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The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:27 am

I went out today and test drove the new redesigned Jetta. I was not really impressed. VW dropped the V6 inplace of an inline 5 with only a puny 168 HP. Also as of now a manual transmission is not available. At around 24grand, I would rather buy a 2 year old BMW 3 series.
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:52 am

No stick on a Jetta? Bah!
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:57 am

Quoting Aa777flyer (Thread starter):
Also as of now a manual transmission is not available

Apparently REAL drivers are not wanted.

Head some stat a few years ago – like only 25% of Americans know how to drive a manual shift transmission -
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:37 am

Dear Mr. Pischetsrieder,

I am writing to you today to inform you of how dissatisfied I am at the state of your company. As a long-term Volkswagen owner, I am dismayed to see the quality of your new cars has diminshed to such a point that you should be embarassed to put the Volkswagen badge on any of them.

Particularly, your new Jetta disappoints me the most. The list of criticisms is long, so here are the main issues I have with this car:

1) Your company removed both the 1.8T engine and the fantastic VR6 and replaced them with, from what I can tell, a variant of the tired old 2.0L inline-4 engine. As such, your company's new car is now considerably underpowered by any respect. When you consider that the Jetta competes with the Mazda6 and the Honda Accord, both of which are available with superb V6 offerings, this puts your company's new car at a considerable competitive disadvantage.

2) In the process of redesigning the car, even though your company made it larger in every dimension, it seems as though it has a smaller interior. I was shocked to see that now I am not only unable to sit comfortably in the rear seats, I am also uncomfortably cramped in the front seat as well.

3) Despite what the styling department has told you, the new exterior is not an improvement.

Combine this with an indifferent and frequently hostile attitude at your dealers here in Canada, especially when it comes to service and parts, the new Jetta has become one automobile that I do not desire in any circumstances.

Signed,

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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:43 am

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 2):
Apparently REAL drivers are not wanted.

good call.... They're looking for go cart pushers... The New jetta looks just like a corolla.... Looks week compared to the past model...

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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:02 am

They're trying to attract a wider audience and have improved the car in several ways, but somehow it doesn't have its coolest factor anymore.

I would personally NOT buy it...and I've owned 3 VWs before and currently drive a 2000 Jetta GLS VR6 (and love it).

Unless they shoehorn the V6 and add a manual box (and maybe work on some of the styling) i'm not a buyer.
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:28 am

I saw the new Jetta at an auto show two weeks ago. I have to say that while it looks good, it is way overpriced and I think overhyped.

That being said, I just don't feel it is a Jetta anymore, but a completely new VW model that is just roughly the same size as the Jetta.

That can be said anytime a car manufacturer introduces a completely new design for a car model though...

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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:32 am

I would be shocked if there wasn't a manual transmission version a few months down the pipe. The new cars always take longer to reach the US, and they want to sell what is most popular first. And in the US, that means automatics.

That said, I haven't seen the car, so I'll reserve judgement on it until I do. But I do generally like VWs. My parents both drive Passats, and they are wonderful cars.

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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:44 am

I just saw one at Target (appropriate?). It's UGLY! I do not like the front grille at all and it really does look like a Corolla. The proportions are not pleasing to the eye. I was really disappointed.
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:00 pm

A manual will be offered soon. Early production examples came with a automatic transmission only.
 
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:13 pm

I've found car manufactuers pretty stupid when it comes to makeing cars that make sense. I was a loyal Jeep Owner for 10+ Years (had 3 different models) and now they got their new liberty and Jeep and I hate them for one I can't get certain features I want on the V6 model (like Leather seats!), its like we have to now pay extra for a car that truly suites your needs (I went with Cadillac in the end)
 
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:30 pm

You are all talking about the VW BORA, or am I wrong... confused 

I know that VW doesn't use the Name in the USA/Canada because of the Hurricanes....etc...
 
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:18 pm

Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 11):
You are all talking about the VW BORA, or am I wrong...

The previous generation was indeed called "Bora" in Europe but it apperas that they will resume using the name "Jetta" for the current generation.

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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:44 pm

Ok, let's clear up a few things here.

The new Jetta has lost its German looks for the most part, but in GLI form it looks pretty good I must say. The 2.5 inline 5 has 150 hp and replaces the 2.0 as the base engine, which was anemic with only 115 hp. This is a vast improvement, and this engine has NOT replaced the VR6 in the lineup. The VR6 was simply too expensive to produce, and it is not a viable business decision, and as much as I love the engine, VW must make smarter business decisions of they want to improve their erroding bottom line.

The interior is definitely larger and more comfortable now. The rear seats especially have noticeably more room in both leg, foot, and shoulder room. The old car was not comfortable for average sized adults on trips of over an hour, but the new one can handle long drives with much more ease.

