texdravid
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DirecTV Vs. Dish

Fri Apr 22, 2005 7:27 am

Which do you prefer?

I have both actually, because only DirecTV has the NFL package, and only Dish has the Indian subcontinent channels.

My only complaint is that DirecTV only has basically about 10 channels with HD. Does Dish have more? When will one or both have many more HD channels?
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Fri Apr 22, 2005 7:45 am

Hey, didn't I see you on another forum?!?

I have DirecTV and they're suppose to expand their HD programming with the new satellites that launched recently...
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:28 pm

I have only had DirecTV, but I have been very happy with them. The packages offered are a good deal, and they are much cheaper then cable. I have also heard bad things about Dish Network.
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:08 pm

Well, my family has had Dish Network for free (all of it except PPV and the sports packages) for a while thanks to a deal between the company he worked for and a distributor. Our family never had a problem with Dish, which is strange considering we got it free even after my old man left his company.

I'm planning on purchasing an HDTV set for my room pretty soon and I'm gonna go with Dish. First of all, you don't have to purchase HDTV equipment with Dish Network, at DirecTV you have to purchase a $400 reciever if you want HDTV reception. You lease your HDTV equipment (for nothing) from Dish as long as you keep renewing your contract. Dish has a better 120-channel lineup than DirecTV.

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texdravid
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:34 pm

But Dish does not have the NFL package. The NFL Sunday ticket is an exclusive to DirecTV. This is a huge importance for some like me who live in one city but are fans of a faraway team that would never get televised.

The only thing exclusive about the Dish network is that you can only watch Indian subcontinent programming on Dish.

Thus, I have both. Neither is perfect. Far, far from it.
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Fri Apr 22, 2005 11:54 pm

I only have DirecTv, there good a little pricy and I had to sign up for a year, but I only use it for MLB Extra Innings!
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:17 am

Given DirecTV's plans and Dish's non-plan... DirecTV.

DirecTV plans all locals and 150+ nationwide HD feeds by 2007 or, Dish's we're not sure what we're going to do. Also DirecTV will have a Home Media Center by year end. It's a networked HD tuner that records 4 programs at one time an allows connection to 7 rooms. The system can be stacked to allow 8 recordings at one time and viewing of the recorded programs in 14 rooms. It records HD and plays HD in the remote locations. You can pause a program in one room and pick it up in another. The system has the same functions as TiVo and add interactivity when watching live programs.

By 2007, DirecTV will deliver 150 nation feeds, plus your locals in HD. Plus everything Dish has to offer because bandwidth used for locals in SD will be freed up when HD comes on line. Not even local cable will be able to compete with DirecTV when the dust settles.

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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:17 am

On a technical POW I prefer satellite, easier to install, many more channels. When it's very, very cloudy sometimes I lose the signal, but that's rare.
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:00 am

Correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't DirecTV offer the NFL package in HD?
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:06 am

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 8):
Correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't DirecTV offer the NFL package in HD?

Yup, and only DirecTV. Give 'em two years and it'll be HD sports heaven as the only provider with plans and equipment ready to offer every sport in HD.

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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:37 am

Will local channels be HD even in small podunk towns like mine?!!

Right now, I have to order regular basic cable for my local channels because I live in a small town and DirecTV doesn't have local channels for my market.
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:56 pm

I prefer the Directv system. That is what I have at home. My grandparents have dish network. I think that the directv is a lot better system. Also we could get a lot more and better channels with directv than with dish. We also got our local channels which is really nice. Our local channels are also still the same number as they would be if we were using an antennae. That makes them a lot easier to remember.
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:39 am

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 3):
I'm planning on purchasing an HDTV set for my room pretty soon and I'm gonna go with Dish. First of all, you don't have to purchase HDTV equipment with Dish Network, at DirecTV you have to purchase a $400 reciever if you want HDTV reception. You lease your HDTV equipment (for nothing) from Dish as long as you keep renewing your contract. Dish has a better 120-channel lineup than DirecTV.

Hands down, Dish Network!

