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Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:15 am

I saw this full page ad in the middle of todays USA Today newspaper.



And it got me to thinking. This group, http://www.walmartwatch.com definitely has a point, namely the hypocrisy surrounding Wal Marts "Bring It Home To The USA" campaign. Meanwhile, some 70% of the merchandise sold in Wal Mart IS, indeed, Made In China. I have even remarked that if you took everything that was made in China out of Wal-Mart, the remaining products could fit inside a standard 7-11 store.

Please note that I am neither praising nor condemming Wal-Mart. I am fully aware of the good they have done as far as bringing down prices on just about every kind of consumer product imaginable. You can never not find something that you'd like there. Not to mention that they DO employ as many people as they do who might otherwise turn to Taxpayer aid and/or crime to support themselves. Low wages notwithstanding. And of course, say what you want about them. The fact is that where a Wal-Mart goes up, the shoppers will flock to in hordes. And the vast majority of Americans are too busy or too cynical to give a damn about a products country of origin.

Of course, there is a counterargument: that Wal-Mart is a huge pain-in-the ass to deal with if you are a vendor. Then there's of course this whole Made In China thing, and the argument (which at least, on the surface) would suggest that what we are paying for in terms of selection and price today is going to cost us very dearly at some point in the future as a result of so much outsourcing that Wal-Mart is allegedly causing, soon Wal-Mart themselves will go bust. This will simply be because that so many jobs have been displaced and costs will have gotten so low that no one will even be able TO shop there. Because they have no job and no money.

So have at it. I am only bringing this website and story to your attention. I'm not really taking sides one way or the other because both arguments do have some merit.

So have at it. Meanwhile, this post for me is a hit-and-run.
 
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:20 am

WalMart is outgrowing itself, evidenced by the fact that the stock has levleed off after so many gains. Their prices have gotten so low, as they have kept beating the competition, that their margins are very low. They tried to raise their prices during Chistmas time last year, and their sales dropped.

That and I hate WalMart. They are a colossal pain in the ass...period. They displace land for no good reason, having 3 stores within 10 miles of each other. They own the most empty real-estate in the US. Eventally this will catch up to them, and might already be.
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:21 am

I sure as Hell hope WalMart is near its end. I will go anywhere else before I step foot in WalMart.

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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:25 am

If any of you happen to venture into a Wal Mart at anytime, you will notice, the only things made in America are some of the analgesic and some of the shampoos, gels, etc. Look at the equate brand, much of that is made in America.
 
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:30 am

Wal Mart is making much to money to collapse. If I recall correctly they are the highest grossing retail company in the world right now.
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:40 am

Yes that is indeed true, by a large margin also.

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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:40 am

I don't believe that ANY amount of size or money is a guarantee of protection from collapse. If enough things go wrong, and enough people stop buying from you, then there is little choice but to go under or dramatically downsize.

At one time, EVERYONE thought that Pan Am, TWA, Eastern, Valujet, PEOPLExpress, GM, and even Sears Roebuck were all powerhouses that were all mighty and invincible. All of the airlines are now history. GM is running in circles to try and save itself. And the legendary Sears was bought out by K-Mart of all things. United was once high and mighty and has now been pretty well humbled, now flying with its tail between its legs, so to speak.

So while I'm not saying that the demise of Wal-Mart is inevitable, I'm simply saying that size, a static business plan, and past success are not gurantees of future success.
 
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:03 am

"Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?"

I know I'm doing my part to make it happen. Haven't ever shopped there and never will.
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:09 am

Poppycock...

70%?? Where'd this figure come from... let's walk thru a Wal-Mart, shall we??

Humm.. produce department. China? Zero%
Grocery Department, probably a few Chinese items there, but still under 1%
Deli, Bakery? None there...

Humm.. Health and Beauty Aids and Pharmacy.. not any more than the rest...

Lets walk over to the Garden Center... Whats this? Scotts? Murray? Local Grown Plants??? Not much China here....

Wow.. where to next... Tools?? Stanley? Black and Decker?? Yea, two great Chinese brands there.... Whoa?? GE??? Humm....

Now, lets travel to electronics... HP, RCA, Magnavox... wow... lot's of China there...