The new 2.0 turbo charged engine is NOT an old 2.0 with a turbo charger attached to it. This new 2.0T has received extremely positive reviews, so I would not lament the departure of the 1.8T until you give it a try. I definitely can't wait to give a 2.0T a try.

Manual transmissions WILL be available, and as far as I know, they have started arriving in American dealerships already, so it was just the initial batch of cars that came with an automatic only. The 2.0T and TDI engines will also have the highly praised DSG tranny available too, which from all accounts I've read is the best manu-matic tranny on the market today, even better than Ferrari's or BMW's by a good margin.

My personal thoughts on the new Jetta are mixed. I'd still consider one, in fairly basic form, as it comes very well equipped as standard with the type of features I look for in a car. Throw in some alloy wheels, sunroof, and perhaps some aftermarket company will do something to help out the front end, and you have a pretty nice car for the money.

The previous model was far more distinctive, and VW is unfortunately going after an older crowd, and making the Jetta appeal to a wider audience. Shame on them! Other manufacturers have been fighting for the target market VW is great at attracting, and VW throws it away!

Finally, this past weekend I rented a brand new Golf in Manchester, and drove it up to Scotland and back. Despite having a gutless 1.4 with 75hp, this car was a lot of fun to drive, and better in every way compared to the previous generation. I think VW enthusiasts owe it to themselves to give sporty versions of this car a try, and they just might warm up to it a bit more than initially.
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:50 pm

Quoting Captaingomes (Reply 13):
Finally, this past weekend I rented a brand new Golf in Manchester, and drove it up to Scotland and back. Despite having a gutless 1.4 with 75hp, this car was a lot of fun to drive, and better in every way compared to the previous generation.

I own such a previous-generation (Mk IV) and I test drove the Mk V before leaving Elbonia.

Higher base price, lower-build quality, lower performance...fun to drive ? if you like hefty doses of understeering, yes.
And what's with that ugly half-black rear bumper ?

I'll keep my MkIV, thank you and I'll be looking at parent company Audi when the replacement time shall (...) come.

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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:04 pm

UTA, the build quality is about the same as before. I agree that it looks more generic, but overall the switchgear seems of flightly higher quality, and the dash about the same. The seats are superior though.

Lower performance, depends on how you look at it? The 2.0T is higher performance than the 1.8T. The 2.5 is higher performance than the previous 2.0. The 2.0 TDI is definitely higher performance than previous TDI's, with the exception of course of the TDI PD 150, but keep in mind, there's a version of the 2.0 TDI coming out with roughly 175 hp from what I hear. So performance is definitely not inferior.

The handling is surely better than before in every way, with less understeer. The ride has also improved. My opinions are based on a weekend with the car and I put hundreds of miles on the car. I have also driven extensively the MkIV cars, and currently own a MkIII Jetta TDI.
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:08 pm

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 14):
I own such a previous-generation (Mk IV)

I thought the Golf was a company car and you just owned a 1989 Colt along with 2 other pieces of  censored ? Well I know for sure you have the colt because here's the proof.

As for this

Quoting Captaingomes (Reply 13):
Despite having a gutless 1.4 with 75hp, this car was a lot of fun to drive

I agree it was fun. Here's our lil Golf approaching it's top speed.  rotfl 



It was going so well until......



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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:19 pm

grrrr trick photography!
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:21 pm

MkIV and MkV models will be sold side by side here in MEX, one is still called Jetta while the "new" one is called Bora.............since the previous generation is still selling so well it appears VW will milk that platform untill the end.
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:39 pm

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 16):
I thought the Golf was a company car and you just owned a 1989 Colt along with 2 other pieces of ?

Nope, only company car i had was this :

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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:55 pm

Is there an all-wheel-drive version of the Golf in Europe (I don't think that there's one in the US)?. I really like the Golf, and I'd like to get one, but the winters in North Dakota are rather bad in terms of traction.

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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:01 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 20):
Is there an all-wheel-drive version of the Golf in Europe (I don't think that there's one in the US)?.

There used to be a Mk IVGolf 4Motion with a choice of engines available in Europe, but I have not heard of a Mk V 4Motion.

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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:03 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 20):
Is there an all-wheel-drive version of the Golf in Europe (I don't think that there's one in the US)?. I really like the Golf,

Hi Mir,

yes, there is a AWD version. It is called 4Motion.
 
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:13 pm

I thik the new Jetta looks ok. Its a vast improvement on the original straight line one.

I just remember all the farmers in Ireland had a diesel one.
 
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:17 pm

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 14):
I'll keep my MkIV, thank you and I'll be looking at parent company Audi when the replacement time shall (...) come.

Ah now there speaks a sensible man (says the very satisfied A3 owner  Smile )
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:18 pm

Quoting Wunala (Reply 23):
I just remember all the farmers in Ireland had a diesel one.