Ahh.. not so fast. Sure, you can get a "free" HD box from Dish, however, their LOCAL HD programming doesn't come from the "bird." How it works is that you have to connect an old time antenna to your satellite receiver in addition to the round antenna to pick up the local HD's over the air. This brings up a lot of problems... if you live farther than 10 miles from the source, you generally have to put up an outside antenna, and that gets you into zoning/neighborhood problems, and even then sometimes you can't get a good enough signal to get the programming. I don't have Dish, but I do have a TV with a built in HD tuner, and I live 23 miles from Downtown Nashville and I had to install an 8' antenna in my attic just to receive the locals. I don't get a few because of pointing reasons, if I move the antenna I can get some, but not others.. After some fine tuning, I get most but lack a few of the independents...
SO.. that being said, right now, Direct works the same way, but is in the process of launching new satellites to handle all of their local content thru the birds, so there won't be any need to have an external antenna for over the air local HD programming. Also, these birds will also allow even more local programming to those markets that don't currently get them.

Also, in my opinion, the Direct Menus are much better and faster. Dish??? It's ok, but with satellite provided local HD, better menus, and the NFL package, I have to disagree with you, its DIRECT, hands down.

The problem I have with BOTH of them is that their DVR's currently don't record HD in HD. And on top of that, if you have HD Dish you can't have the Dish DVR. That seems like a waste...
Comcast's Cable boxes do record HD in HD... and thats a big thing for me.. thus, that's why I have cable. What's the point of having an HDTV and a DVR when you have to record everything in analog????
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:48 am

Just recently switched from Dish to DirecTV because Dish was constantly getting interrupted for some reason. I mean, it got really bad and very frustrating. I know it happens when there is bad weather but it was happening even when the weather was perfect. I will admit that it is taking some time to get used to DirecTV but it works well and so far no complaints. Oh, I will say that the control that comes with the DirecTV is cooler than the dish network control.
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:45 am

I don't have HD but I really like Dish. Their international programming destroys DirecTV and I am really starting to like the new IMF (International Music Feed) Channel. Not only that, Dish has a brodcast agreement with Sirius.
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Sun Apr 24, 2005 7:20 am

Does anyone know if you have Directv that you could get local channels from say New York? I say this because if I my family was to get Directv, I want to make sure that I get channels like the YES NETWORK, MSG, FSN NEW YORK, and other channels in New York since my family misses those kinds of channels.

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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Sun Apr 24, 2005 9:08 am

Quoting Yanksn4 (Reply 15):
Does anyone know if you have Directv that you could get local channels from say New York? I say this because if I my family was to get Directv, I want to make sure that I get channels like the YES NETWORK, MSG, FSN NEW YORK, and other channels in New York since my family misses those kinds of channels.

NO. Both Dish and Direct... you only get locals where you live. If they aren't available, say you live in a city where locals aren't on the birds, you have some choices, say the big 4 (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX) from select cities, such as NY, Atlanta, Chicago, etc, matching your time zone. But select channels such as FSN New York, not a chance...
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Sun Apr 24, 2005 11:47 am

I think that if you want the locals for a different city that you can do that. I know that in our reciever it has a place for you to type in a zip codes. So I think that even if you lived elsewhere that you could still get the locals for other areas.
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Sun Apr 24, 2005 12:38 pm

Quoting FlySC (Reply 17):
I think that if you want the locals for a different city that you can do that. I know that in our reciever it has a place for you to type in a zip codes. So I think that even if you lived elsewhere that you could still get the locals for other areas.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. This has NOTHING to do with what locals you get. You're package, or "locals" information, is stored on your card and set by Direct or Dish, based on the billing address, and is irrelevant to the zip code you put into your receiver. Why then do you put your zip code into the receiver??? To tell you what heading you point your dish to on initial installation setup. It does *not* determine what locals you get in no way shape or form. Don't believe me??? Put in NYC's zip and see if anything changes.. shoot, for that matter, put in any zip and see if things change. They won't, except for the setup page telling you where to point your dish.

If you want to learn even more, Direct TV as of a few years ago is doing spot beams, where they actually are only beaming locals to a general location. Besides the big 4, NY, ATL, CHI, LA, the entire nation didn't get the locals beam... for instance, you couldn't receive the Las Vegas beam in Nashville, or you couldn't see Miami in Salt Lake City... the physical stream never reached those locations, so even if you had a receiver with a card programmed for a location far away, it wouldn't "see" the locals. There is a spot beam map floating around the internet somewhere, but the main point is that your locals are determined by Dish or Direct and there is nothing you can do short of illegal programming to change it, and that today, is impossible with Direct.

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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:36 pm

Not having either, I cannot say, all I can say is this, Digital Cable from Adelphia sucks.
 
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:04 pm

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 14):
Their international programming destroys DirecTV and I am really starting to like the new IMF (International Music Feed) Channel.

