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San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:23 pm

Ferrari is feeling "confident." Minardi will take the new Cosworth engine to the back of the grid, Luizzi is in the driver's seat, Renault could start a runaway- if they haven't already, that is.

And all this American cares about is hearing the Star Spangled Banner at the end of the GP2 festivities! GO SPEED!
 
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:49 pm

I doubt Ferrari's gearboxes are feeling as confident as the team itself! Big grin


If Kimi qualifies to a good starting position i believe the podium will look similar after this race to what looked like in Bahrain. Alonso, Trulli and Räikkönen. Schumi out of the game due to mechanical failure of the Ferrari.

That's my prediction.
 
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:04 pm

I'm predicting Ferrari finally is up to pace, but in the middle points.

Fisi, Alonso, Kimi, Schumie, Trulli, Ralf, Webber, Button
 
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:20 pm

A lot shall (...) depend on track temperature this WE.

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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:44 pm

Quoting Nosedive (Thread starter):
Ferrari is feeling "confident." Minardi will take the new Cosworth engine to the back of the grid, Luizzi is in the driver's seat, Renault could start a runaway- if they haven't already, that is.

Also, Fisichella will be running a B-spec engine (lighter and more rev's than Alonso's) and Alex Wurz will be racing for McLaren.

I think the podium will be similar to Bahrain, Kimi and Alonso, not sure about Toyota for this race.

And the GP2 win will go Ernesto Viso...sorry my friend, no Star Spangled Banner in San Marino this weekend!!!
 
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:48 pm

Hope both the Ferraris finish, with at least one on the podium.

Wonder what happened to Webber. Hope he finally gets a podium this time around.
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:59 pm

Odds are against Ferrari this year I'm afraid...

But when he was winning his 5th title, I remember thinking "ok this one last title and I will be satisfied, let him lose everything after that it doesn't matter".

And then I thought the same for his 6th. On his 7th, I was only a spectator. Now this year, well, if this is the end, I say so be it, I guess everything good thing comes to an end!!  Smile

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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:51 pm

Quoting Kay (Reply 6):
I guess everything good thing comes to an end!!

For the benefit of the competition I'd say. Schumacher's talent and Ferrari's (former) technical superiority are impressive, but it's killing the Formula 1 as such.
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:17 pm

I think this season for Ferrari might be a case of when it rains, it pours. However they are such a strong outfit, you can never write them off. Toyota have traditonally struggled with the curbing at Imola and may not be as competitive as in other races. Kimi has a better chance of qualifying well due to the 3rd place at Bahrain which moves him up the order for qualifying. Williams will always loom in the background and if they have sorted out the nervousness in the FW27's rear end maybe more competitive then we think. Renault will be strong as ever and won't be surprised by a strong showing from them. And then there is BAR. The testing since Bahrain seems to indicate massive improvements so keep an eeye on them.

It shall be an interesting weekend.
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:14 am

Have you guys seen pictures of the new Red Bull Racing hospitality 'motorhome' yet? It's incredible! There's a story with pictures at the F1 website -- check it out!

Anyway, I'm kinda disappointed that Klien is relegated to Friday driver status after his good performance so far this season, but I guess it's fair to give Liuzzi a shot at the race drive. I just hope that Coulthard can go 4 for 4 on points this season, though the Friday practice times don't look so promising.
 
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:38 am

Awww finally another race. For once I am going to have to give up faith in Schumi for this race. I think he needs to get used to his new car. He has no real driving experience with the car. I think it will take Ferrari one more race to finally come back. My pick is that Alonso finishes in first with Schumi and the rest of the pack in a distant second.
 
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sat Apr 23, 2005 1:08 pm

My predictions go thusly and I hope are not too biased, given that I support the one and only almighty Renault (before you start, I've supported them since Benetton).

I fully expect Renault to take at least another podium. I hope that Fisi gets more points than Fernando so we can have a nice fight for the title, although Fernando does seem to have the better pace at the moment.

The Ferrari (and to be honest, I will tell the truth, I HOPE) will still not be up to speed. I don't have confidence that even Ferrari can sort out a Gearbox problem of this nature in 3 weeks, and all the other teething problems and instantly create a worldbeating car. Being a new component on a new car, the fault with the gearbox may well be design based and hence harder to fix. It's certainly possible I'll be wrong on this one. Remember however that Imola has a lot of braking from large speeds and hence the significant dose of engine braking the drivers use could put strain on the gearbox, clutch and combustion chamber. This will worsen if it's hot. What's the weather like in Italy?

