch TV during their mission. I think they can watch officials religious things produced by the church, but nothing else.
 
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:37 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 7):
ALL religions are cults my friends, think for yourself.

Amen to that brother!!!!
 
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:31 am

Well I have no problems with Mormons as the word seems to have got back to the Local Temple that it is a waste of time bothering me.

As in they mite loose some of there missionary's to temptations if they keep bothering me.

Having a Catholic Priest and a Jewish Rabbi as God fathers if I have a problem with religion I go and SE one of them!

The People who do not get the message as in NO NO NO are Jehovas witness crowd they make Mormons look real nice.
 
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:40 am

Never had a bad experience with them. One of my best friends is Mormon and I've been to church with her several times and have never been pressured. I would consider myself a non-practicing Christian (I believe in Christ but am not a member of any particular religion for a variety of reasons, mostly because I like thinking for myself while still hearing the advice of Christ). This drives some of my hardcore Christian friends crazy but that's their problem.

South Park did an episode about Mormons a year or so ago that pretty much summed up what I feel about the LDS faith: yes, it was founded on VERY questionable principles (I.E. the finding of the golden tablets), and yes, a lot of their beliefs and practices are a little unorthodox. But the fact of the matter is that it has been a good thing for a lot of good people, so why should everyone else denounce their faith?

I'm sorry but I find it horribly hypocritical when one faith denounces another faith. All religions have their quirks, and unfortunately all faiths have some idiots among their ranks.
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:42 am

I'm flying to SLC in a week, I'll bring back accounts of Mormon-spotting.  Wink

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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:06 am

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 20):
considered to be extremist or false

It's all phony to me

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 20):
guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.

The Pope was pretty authoritarian & charismatic wasn't he?

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 20):
The Catholic Church with 1.1 billion is definitely not life in an uncoventional manner

With 5+Billion on the planet, you are in the minority. Unconventional.. humm
breeding like rats with no thought of the impact of the # of people you have created doesn't sound too conventional.

This is another thing that annoys me about some (I want to say all, but I'd be stunned to be right) religions.. they preach breeding as a way of enhancing their #'s over another group. This race to mate, for the soul* purpose of making more members/slaves/church goers/sources of additional income is TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE!!! We are overpopulating the planet (I am guilty of this too X2) and it NEEDS to stop!!

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 21):
I tried the satanist schtick once but that just made them even more determined to recruit me.

you ROCK!!


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Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:33 am

In Denver, there are alot of Mormon people. I agree with others, I usually find them to be very polite and nice people, but I have fundamental differences with them religiously. Mormons stop by our house about once a year. My parents always read something out of the bible to them, as we are protestant christians, and don't believe in their theologies. One time, my dad politely declined their offer for lieterature and later looked down the street and saw one of them. He looked around, and took a Mormon card and threw it like a frisbee into the side of someones yard. My dad went down the street and picked up the card. He called the number and told the man on the line "maybe you had better send your missionaries around to pick up trash rather than proselytizing our neighborhood." That gave me a good laugh.

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Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:47 pm

"The only religion that badgers me is Jahova's Witness. They come up to the door on their bikes, I just let em know I'm Catholic, they walk away. They tend not to like Catholics."

My dad really gets going when he sees Mormons or Jehovas Witness (99% of the time its these guys) at his door (Whole family is from Poland including me, a very catholic, conservative country)

Basically he yells at them for about 3 minutes and tells them they will burn in hell and that they should go to a catholic church and honor the pope and pray for their salvation. Upon putting up a no soliciting sign at our door now when we get a Jehovas Witness its really fun. Not only does my dad yell at them for being anti-christ because they are not catholics he warns them hes going to beat the living daylights out of them if they do not get out of his face in 5 seconds and leave our property. Whats more is that when they gave him brochurs he shoved them back into their hands and said, "This isnt even good enough to use as toilet paper" I laughed so hard behind him i almost fell down laughing.

All in all I understand him fully...and i support him. I hate anyone who is feeding me BS and annoying me in my own house.

That being said, myself, my parents etc. have no problem with the Lutherans, Muslims, Hindus, Baptists, Orthodox etc. who live around our neighborhood and the such because they simply do not bother other people and pester everyone about converting to their faith.
 
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Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:30 pm

I was in the Cook Islands a few years ago, and there are a lot of LDS churchs. Two Mormons got on the bus and started talking to me and my partner, but lucky my partner had just come back fro SLC and Provo, so they talked about that and I got to look out the window at the amazing country.
 
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:40 pm

As a Latter Day Saint, the degree of "religious beliefs" vary on the locale of the church.

I still believe in the Trinity, yet I'm a member.