Venture where next... Home office!!! Yea, Pentel, Bic, Avery... big China names there...

Wow... this is too easy... Books, Magazines, Candy.. yep, all made in China, NOT!!!

Ok, while I'll give you a lot of their Toys are made in China, they are the same toys being sold at Toys-R-Us.....

What's this big department?? Oh, Automotive.. Let's see, Good Year, Michelin, Fram, STP, Penzoil, Texaco, Mobile, Wow.. don't see these anywhere else.. must be because Wal*Mart only sells items from China.

What's that leave.. Clothes... yes, probably the ONE area where you can find a good bit of China made items... but they do sell others... 70% from China?? I doubt it..

What you complete deer-in-the-headlight people here are missing is the fact that this stupid Wal*Mart watch is nothing more than the Union. Shoot, the president of this idiot group is Andrew Stern, from the Service Employees International Union.

The Unions plan is to Unionize Wal*Mart, the biggest company in the world. If they can't, and so far they haven't because Wal*Mart is actually a decent company to work for, they try to destroy it. This comes straight from the Union Handbook. What makes me so mad is that smart people, including a lot of you here, instead of using your mind and looking at what a Wal*Mart actually carries, you people are shamelessly repeating this dribble without knowing the facts... Yes, I said it.. to the thread starter.. you repeated these lies because you either don't know the truth or you want to spread Union Lies...

Think about it... take 15 minutes and walk thru a Wal*Mart and look at all the USA brands and come to the conclusion, in your mind, after seeing the products, do you really think you are dumb enough to believe such propaganda just so the Union Fat Cats can collection union dues from hundreds of thousands of employees who are not even "supposed" to be able to afford health care????


Do some investigating yourself. Wal*Mart watch is nothing more than a front for the Union.
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:34 am

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 8):
and look at all the USA brands

The brands may be US corporations, but the fact remains that large portions of the products sold (and not just in Wal-Mart) are manufactured in China, or other nations.

Case in point:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 8):
Magnavox... wow... lot's of China there...

I have a Philips DVD/VCR combo and a Philips 27" TV. Want to take a guess where they were made? How about where the owner's manuals where printed? Answer to both is China.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 8):
Wal*Mart watch is nothing more than a front for the Union.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but once in a great while a union will actually have a valid point.

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):
Wal Marts "Bring It Home To The USA" campaign.

In Wal-Mart's defense (  vomit  ), they abandoned that slogan years ago.
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:36 am

I don't think buying from China is necessarily a bad thing, however, what Wal-Mart has done is buy inferior products from China. Wal-Mart is simply killing itself through it's absolute lowest bid negotiation tactics. If you know someone who has had to sell to Wal-Mart in Bentonville, they'll tell you it's perhaps one of the most painful negotiations they've ever been through. Wal-Mart continually shuns companies that make a superior product with a slightly higher unit price in order to have sub-par items at bargain basement prices. Basically, WalMart has turned itself into a giant Big Lots. That is where someone like Target comes into play. Although Target tends to be a bit more expensive than Walmart, the products are of substantially higher quality. Really, Wal-Mart is on the downslope of it's existance if it does not alter the way its stores are run and it's buying practices. Stores like Target are the future.

And, by the way, Walmart should have a right to not allow unions within its stores.
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:44 am

Everything has a cyclical nature. Wal-mart will fade eventually and some other scum sucking megacorp will take it's place..
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:46 am

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 10):
Wal-Mart continually shuns companies that make a superior product with a slightly higher unit price in order to have sub-par items at bargain basement prices.

That's the "Every Day Low Prices" in action. To add to what you posted, every year or so, Wal-Mart goes to its current suppliers and "tries" to negotiate lower prices on the products already in the stores. The supplier has two choices: lower the price they charge Wal-Mart, or never be able to sell any product in Wal-Mart stores ever again. Many suppliers can't afford to have "the gods in Bentonville" angry with them.
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:54 am

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 8):
Magnavox... wow... lot's of China there...

well you're kind of right. My Magnavox VCR was made in Malaysia.  Smile

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 10):
And, by the way, Walmart should have a right to not allow unions within its stores.