Not for long.
 
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:49 am

Quoting Yanksn4 (Reply 15):

You can, if you have the sports package. you will get YES and MSG, plus every FSN channel in the country no matter where you live.
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:01 am

Dish sucks. Their technology is ages behind DirecTV and they have no strategy to offer HD locals in any markets.

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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:00 pm

Quoting Yanksn4 (Reply 15):
Does anyone know if you have Directv that you could get local channels from say New York?

Ofcourse you could always lie about your address. You can't plug into the phone line though.
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:36 pm

Quoting FlyVirgin744 (Reply 23):
Ofcourse you could always lie about your address. You can't plug into the phone line though

Ok, then where will you bill go?????? To New York when you live in Cleveland???

Direct and Dish both have it figured out....
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:32 pm

Two things:

1. Stop the paper bill. Pay automatically online.

2. Just know someone in the city you want locals from and use their address.
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:35 pm

Quoting FlyVirgin744 (Reply 25):
2. Just know someone in the city you want locals from and use their address.

So you give up your locals to see another??
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:56 pm

Well you can always get your locals from an antenna or directv might not carry your area.
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:02 pm

I don't know. I still can't wrap my mind around having to buy an HD reciever for DirecTV. I can think of better things to blow $300-$500 on. First of all, I'm not planning on having the dish for the long term at my current location, two years max. Secondly, I don't care about NFL Sunday Ticket, I care about NHL Center Ice (it WILL be back next season!) and I might look into MLB Extra Innings. I might seriously consider DirecTV if they start giving you the box for free, because knowing my luck, I'll buy a reciever and the next week they'll be giving them away with each HD subscription. There goes any chance to sell it off on eBay when I'm done with it.

Also, by the way, I asked my friend who does Dish installations part-time what local channels I'd get considering my bill would be sent to Dallas, but my house is in Grand Forks... The answer: Fargo. Great.  Yeah sure
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Wed Apr 27, 2005 7:44 am

JCS17,

My current hd directv receiver, the hughes HIRD-E8, runs on ebay just over $100 and it works perfectly. You may want to check that out.



And I don't use the Sunday Ticket either, I'd rather go to a bar and have 30 TVs showing all the games at the same time.
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:26 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 16):
Quoting Yanksn4 (Reply 15):
Does anyone know if you have Directv that you could get local channels from say New York? I say this because if I my family was to get Directv, I want to make sure that I get channels like the YES NETWORK, MSG, FSN NEW YORK, and other channels in New York since my family misses those kinds of channels.

NO. Both Dish and Direct... you only get locals where you live. If they aren't available, say you live in a city where locals aren't on the birds, you have some choices, say the big 4 (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX) from select cities, such as NY, Atlanta, Chicago, etc, matching your time zone. But select channels such as FSN New York, not a chance...

Thats not true, I live in New Hampshire, and I get the LA Morning News, just pay extra, and I get YES free.
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:26 pm

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 10):
Will local channels be HD even in small podunk towns like mine?!!

Yes. By 2007, there will be enough feeds for 240 markets. There are only 210. The satellite that went up last night successfully is now testing and can support 80 of them (6 channels per market). Another goes up in May that will support 36 national HD channels like EPSN and HBO and another in June will support 80 more local markets. In late 2006/early 2007 the third spot beam and a new conus bird will go up to support the last 80 markets and an addiitonal 120 national feeds. It's unknown what the current system capacity will be when it changes over to MPEG 4, but the guess is a 6 HD channels per transponder or 24 non HD channels. There are 44 transponders frequencies in use, some are re-used in spot beams. This on top of the new satellites. DirecTV is poised to make cable look absolutely silly.

[Edited 2005-04-27 07:27:33]
 
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:39 pm

I used to get all the Pittsburgh channels, with all of the accompanying local sports, here in PHX until Dish went to the spot beam satellites and that suddenly went away one day. (I had the bill sent to my parents in PIT.) Boy did I feel smart at the time!
Now I shell out the bucks for DirecTv to get the NFL Sunday ticket. But I spend less than at a sports bar, and no cigarette smoke!
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RE: DirecTV Vs. Dish

Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:26 pm

Quoting 4holer (Reply 32):
But I spend less than at a sports bar, and no cigarette smoke!

I'm in a college town so beer flows like water  Smile

And smoking is banned at bars if they serve food (or a certain % of sales) in Florida.
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