I believe that you still must be SAVED to enter Heaven, which is thru Christ. But I believe that the part about different levels of Heaven is true, as it is in the Bible (can't remember off the top of my head), but I have always felt in my heart that God rewards those who have dedicated their live to His work will receive some level of additional "goodies" in heaven.. such as the class system down here on earth... everyone is still in His glory & in Heaven... some just get a better house *lol*

I treat the Book of Mormon has a holy scripture, but not as The Bible itself...

anyway... we can debate this all night long...
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:57 pm

MD90 Did your Mormon girl friend have nice tits ??? If she did, who gives a crap about the Mormons ??? Maybe you can't see the REAL truth.
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
 
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:27 pm

Quoting SegmentKing (Reply 31):
But I believe that the part about different levels of Heaven is true, as it is in the Bible

As a Catholic I've always thought it was quite the opposite based on:
http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew20.htm
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:22 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 29):
That being said, myself, my parents etc. have no problem with the Lutherans, Muslims, Hindus, Baptists, Orthodox etc. who live around our neighborhood and the such because they simply do not bother other people and pester everyone about converting to their faith.

I don't know what kind of Baptists you live around but the ones in Oklahoma like to run your life indirectly by influincing the lawmakers. For example In Oklahoma...it is illegal to sell alcohol cold if it contains more than 3.2% by volume of alcohol... In Oklahoma.... it is illegal to sell or view pornography tha shows penatration... And for my favorite... in Oklahoma it illegal to get a tattoo, only on of two states in the country that has this kind of law, the other being Delaware.
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 1:05 pm

As my name might suggest I have a bit of experience with mormons, in fact I am one (in the most technical sense of the word). I grew up in a half-mormon family and went through all the mormon stuff but never really went along with it, I just don't buy into the philosophy of Christianity/religion at all to tell the truth, and the mormons' idea that Jews turn into American Indians is just from the frickin' (to use a mormon word) moon. It all depends on the mormons that you talk to.

Understand that it is the missionaries' job to convert you and that most male mormons are missionaries from 19 to 21 years of age, and the rest may try but aren't as ambitious, it all depends on who it is. Many mormons develop friendships for the purpose of extending religion and then drop the friendship once it is clear that there is little chance of a conversion, others are completely the opposite. I am currently being hounded by my "home-teachers" to "activate my membership" as if the church is a gym, and I'm trying to remain congenial, but it's hard considering our goals and desires are in direct conflict, considering I made my break with the church known over a year ago. But for those who are non-mormon, all you have to say is that you're not interested.

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
Mormons believe in three Glories. They're the celestial (like the sun), terrestial (like the moon), and telestial (like the stars). They do not believe in Hell. They believe in various levels of salvation based upon good works, which is not Biblical.

wrong. They do believe in hell, there's a fourth place outside of the three kingdoms reserved for a.) 2/3 of spirits that favored satan and decided not to come to earth, b.) people who joined the church and left (they're very vague on this, I've heard it's only for te endowed, not that I care), c.) those who have a knowledge of Christ and deny him. Even murderers get a higher state (telestial) than some of my very respectable friends, which I find sad.

Are mormons Christian? Well, that's impossible to say, because there is no clear-cut definition of Christianity. If the definition is a belief in Christ, they are, if you want to say Christians have to accept the trinity they're not.

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 2):
By the way, don't give them anything with caffeine in it. And tea is still bad for you, even if it's decaffeinated, because it's got tannic acid in it

Also wrong. Caffeine is fairly kosher now, although it hasn't always been that way. The mormon church has financial interests in coke, actually. What is forbidden is drugs, alcohol, tobacco, and hot-drinks (interpreted as all Tea except herbal and Coffee, even decaf). The hot-drinks comes from times when tea and coffee cost so much that it hindered members' ability to pay tithes.

Quoting SegmentKing (Reply 31):
As a Latter Day Saint, the degree of "religious beliefs" vary on the locale of the church.

The beliefs and systems are actually VERY standardized within the church, the attitudes however, are not. Utah mormons who are surrounded by nothing other than mormons have a very different attitude than mormons in other parts of the world.

Okay, there's my rant.
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:04 pm

SegmentKing, your ward sounds unusual. I was surprised to hear my friend tell me that in any Mormon ward on any Sunday, all over the world, you would hear the same lesson, published in Salt Lake City. She said that was to prevent problems in interpretation, which you have when you have independent pastors. Meanwhile, not treating the Book of Mormon as "more correct" than the Bible and acknowledging the concept of being saved is Baptist terminology, actually.