Please say what you actauly mean
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:00 am

Wal-Mart is great, and I do shop there for certain things, like paper towels, groceries, toiletries, etc. Not much else, aside for home office supplies. But, I ABSOLUTELY HATE going there. I've seen some of the most obese, greasy, gross people ever at that place. I was looking at woman in there the other day, and I kept thinking to myself, how the hell does your hair get that oily?!

Anyway, it serves its purpose, and hell, I shop there. It's pretty much a love/hate relationship.

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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:05 am

We have a Wal-Mart Super Store near by. We love it because it has a large grocery store. Since it opened we have only been to CUB Foods (Super Valu) twice. Why Do I shop Wal-Mart? Because I have a large family, 7 people with 5 kids. I need to save money.

Lets look at a 1 ½ pound loaf of bread store brand…..Cub $1.15
Wal-Mart $.87
Gallon of 1% milk store brand Cub Twin pack $4.99
Wal-Mart $ 2.82 single

I could go on and on but I shop were I can save, even If I can go to Sam’s Club too.

I used to go to Target, but they are too Yuppie.
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:06 am

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 9):
I have a Philips DVD/VCR combo and a Philips 27" TV. Want to take a guess where they were made? How about where the owner's manuals where printed? Answer to both is China.

Ok, I'll give you that.. But PLEASE, explain how that differs from Circuit City, or Best Buy, or Target, from selling the exact same TV and not getting "dinged" for it. Why is it OK for these companies to sell the same items but not Wal*Mart? I'm waiting for the explanation.
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:06 am

Also Sears bought K-Mart.
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:26 am

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 10):
I don't think buying from China is necessarily a bad thing, however, what Wal-Mart has done is buy inferior products from China. Wal-Mart is simply killing itself through it's absolute lowest bid negotiation tactics.

Well, if Wal*Marts products are so "inferior," then the market will either make them sell better quality or they will close. The fact is, "most" of the stuff they sell is the exact same quality. Tires, Electronics, HBA, grocery, etc, etc, are the exact same things at cheaper prices... that's my point. This 70% made in China crap is utter BS....

Oh, and by the way.. let me continue...

AND THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT TO THIS DISCUSSION, SO PLEASE READ

I was in Nashville today working across I-40 at the arrival end of Runway 20R. I found an absolute perfect area for spotting For 20C, 20R (Rachel Drive)!!! But that's not the point. What is important is this:

At about 2:30 today after getting a drink and a break at the local gas station, I figured I'd go watch 20R traffic since I didn't have to be back to Lebanon TN for about 2 hours... What did I see there waiting to take off??? Yes, I finally spotted it (too bad I didn't have my Camera)....

What was it???? The Air China freight 747 lining up to take off. Besides the occasional AF1 747, the Air China freight 747 lands every night about 2-6 AM....so its a big thing for us. I've yet to see it land or take off... today it was taking off, and it was empty of course, and I could swear that thing took off in 3000 ft of runway.

Ok, here is my point... Why was it empty??? Because it brought, from China, a completely loaded (747, let me remind you) plane of computer parts to, let's see, what's that USA computer manufacturer is located on Murfreesboro Road right next to the Airport...

Its a big name.. very popular... slipping.. mind working slowly.. Probably all that food I bought at Wal*Mart that was grown in China.. wait, it's coming to me... yes, here it comes... slowly now........

Can you say....
D.......E........L.........L?

Yes, That's it!!! DELL!!!! THE Computer KING of the USA brings in 6 days a week a completely loaded 747 from China full of parts to build their USA computers...

Hey?? Where is Dellwatch.com???

How come all you libs aren't yelling about that???

6*52=312 per year completely loaded 747's with Parts from China going into just one Dell Plant...

Let's hear it??? Dell buys from China!!! Boycott!!!

Their computers are crap... Inferior.... junk..... stupid greasy fat people buy Dells.. well, of course not... but can you see my point???


Where are all the anti-Wal*Mart-China protesters???? If you ask me probably behind their Dell's making more anti-China-Wal*Mart propaganda


Now.. back that 747 take off!!!!! Wow

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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:40 am

I think it's also important to note that if they didn't outsource production, a simple barbie would cost $60 bucks in America.