I think Toyota will again be up high but not as high as before. I expect the McLarens to take a higher space in the next race or two.

Imola is a high speed track which is heavy on brakes. BAR Honda have been having problems with their new braking system, this could put them in a tougher place than the other teams. The no tyre changes rule will also be more of a problem here I think because suspension settings are usually set quite stiff for the abundance of fast corners and this could increase tyre wear.

As for other teams, I hope to see Red Bull doing a bit better, Mark Webber and Juan Pablo Montoya living up to their potential (altho Juan Pablo might not drive...) and Rubens Barrichello finishing in front of Michael Schumacher again.

edit: "Luizzi is in the driver's seat"

do you mean Antonio Liuzzi? wink
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:53 pm

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 9):
Have you guys seen pictures of the new Red Bull Racing hospitality 'motorhome' yet? It's incredible! There's a story with pictures at the F1 website -- check it out!

That is a good looking motorhome, just like the McLaren one.
 
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:58 pm

I gotta go with Alonso ,Pole and winner..again. I hope his engine lasts . Ferrari look good for some points finally. Should be a good race !
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 8:54 pm

Kimi, Kimi, Kimi! Big grin  checkeredflag 


Way to go, very impressive driving indeed from Kimi in the first qualifying session, hopefully he'll perform as good in Q2 and in the very race itself tomorrow too.



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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:00 pm

Quali 1 just finished, what a provisional grid! 7 different teams in the top 7 times! Also the top 10 are all within 1 second!

Kimi 1:19.886
Alonso +.003
Schumy +.374
Webber +556
Button +.578
Trulli +.606
Massa +.707
Wurz +.746

I'm going for Kimi for pole and the victory, and MS will make a comeback to the pointy end for a second, with Alonso in third.

Edit: Ah Mika you beat me to it! Were you watching live timing?

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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:21 pm

VH,

I was watching the Live broadcast on Swedish television and rushed to the computer after Alonso finished  Smile
 
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:34 pm

Bah humbug. As usual we're deprived of qualifying, Ch. 10 instead decide to thrill us with such rubbish as Poker World Tour and Cops while at the same time claiming there's no way they can fit quali into their "quality programming"  Sad
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:14 pm

Now that top end of F1 is quite competitive and no longer being dominated by one team the FIA should go back to the old format of qualifying (12 laps per session, no race fuel on board and a set of fresh tires). For the last few seasons qualifying has been a joke, having race fuel on board only takes away from great performances in qualifying as you're always left guessing if a good lap time was primarily due to a light fuel load.
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:33 pm

Quoting VH-KCT* (Reply 17):
Bah humbug. As usual we're deprived of qualifying, Ch. 10 instead decide to thrill us with such rubbish as Poker World Tour and Cops while at the same time claiming there's no way they can fit quali into their "quality programming

I wish Fox Sports got the broadcast deal as well as Ten. Their deal was supposed to show live qualifying as well.
 
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:50 pm

Quoting Pipo777 (Reply 4):
Also, Fisichella will be running a B-spec engine (lighter and more rev's than Alonso's) and Alex Wurz will be racing for McLaren.

I think the podium will be similar to Bahrain, Kimi and Alonso, not sure about Toyota for this race.

And the GP2 win will go Ernesto Viso...sorry my friend, no Star Spangled Banner in San Marino this weekend!!!

Here we go... F1 master at work here!

My prediction... Webber by 15 laps!
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:56 pm

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 20):
My prediction... Webber by 15 laps!

You mean his race will finish after 15 laps???
 
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:59 pm

Quoting Pipo777 (Reply 21):
You mean his race will finish after 15 laps???

No, I don't.
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:02 pm

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 20):
My prediction... Webber by 15 laps!

More like out by 15 laps.

We're still waiting for outspoken (yet unaccomplished) Webber to improve on his 5th place in the Minardi at the 2002 Australian GP.
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:03 pm

Go Kimmi!!!! Go Mclaren


Go Albers!!!! go Minardi!!!
 
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:05 pm

Quoting Yukimizake (Reply 23):
We're still waiting for outspoken (yet unaccomplished) Webber to improve on his 5th place in the Minardi at the 2002 Australian GP.

Is he the only driver in F1 that talks alot of crap? They all do, difference being that he actually finishes races unlike some of the others. It's all hot air. Get used to it.
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:27 pm

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 25):
Is he the only driver in F1 that talks alot of crap?

No, the difference being other outspoken drivers have accomplished something in F1.