That time is long gone  Wink

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RE: The New VW Jetta

Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:22 pm

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 25):
Quoting Wunala (Reply 23):
I just remember all the farmers in Ireland had a diesel one.

That time is long gone

Yeah, it was about 20 yers ago. Are you telling me that there are no farmers left in Ireland?????
 
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:51 am

I would like to see new Jetta wagon with 4 to 5 cyl turbodiesel making around 130 hp and 180 lbs peak torque. With a 5 -6 speed manual, that would serve my needs perfectly. I doubt I will see it though. It is also too bad that the Saab diesels do not seem to be available in the US. I would love to get one of those.
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:53 am

Quoting Wunala (Reply 26):
Are you telling me that there are no farmers left in Ireland?????

There are still a few remaining and those have gone *arggghhhhh* to SUV's

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RE: The New VW Jetta

Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:23 am

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 16):
I agree it was fun. Here's our lil Golf approaching it's top speed

LOL...I've been there with my old '87 Cabriolet (even before I modified it)...I tell you, 170 km/h in that thing was almost frightening.

Even though they seem like nice cars, I still like the older VWs. I'll take my 1992 A2 GTi any day over any new Golf.
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:58 am

I'd agree on the "older is better". The MK I & II Jetta, though boxy, had some charm. The last batch blended into the landscape. I guess that's a good thing if one is speeding. At least the Passat has some character.

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RE: The New VW Jetta

Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:14 am

Looks like a Corolla.

On a related note, I'm considering selling the TT and getting the A3 (just introduced in the U.S.). Test drove the thing the other day, so much more practical with 4 doors and fun to drive, too.


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RE: The New VW Jetta

Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:04 pm

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 30):
The last batch blended into the landscape. I guess that's a good thing if one is speeding.

:D

My MkIV is chipped, has Group N brakes, induction air filter and a dome bar.
But with the stock exterior and gray paint, it blends in with the surroundings...but sometimes fools in Escort XR3's are in for a big surprise when the light turns green  Silly

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RE: The New VW Jetta

Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:14 pm

Yeah, I always likes the distinctive boxy shape of the older Jettas. Unmistakeable in traffic, that's for sure.

We'll have to see what the new wagon looks like (maybe it'll be better). I actually liked the previous Jetta wagon, even though I'd never buy one. I think that the new interior is preferable, especially since I didn't like the previous curvy organic dash (I preferred the Passat's straight lines inside).
 
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:50 pm

Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 31):
On a related note, I'm considering selling the TT and getting the A3 (just introduced in the U.S.). Test drove the thing the other day, so much more practical with 4 doors and fun to drive, too.

Great car to drive and own. I have a 6 six speed manual 2-door, but I've heard the DSG box is absolutely fantastic - the best semi-auto transmission on the market.
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:04 pm

Quoting MrChips (Reply 29):
I'll take my 1992 A2 GTi any day over any new Golf.

You're sure? The new golf gti is way better IMHO. I had the pleasure of making a test drive with it and it's truly an awesome car. Looks great, too!

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RE: The New VW Jetta

Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:10 pm

The new Golf reminds me far too much of an Acura RSX.
 
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Sun Apr 24, 2005 12:56 am

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 2):
Apparently REAL drivers are not wanted.

Oh really. I can't drive stick but I sure can drive an automatic better than anyone of you.

My opinion on the new VW Jetta is that it is alright. I have never been a big fan of VW, the only car I like from them is the Phaeton. Now that is a sweet car.
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:06 am

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 37):
I can't drive stick but I sure can drive an automatic better than anyone of you.

Any grandma can "drive" the automatic...  Sad
 
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RE: The New VW Jetta

Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:21 am

When I saw it at the Los Angeles Auto Show in January I nearly wanted to renounce my German heritage. How could Volkswagon have been so far off with respect to its target demographic (20-39), particularly here in the U.S. This is a vehicle that should have screamed "sports sedan," cornered in the high .8's, reached 0 to 60mph in under 7 seconds and sold for around $25,000 (U.S.). What was produced was a Toyota for Grandma.

Interestingly enough, what VW couldn't achieve in design and engineering is trying to be accomplished through marketing. Here in the U.S., the first commercials appeared showing young adults "growing up" while not forgetting their wild yesterdays. Translation- sorry buddy, you got married and have two sticky kids in the back seat and here is your car, an under powered 150hp sedan to take you and the wife to the supermarket.

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RE: The New VW Jetta

Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:56 am

Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 31):
Looks like a Corolla

The front end doesn't seem much Corolla to me, but that a$$ is straight from Japan.  banghead 

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 37):
I can't drive stick but I sure can drive an automatic better than anyone of you.

Yes. I'm sure you can shift into "D" and push the right pedal down better than any of us. Until you've driven with each and every one of us, maybe you'd better remember you aren't any better than the rest of us. k?

PS - A real man drives a manual.  angel 
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