It is also of note that Wal-Mart singlehandedly brings down Cost of Living in America to something affordable to the majority of most US citizens.
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:59 am

Marketing, distribution, management and changes in society have changed what were leading companies. I remember every decent sized town having a variety store like Kreskey's, Woolworths, Ben Franklin, Grants. Kresskey's became K-mart and ditched the 5&10's, moved to the outskirts of towns. Most of the other variety stores were replaed by expanded chain drug stores, expaned grocery stores, Family Dollar and the like. I remember regional discount stores with mostly imported goods like here in the New Jersey area including Bradless, Two Guys, EJ Korvetts, Caldor, Grants City, Jamesway, Woolco, Ames and others. All of them are gone as other regional chains came (and went), Walmart killed off their locations in larger towns, they couldn't get through economic downturns, real estate went up or couldn't keep costs down. Sears was originally a catalog retailer, to selling a wide variety of goods by mail delivery to allow people to be able to buy goods at prices often cheaper than their small town stores. They opened up catalog order stores, when then expanded to offer certain products. In the late 1920's-early 1930's, they opened stores in cities all across the country, then into the suburb malls in the 1950's through the 1970's. Now we see the merger of K-mart and Sears, with a new class of stores, Sears Essenials format stores with a merge of Sears and K-mart mercandise (Sears Hardware, Craftsman tools, Kenmore appliances and so on) including products that Wal mart will not or ever carry.
While I don't see Walmart collasping in the future, like the other companies noted above eventually Walmart will have to reach a saturation point, have to withdraw from some markets, or have to evolve into a different form. They could be badly hurt (as would all of us) if there were to be a major conflict with China (ie: trying to take over Taiwan), long term affects from future terror attacks, or as noted above, many suppliers just go out of business as they lose their primary buyer and eliminating many from the workforce. If it is convenient, and I am near a good Walmart, then I have no problem shopping there, assuming they really do have the cheapest true price.
 
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:04 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 16):
explain how that differs from Circuit City, or Best Buy, or Target, from selling the exact same TV and not getting "dinged" for it.

Wal-Mart for a long time made a big deal about "Bring it home to the USA."

Personally, I don't care where a product is made. I just want quality. I have learned that I can't get that at Wal-Mart.
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:09 pm

From what I have heard, an enormous amount of manufacturing has been moved to China, Mexico, and other countries by many US companies. Other companies are having to follow suit just to remain competitive. I have no idea where the end-point of that trend will lead, but I can't think it is healthy.
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:11 pm

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 21):
Personally, I don't care where a product is made. I just want quality. I have learned that I can't get that at Wal-Mart.

So what your saying is that the identical TV bought at Best Buy will last longer than if you bought it at Wal*Mart.

Ok, makes sense to me.
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:13 pm

Well, if Wal*Marts products are so "inferior," then the market will either make them sell better quality or they will close. The fact is, "most" of the stuff they sell is the exact same quality. Tires, Electronics, HBA, grocery, etc, etc, are the exact same things at cheaper prices... that's my point.

Not exactly. Take a long, hard look at the clothing, shoe, bedding, patio furniture departments and you WILL see a substantial increase in quality at Target, this is where products DO differ, and where quality does differ.
 
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:17 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 23):
So what your saying is that the identical TV bought at Best Buy will last longer than if you bought it at Wal*Mart.

That's my hypothesis. I will put it to the test in the very near future.
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:20 pm

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 24):
clothing, shoe, bedding, patio furniture department

And that equates to 70% of Wal*Marts sales??? Really?? 70% of Wal*Marts sales comes from Clothing, shoes, bedding, and patio furniture?? Really??
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:24 pm

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 25):
That's my hypothesis. I will put it to the test in the very near future.

So your testing. Ok. So let me get this straight:

You bought a TV from Best Buy (or the like)and the same model from Wal*Mart. You will turn them on at the same time, change channels, watch DVD's and over time you will see which one lasts longer..

Ok, let me know which one wins...

You really think I believe you have the ablility to "Test" if a Wal*Mart tv will burn out before a competitors???