The amount of hot air coming out of Webber you would think he's won a championship, or a race, or maybe even made it to the podium a few times.

However, his results speak for themselves.

Until he actually achieves something in F1 he should just keep his loud mouthed Aussie gob shut.
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sun Apr 24, 2005 6:03 am

Well, in a side note, the race is being televised via tape delay on CBS at 13:00 EDT Sunday. Until now, for years the F1 races were only on the "Speed Channel" via satellite or cable. Did CBS make a deal with Ecclestone?
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sun Apr 24, 2005 6:45 am

CBS gets to cover 4 races this year, with the rest being on Speed Channel. In fact, Speed will rebroadcast the CBS 4 as well, with actual good commentary. Check your listings!

Side note, qualifying and pactice will remain on Speed all year.
 
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:17 am

Quoting Yukimizake (Reply 26):
No, the difference being other outspoken drivers have accomplished something in F1.

Wheres your logic when you have people like Albers, Monteiro, Liuzzi, Wurz and Massa all talking the same kind of s**t that Webber does. Have they accomplished anything?

The sport (if you could call it that) is a bunch of talk... thats all it is. Comments like "The car was bad," and "The engine didn't perform well," are all we hear from these "drivers".

Quoting Yukimizake (Reply 26):
However, his results speak for themselves.

They do... and thats why he is saying he wants that to change. You make ambition out to be the devil.
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sun Apr 24, 2005 12:07 pm

Looking for Fernando to pip Kimi for pole in second quali! 4th pole in a row for Renault is exceedingly possible!

Quoting Yukimizake (Reply 18):
Now that top end of F1 is quite competitive and no longer being dominated by one team the FIA should go back to the old format of qualifying (12 laps per session, no race fuel on board and a set of fresh tires). For the last few seasons qualifying has been a joke, having race fuel on board only takes away from great performances in qualifying as you're always left guessing if a good lap time was primarily due to a light fuel load.

I do agree in some ways and not in others. Having to have fuel on board for second quali does make it harder to see which drivers are truly on form, but remember that the last 3 races have put previous seasons to shame in terms of overtaking, lack of stupid pit tactics and full-on excitement. This is due to these new regs which to me seem to be only a good thing.
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sun Apr 24, 2005 5:55 pm

Oh yes, Kimi in pole! That was one impressive Q2 session from Kimi, 0,110 after Alonso in first intermediate and over 0,500 ahead when he crossed the finish line!


I really really hope that Kimi takes this race, it does look very promissing indeed.
 
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sun Apr 24, 2005 6:28 pm

It's sure heating up. Can't wait 'till the race (only 2.5 hours from now). There was talk on Live Timing of there being moisture on the track for the early runners, did this appear to be the case on TV?
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sun Apr 24, 2005 6:43 pm

Quoting VH-KCT* (Reply 32):
There was talk on Live Timing of there being moisture on the track for the early runners, did this appear to be the case on TV?

Yes, the track looked damp early on. An advantage for the top drivers from Q1 (if they were able to keep their car on the track!) Looks like Ferrari's revival is delayed for another race.  laughing 
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:34 pm

YES HAHA! AWESOME defense from Fernando holding off Schumacher for 10 laps! F*cking Buuzin'!!!  bouncy 
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:35 pm

How F&%*king stupid is ITV though, they took commercial breaks 3 laps before the end for 2 laps! Utter stupidity!!
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sun Apr 24, 2005 11:10 pm

AMAZING RACE! I was glued to the TV literally with my hearth on my mouth!  eyepopping 

Alonso did pretty good holding up Michael and not screwing up. But at the end it just goes to show you why Michael has won 7 championships! no matter how much some ppl dislike him, once again he came out and pulled an absolute stunner!  bigthumbsup  from 13th up to 2nd! hey....

Can't wait for Barcelona!

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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sun Apr 24, 2005 11:19 pm

What a crazy mishap for Kimi, i couldnt believe it. A damn shame, i wonder what went wrong with the damn car?

Oh well, Barcelona looks like a really exciting race indeed, Kimi, Schumacher and Alonso in the named order is my pick.
 
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Sun Apr 24, 2005 11:33 pm

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 29):
Quoting Yukimizake (Reply 26):
However, his results speak for themselves.

They do...

Indeed, as we saw today. From 4th to 10th, Webber is fast in qualifying but he makes a lot of mistakes in the races.