Quoting SLC1 (Reply 35):
wrong. They do believe in hell, there's a fourth place outside of the three kingdoms reserved for a.) 2/3 of spirits that favored satan and decided not to come to earth, b.) people who joined the church and left (they're very vague on this, I've heard it's only for te endowed, not that I care), c.) those who have a knowledge of Christ and deny him. Even murderers get a higher state (telestial) than some of my very respectable friends, which I find sad.

Well, at our second meeting, the missionaries made it sound as though there was no hell. Maybe that's "further revelation" reserved for a later lesson.

Quoting SLC1 (Reply 35):
if you want to say Christians have to accept the trinity they're not.

That's not the problem, exactly. The problem is that Christianity is monotheistic: there is only one God, even though He has three forms. Mormonism is polytheistic, which is explicity not Christian. They seem to take a few verses out of context and ignore the majority of the Bible in stating that there are multiple gods, united in one purpose.

Quoting SLC1 (Reply 35):
The hot-drinks comes from times when tea and coffee cost so much that it hindered members' ability to pay tithes.

That actually makes a lot of sense, in my opinion. Coke with its high fructose corn syrup is probably far worse for you than coffee is, anyway.

Thanks for the contributions, SLC1 and SegmentKing.
 
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:11 pm

I've only had GOOD experiences with Mormons. Talked religion and belief systems with some of them for several nights.
After I told them I was interested in their religion but had no intention of joining (which I did almost immediately) they didn't push.
Excellent and intelligent conversation.

They want to be respected which I do, and will respect others who leave them their values and virtues (which many people don't, including many who post here).

In fact they seem to be about the most tollerant of all the major religions towards people who don't share their beliefs...

IF I were to wish to join a religion, my experience talking to those people would make me seriously look at the CLDS.

"They seem to take a few verses out of context and ignore the majority of the Bible in stating that there are multiple gods, united in one purpose.
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Wrong. They acknowledge one god. Where they differ is in the prophets, not in the divine beings.
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:39 pm

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 37):
Wrong. They acknowledge one god.

Actually, no. They believe that not only God, Christ, and Holy Ghost each separate gods, but that the God, or Elohim, was once a man who had his own God in his own world. Mormons also believe that they will become Gods in the afterlife. To call mormonism monotheistic would be incorrect, not that this is a judgment upon them.

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 37):
IF I were to wish to join a religion, my experience talking to those people would make me seriously look at the CLDS.

You shouldn't join a church just because of good experiences with members or their subscription to a certain lifestyle, you should also believe in the doctrine and understand the underlying system. I have had enormously wonderful experiences with those of the Jewish faith, but I would never consider conversion.
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:36 pm

I find it intriguing as well and have been approached by them many times - even here in NY! Drop me a line and I can share with you my experiences/feedback.

However, I found the book "Mormon America" especially useful, as well as http://www.exmormon.org.
 
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:47 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 36):

Well, at our second meeting, the missionaries made it sound as though there was no hell. Maybe that's "further revelation" reserved for a later lesson.

I guess I should correct this, it's not really hell so much as descent nothingness faced with endless self-torture. I forgot to say what mormons call it: "Outer Darkness" which is inhabited by the "Sons of Perdition"
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Fri Apr 22, 2005 12:04 am

Good to see your posts again SLC1.
 
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:05 am

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 37):
After I told them I was interested in their religion but had no intention of joining (which I did almost immediately) they didn't push.

They're trained to act like that, to maximize their conversion rate.

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 37):
In fact they seem to be about the most tollerant of all the major religions towards people who don't share their beliefs...

You've never heard one expound about the Catholic Church, have you?

Quoting SLC1 (Reply 38):
You shouldn't join a church just because of good experiences with members or their subscription to a certain lifestyle, you should also believe in the doctrine and understand the underlying system.

I agree completely. I cannot accept such serious doctrinal error. But I have some wonderful friends who are Mormons, and we get along famously. I'm going to Crystal's baptism this Saturday at the West Point, MS ward. She asked me to be there, even though I'll almost assuredly be the only Baptist there.
 
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RE: Have You Ever Been Proselytized By Mormons?

Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:03 am

Quoting PA110 (Reply 12):
The only thing worse than a visit by Mormons is a visit by Jehovah's Witnesses. They are both almost equally tenacious. However, I have a sure fire way of getting rid of both of them instantly. The moment they make their pitch, I tell them to wait one moment while I fetch my boyfriend. We'd both like to hear what they have to say. At this point, they politely say their goodbyes and leave voluntarily. Works every time.

As a Jehovah's Witness, I might be freaked out a bit, but if you say you will listen, I'm going to stick to it. Just as effective is saying you aren't interested and closing the door. But when the End comes and we are right, don't say we didn't warn you!  pray   smirk 

If it makes you feel and better, I've been called on by Mormons. But it is in the Bible. "19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And, look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”" Matthew 28:19,20
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