Give me a break
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:28 pm

So what your saying is that the identical TV bought at Best Buy will last longer than if you bought it at Wal*Mart

Wal Mart usually sells cheaper products that places like Best Buy doesn't sell.
 
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:29 pm

And that equates to 70% of Wal*Marts sales??? Really?? 70% of Wal*Marts sales comes from Clothing, shoes, bedding, and patio furniture?? Really??

Where did I mention that it equated to 70% of Wal-Mart sales?
 
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:31 pm

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 29):
Where did I mention that it equated to 70% of Wal-Mart sales?

It's implied.. the thread is that 70% of Wal*Marts stock is inferior China Made stuff... since these are the only area's anyone brought up to being inferior to the competition, then I assumed that's where the 70% came from....

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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:36 pm

It's implied

No, it's ASSumed.

the thread is that 70% of Wal*Marts stock is inferior China Made stuff

My english skills tell me the thread title reads 'Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?'
 
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:45 pm

Ok, I see that you are saying that all of these things are mad in China, but none of them are Wal-Marts brand. Equate is Wal-Marts brand, not all this other stuff. They deal with American Based companies that supply them goods, and that is that. WIth their brand Equate, especially in the HAB Section a lot of it is made in America or Canada. THE EQUATE BRAND is Wal-Marts brand thus concluding its their products.
 
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:50 pm

Forget your English skills, that's way over your head. Apparently your too dim to even be able to look at pictures...

If you continue reading past the first picture, you'll find out there really is a larger, underlying issue past a trivial statistic.

Wow, a redneck that gets defensive about his Wal-Mart. Now I've seen everything.  sarcastic 
 
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:58 pm

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 34):
Wow, a redneck that gets defensive about his Wal-Mart. Now I've seen everything.

No, just pointing out the fact that stupid people here believe union propaganda.

It's not that I'm defending Wal*Mart... I've used this example in the past.. at Wal*Mart I can buy a gallon of Penzoil outboard boat oil for about $9. Anywhere else about $12+..

Now, call me a redneck, but I'd rather save the $3 and get the same thing than spend more being stupid.. hey, did you figure out the picture yet?
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:39 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 27):
You really think I believe you have the ablility to "Test" if a Wal*Mart tv will burn out before a competitors???

I don't need a large laboratory with guys in white lab coats and clipboards to see which TV or VCR holds up over time.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 27):
Give me a break

Give me a break!

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 27):
Ok, let me know which one wins...

I'll be sure to issue a comprehensive report detailing my findings.  Yeah sure

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 35):
It's not that I'm defending Wal*Mart...

Could've fooled me... boggled 
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:07 pm

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 4):
Wal Mart is making much to money to collapse. If I recall correctly they are the highest grossing retail company in the world right now.

Yeah, and Pan Am was the worlds biggest airline. Look where it got them.

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 10):
what Wal-Mart has done is buy inferior products from China. Wal-Mart is simply killing itself through it's absolute lowest bid negotiation tactics.

Bingo. They have killed some brands just by nickle and diming them to death. Wal Mart tells the suppliers what something should cost and they go figure out how to make it happen. Not a good situation when bean counters start making the tail wag the dog.

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):
Wal-Mart is a huge pain-in-the ass to deal with if you are a vendor.

A company I used to work for hauled a load of shit for Wally World once. Once.. They swore they would never do that again and they have stuck to it. Wal Mart is even worse than Home Depot for recieving deliveries.
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:31 pm

Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 15):
Gallon of 1% milk store brand Cub Twin pack $4.99
Wal-Mart $ 2.82 single

My math tells me that if you buy two gallons of milk at Walmart you will be paying $5.64. So you will save money buying the twin pack at $4.99
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:37 pm

Wow. I kinda think GuitrThree works for Wally-made-in-China-mart, anybody else with me here? Oh, by the way, that's what my family calls that dump.

Ok, let me tell you why I hate Wal-Mart, and why I don't spend money there. Ever.

1) The economics of it on small-town local economies. I live in a town of about 30,000 people. Wal-Mart (despite being voted against by the public) was just allowed to become a super-box. The other grocery stores in town are hurting (Albertson's, Safeway, Town & Country, and Smith's). Thankfully none of them have gone under here yet. Wal-mart itself is a recent addition to our town, and was found by our fairly right-winged city commission (who I'm sure got a nice big check from them to supersize) to not have an impact yet on local businesses. If only it will stay that way.