As for today's race, that was amazing. The F2005 is faster than any other car out there, if it were not for MS's mistake in qualifying he would have won with ease. Now with FA's huge lead in the championship it will be interesting to see if MS can catch up. It already looks like it will be one of the better seasons we've had for quite a while.
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:46 am

The best race in years..
..and Bernie sell's the race to CBS who decide to delay the broadcast so Americans can get all their beauty sleep , and TSN's broadcast from the U.K.'s ITV has broken up commentary for the whole race

But we can always watch John-Boy Walton and twenty of his redneck friends go roundy-round a flea-bitten dirt track in Nowhere , U.S.A. on Nascrap..er Speed TV.

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Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:57 am

Wow, what a race! While I'm bitterly disappointed by the performance of Red Bull Racing, the race for the win was incredible, especially since Schumi didn't come out on top hehe!

I was pleasantly surprised by the CBS coverage. It has nothing on Speed's team of course, but they did a decent job, and hopefully they'll improve over the course of their 4 races this season.
 
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Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:18 am

WOW...what an amazing race! HAHAHA....Michael and Ferrari are back!!

WTF is wrong with Webber?!! I thought he was a really good driver, but he is just going backwards. He has a relatively good car, but seems to be making STUPID mistakes and giving away points.

He's proving race after race that he is just an another dumb loud-mouthed bloke. Damn...idiot, I really wanted him to get a podium, but looks like he'll never get one, so I think we can all forget about Webber ever winning a race this season.

GO FERRARI Big grin
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:26 am

Quoting Biggles (Reply 39):
The best race in years..
..and Bernie sell's the race to CBS who decide to delay the broadcast so Americans can get all their beauty sleep , and TSN's broadcast from the U.K.'s ITV has broken up commentary for the whole race
But we can always watch John-Boy Walton and twenty of his redneck friends go roundy-round a flea-bitten dirt track in Nowhere , U.S.A. on Nascrap..er Speed TV.

ROTF Biggles! You're funny!

I just happened to turn on the TV and saw that CBS was showing the race. That was a surprise! But the commentary was awful. Horrifyingly, embarassingly awful.
 
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:35 am

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 40):
I was pleasantly surprised by the CBS coverage. It has nothing on Speed's team of course, but they did a decent job, and hopefully they'll improve over the course of their 4 races this season.

Yeah, Daly had some good insight at times, but the other guy..... Jesus, even Rick Debrul would have been better! If they had something like Paul Page and Daly together, that'd be better. And what was up at taking a break or two in the final laps!?!?! AHHHHH! Hopefully CBS realizes you don't do things like that when MS is knocking on people's doors. And what a run to the finish! Ferrari is back and that'll set up a FA v MS showdown, but I think Ferrari will win constructers with ease. Any word on JPM's return?
 
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Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:08 pm

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 43):
Any word on JPM's return?

Well, he was originally supposed to be back for Imola, so it'd figure he'll be a lock for Barcelona. I do agree with Daly though, it is rather foolish to play tennis while riding your motorcycle!  Wink
 
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:05 pm

I was under the impression that Alonso eased off the gas a little on the last laps in order NOT to overtake the back markers (and risk MS doing what he did on Button). If so pretty risky strategy but a lot of courage  Smile.

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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:49 pm

Quoting Mika (Reply 37):
What a crazy mishap for Kimi, i couldnt believe it. A damn shame, i wonder what went wrong with the damn car

According to McLaren it was a drive shaft. It will probably result in a redesign of the part.
 
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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:18 pm

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 45):
was under the impression that Alonso eased off the gas a little on the last laps

With Schu in full size in his rearview mirrors????????? MWAHAHAHAAAAA, that must be the best joke I've heard in years Big grin Big grin Big grin


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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:24 pm

Quoting Andreas (Reply 47):
With Schu in full size in his rearview mirrors????????? MWAHAHAHAAAAA, that must be the best joke I've heard in years

LOL than the joke is on you as I just read the post-race interview and Fernando confirmed what I had suspected :

Yes, the last ten laps I had the Red Bull and the Williams in front and I was hoping not to catch them because maybe I would lose a little bit of downforce and Michael may be able to overtake me. So in the really slow chicanes and in the slow corners I was braking more than normal, maybe, just to protect my rear tyres and just to keep a gap if possible.


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RE: San Marino GP (aka Italian GP #1)

Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:19 pm

Er...yes...obviously...MUAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know it pays NOT to believe anything drivers say just after the race..or at any given point of time.

Very well...I believe Alonso, as opposed to what he says, does know now pretty well that the championship is far from being easy this year. Ferrari will not give up, anyone who believes this let's-go-for-2006-now-crap will find out the hard way that this is NOT the way Ferrari works!
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