2) Aren't they in a law-suit right now for sexual discrimination???

3) I just hate the place itself. Redneck central. It's a freaking zoo in there 24 hours a day - unreal. I've never been to a Wal-Mart where I didn't have to wait in line 10 minutes or more. MANY, MANY people I have encountered at Wally-made-in-China-mart are the ones that are so excited that they save 50 cents on something without any heed as to it's quality, origin, or what the saving 50 cents does to the other manufacturers/retailers (done 10 million times is a hell of a lot of money). Also, a majority of (as mentioned before) greasy and smelly folks who don't take care of themselves (i.e. work up a major sweat just walking up and down the aisles). Many people at Wal-mart are also either in a royal hurry (not that I blame them) and will bull people over if you dare get in their way OR are in total lala land and you stand no chance of getting around them as they lolly-gag 4 carts side by side blocking the mail aisle in the store. Enough of stupid people pissing me off. Not to mention the damn loud-speaker. ARGH!!! Long story short, I would MUCH rather pay the extra 50 cents to avoid the rat race of that damn place.

4) Let's talk about energy. Imagine it's -20º outside (about -5º fareinheit - for the americans and tasmanians). Now imagine heating a building the size of two football fields. Now....Imagine two sets of at least 4 doors each at opposite sides of the building and having at least one of those doors open 50% of the time. That's a lot of cold air coming in. What's the logical way to save some energy? Let's put in a second set of doors that will be closed as the outer doors are open. What does Wal-mart do? They put HUGE heaters right above the door (remember it's 4 doors wide) blowing super-hot air down upon customers as they walk in the store. Now where does that heat go? Well, three places. 1) Up. Imagine that. 2) Into the store (which is already heated). and 3) OUTSIDE. Why the hell do you need to heat outside??? The amount of electricity that place wastes is beyond me. For a building that large, why not use some sun roofs or something? It's amazing. Oh, and how about doors you have to pull or push open, Heaven forbid.

Now to address some other topics posted above. If Wal-Mart is such a great place to work, as mentioned above, WHY ARE THEY ALWAYS HIRING????

I have to admit, though, that the Playboy article with the 'Women of Wal-Mart' was kinda sexy.  Smile

And I hate to burst your bubble, GuitrThree, but while a Union somewhere might be trying to rid the world of Wal-Mart (they have my vote), I doubt they are behind this article as you suggest. There is a time and a place, etc, for a Union. I'll be the first to admit that Wal-Mart might not be the place (minus their sexual discrimination lawsuit). Unions have done a lot of good in the world, you can thank having a normal work day and work week, benefits, and retirement to that. No wait, Wal-mart employees don't get those luxuries.

I'm tired. I can't believe I wasted so much of my time ranting about something I hate so much.  Smile I hope you enjoy your saved 50 cents.

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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:39 pm

Quoting MTChemNerd757 (Reply 38):
Wow. I kinda think GuitrThree works for Wally-made-in-China-mart, anybody else with me here? Oh, by the way, that's what my family calls that dump.

Nope, I work for myself and I have NOTHING to do with Wal*Mart

Quoting MTChemNerd757 (Reply 38):
1) The economics of it on small-town local economies. I live in a town of about 30,000 people. Wal-Mart (despite being voted against by the public) was just allowed to become a super-box. The other grocery stores in town are hurting (Albertson's, Safeway, Town & Country, and Smith's).

It's called competition. If they don't want to be hurting, find a way to do it better. Here in Nashville, while they did lose some sales, Kroger is still King, and they did it by loyalty and remodeling almost every one of their stores, while at the same time Publix has moved to town and is doing very well. Competition benefits the consumer, I'm at a loss to why you see a problem with it.

Quoting MTChemNerd757 (Reply 38):
2) Aren't they in a law-suit right now for sexual discrimination???

What company isn't???? Again, union led lawsuits for the most part.

Quoting MTChemNerd757 (Reply 38):
3) I just hate the place itself. Redneck central. It's a freaking zoo in there 24 hours a day - unreal. I've never been to a Wal-Mart where I didn't have to wait in line 10 minutes or more.

Mad because they are busy??? Or just jealous?

Quoting MTChemNerd757 (Reply 38):
4) Let's talk about energy.

Energy? Building big stores uses more energy... Like other large grocery stores don't have heaters, refrigerators, lights, ovens, storage rooms, electronics... again, why is it that WAL*MART gets "dinged" over things but others don't. Seriously, energy?? Lame argument.

Quoting MTChemNerd757 (Reply 38):
And I hate to burst your bubble, GuitrThree, but while a Union somewhere might be trying to rid the world of Wal-Mart (they have my vote), I doubt they are behind this article as you suggest. There is a time and a place, etc, for a Union. I'll be the first to admit that Wal-Mart might not be the place (minus their sexual discrimination lawsuit). Unions have done a lot of good in the world, you can thank having a normal work day and work week, benefits, and retirement to that. No wait, Wal-mart employees don't get those luxuries.

They are always hiring, and so is just about every other retail chain. Walk into any retail establishment today, cleanly dressed talking normal, and I bet you will walk out with a job, TODAY!
Oh, and if you don't like working at Wal*Mart, there isn't a law that says you have to.
You doubt the union is behind this???? Like I said deer-in-the-headlights...

What is Wal*Mart watch.com??? It's run by a "non-profit" organization called Five Stones, go here http://www.unionjobs.com/staff/dc/fivestones.html to see this webpage advertising for jobs for them... Humm, what's that on top? Does it say "Union Jobs Clearinghouse??" Ane then scroll to the bottom and look at all that union crap. Don't for one minute think this has nothing to do with the union.

Why am I defending Wal*Mart, simple, because I hate left wing liberal unions who are destroying good companies and their workers just to get more union dues.

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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:13 am

"2) Aren't they in a law-suit right now for sexual discrimination???"

The main sexual discrimination lawsuit is a joke; they've charged Walmart with simultaneously having a company wide policy of discrimination AND NOT having enough centralized control over stand alone stores that would prevent such discrimination. Also, several of the women at the center of the lawsuit are crap. They weren't promoted, not because they are women, but because they were constantly late and did a terrible job.
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:21 am

"The economics of it on small-town local economies. I live in a town of about 30,000 people. Wal-Mart (despite being voted against by the public) was just allowed to become a super-box. The other grocery stores in town are hurting (Albertson's, Safeway, Town & Country, and Smith's). "

And yet after voting against it and hemming and hawing they aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall flock to Walmart. Why don't they put their money where their mouth is for once? Or is the theory that everyone hates big bad evil Walmart just a myth?


" Enough of stupid people pissing me off"

Wait a second, just a minute ago those same people were shopping at your beloved momnpop stores. It's not like the moment Walmart opened your town got a boatload of rednecks trucked in from Pensacola...
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:54 am

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):
Not to mention that they DO employ as many people as they do who might otherwise turn to Taxpayer aid and/or crime to support themselves.

Very true, but only for the 4-6 months someone is employed with them. Turnover rate is very high at WalMart. It's companies like WalMart that turn some people of from earning money the honest way. My goodness, WalMart doesn't offer full-time until after two years of employment. God forbid they get sick within those two years.

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):
You can never not find something that you'd like there.

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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:13 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 41):
And yet after voting against it and hemming and hawing they aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall flock to Walmart

People seem to think that they can have their cake and eat it too. It will catch up with them
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:20 am

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 21):
Wal-Mart for a long time made a big deal about "Bring it home to the USA."

I would have to say that is one of the reasons I don't like the store too much. In a way to me, it's a false advertising. They aren't actually SAYING that everything in their stores is made in the U.S., but to quote a famous person (at least in this thread):

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 30):
Quoting Flight152 (Reply 29):
Where did I mention that it equated to 70% of Wal-Mart sales?

It's implied..

It's implied allright (the part I mentioned). Ever pay attention to their commercials? A community friendly, we-love-the-U.S.-and-we-buy-U.S.- warm fuzzy feeling is what they try to pass off. I personally don't care if SOME of the stuff I buy is from overseas, be it China, Malaysia, the Phillipines or elsewhere (although I do dislike China). But when half the stuff I might pick up in Wal-Mart (and I'm speaking figuratively here-- no actual figures) is made in China, or made in the U.S. from parts shipped from China, it's a rather huge dissapointment for me.

I feel like I'm !$#%^$ if I do and @@#$^^ if I don't with Wal-Mart. If I shop somewhere else, I might get better quality, but it will cost more, so I can buy less for my dollar. And in this day and age, it's not as easy as just buying somewhere else in order to protest Wal-Mart. You have to make your dollar stretch... For instance my parents are unfortunately rather poor, so they have to shop quite often at Wal-Mart. They like buying foreign made stuff about as much as I do, if not less, but they can't afford to go anywhere else. So, they shop at Wal-Mart alot. Many of the people you think are 'in love' with Wal-Mart because they shop there all the time do so not because they want to but reality more or less dictates they have to.

I'm not writing all this to bash Wal-Mart, or to bash unions at all. I've known people from both sides. I'll venture far enough to say that of the Wal-Mart employees I have known, they have been very hard working, friendly, and good all-around people. But it does seem they are more miserable working at Wal-Mart. They often live in areas where Wal-Mart has driven small businesses out of the area, so there are no other real options to work at. And management has in more ways then one, screwed them over. Sorry, I don't happen to have the details on HOW, and I wouldn't spill their private affairs everywhere if I did. Not trying to bash anyone in this thread at all, so I hope noone takes it that way. But with the good Wal-Mart does bring, is it worth all the high cost(s)???
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:23 am

And because some knothead is bound to bring it up, I'm a Republican, for the record.
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Wed Apr 27, 2005 5:30 am

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 37):
Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 15):
Gallon of 1% milk store brand Cub Twin pack $4.99
Wal-Mart $ 2.82 single

My math tells me that if you buy two gallons of milk at Walmart you will be paying $5.64. So you will save money buying the twin pack at $4.99

Cub has two 1/2 gallon containers are packed together for $4.99. WalMart has a single one gallon container for $2.82.

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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Wed Apr 27, 2005 7:21 am

Quoting N317AS (Reply 7):
"Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?"

I know I'm doing my part to make it happen. Haven't ever shopped there and never will.

I hate WalMart and would love to see them go under too. That said, I'm amused at how many people have expressed this view, and no one says "how can you say that! think of the employees!" In the Civil Aviation forum, when someone even hints that USAirways should go under because it's a drag on the industry, people are all up in arms about it.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 18):
Yes, That's it!!! DELL!!!! THE Computer KING of the USA brings in 6 days a week a completely loaded 747 from China full of parts to build their USA computers...

Hey?? Where is Dellwatch.com???

Interestingly, Thomas Friedman (one of my favorite authors) has a new book out, "The World is Flat," and he has a whole section about the making of a Dell computer. He tracks the origin of every part, and they come from something like 20 countries. He does this to show how economically interconnected we are, and how such interconnected countries are less likely to go to war. So my point is, it's extremely well documented - probably better than almost any other company - that Dell's products come from all over the world.

Quoting MTChemNerd757 (Reply 38):
just hate the place itself. Redneck central. It's a freaking zoo in there 24 hours a day - unreal

Again, people in CivAv forum freak out when we speak of WN pax like this. But it's true! I'm not disagreeing. I'm just amused how differently people react when we're talking about Wal-Mart (the biggest employer in the U.S.) versus an airline.
 
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Wed Apr 27, 2005 7:27 am

Wal-Mart is much more nowadays than just an American supermarket chain...their earnings include offshoots in many other countries.

And ours are also heavily stocked with China sourced non-food items. As are all the other supermarkets.

Globalisation works that way. The Chinese and Asian nations can produce these kind of lower ticket items way below what the first world can, and customers buy accordingly.

That's life. Everyone else is at it, so why not Wal-Mart?
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RE: Is The Collapse Of Wal Mart In The Future?

Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:09 am

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):

Not only that, but I remember an article sometime last year about how the state of California spent $68 million in public assistance to Walmart employees because Walmart doesn't offer certain benefits. This is on top of the tax breaks Walmart received for just building the stores.

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