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Bush's SS Plan In Trouble-So He Wants Delay's Help

Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:53 pm

Talk about bringing along a load of bricks, and an utter distraction, Mr. Bush wants this scumbag Delay to be part of his entourage in pushing Social Security Reform.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/26/bush.ap/index.html

So, instead of getting questions about Social Security, all you'll get, Mr. President, is unneeded distractions about Mr. Delay's little problems with his own ethical lapses, and possibly his threatening federal judges he doesn't like.

Boy, you're second term is off to a great start....rotfl.
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RE: Bush's SS Plan In Trouble-So He Wants Delay's Help

Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:54 pm

Bush sure is a winner.  Yeah sure

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RE: Bush's SS Plan In Trouble-So He Wants Delay's Help

Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:03 pm

Well, I know Dubya's made his share of mistakes - as we all do - but this is bizarre - even for me. As much crap as Delay is obviously buried in, you'd think Dubya'd distance himself.

From the article: "Tom DeLay, who is facing allegations of ethical improprieties but is seen by the White House as crucial to pushing Bush's plans through Congress."

Crucial? How the hell is Delay crucial? So he's the Majority Leader - not for long I hope. Bush ought to get Delay aboard AF1, and say to him, "Looky here, Tom old Boy, you're a fuck up and it's gonna come out soon, best for you to disappear into the woodwork now before the Ethics Committee shoves it up your ass".

I'm not sure I subscribe to Falcon's theory that this is a Diversion of Attention away from Delay's troubles, but rather brings them back into the spotlight. Currently, each time I hear Delay's name or see his picture my brain equates Delay with Ethics Violations. I'm sure I'm not alone.

Bush' Social Security plan is currently dead in the water anyway (thank goodness) so attaching Delay's name to it couldn't possibly hurt it any more.

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RE: Bush's SS Plan In Trouble-So He Wants Delay's Help

Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:07 pm

I have to agree ANC, this plan is dead in the water. While I think that some of it has merit, it's not going to fly in it's current form. So far as DeLay, Bush needs to put him on AF1 and fly him somewhere near Siberia, so everyone will forget about him. This is very bizarre, becuase now every time this is on the news it will go something like this:

"Pres Bsuch was on the road again touting his social security reform plan. HIs new point man, Tom DeLay, is currently being investigated for ethical improprieties...."

Not that kind of press he needs right now!
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RE: Bush's SS Plan In Trouble-So He Wants Delay's Help

Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:30 pm

I don't get this either. If I was in politics I would be running from DeLay like he was a burning building.

Maybe it is an attempt to show a united front in the party? Maybe Bush doesn't even think his social security plan is that great of an idea. I kind of like it, but what do I know?

Quoting Flyingbronco05 (Reply 1):
Bush sure is a winner.

Does he seriously ever think?

He is probably a hell of a lot smarter than you are. His intelligence has been debated thousands of times over in here. For being a dumbass he has had more life success than any member of this message board, so I would think he has earned at least a little respect.
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RE: Bush's SS Plan In Trouble-So He Wants Delay's Help

Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:33 pm

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 4):
For being a dumbass he has had more life success than any member of this message board, so I would think he has earned at least a little respect.

Does it count as success if it was bought for him with Daddy's money ? Left to his own devices, look what a great job he made of his oil companies...

Respect ? Not so far...
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RE: Bush's SS Plan In Trouble-So He Wants Delay's Help

Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:40 pm

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 4):
For being a dumbass he has had more life success than any member of this message board, so I would think he has earned at least a little respect.

Respect? How? I respect him only on the level that he is POTUS, but beyond that, he's never accomplished anything on his own, far as I can tell. Little Boy Rove created him from a little pot of clay, it seems to me, and built him up to appear far more than he is.

Most of what he's done in his life has been failures, not successes-he was involved in several business that lied to and ripped off consumers (one of which he made a hefty sum of $$ when he sold his stock the week before the company came clean on its lying to the public), he wasn't a successful baseball owner; looking at the mess that is Texas, with it's polluted air and it's terrible schools, he certainly wasn't a success there; and now, he's trying to do to the U.S. what he did to Texas. Success? For whom?
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RE: Bush's SS Plan In Trouble-So He Wants Delay's Help

Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:45 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
he wasn't a successful baseball owner;

And you were?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
he was involved in several business

And what did you do with your life?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
looking at the mess that is Texas, with it's polluted air and it's terrible schools,

It was a mess before him.. And here is the real shocker.. It is still a mess
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RE: Bush's SS Plan In Trouble-So He Wants Delay's Help

Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:51 pm

What have I done with my life, Captoveur? I've lived a good, honest life-I haven't swindled shareholders and the public, then made something like $600,000 off of it, when the company that I was a corporate officer in, lied to the public; I didn't get a baseball team handed to me, for practically nothing, because I was the president's son, because it would look good when I ran for governor. No, I didn't do that.

I didn't become a governor, sorry to say-then make my state the most polluted in the Union, and ruin the schools system, pass it off as a success, then try it on a larger scale when I became president.

I didn't start a war based on old family grudges, and to try and win a second term in office, then whe it was found out the reason I went to war was totally false, but instead of being a man and owning up to that fact, then created false reasons after the fact, for going to war. You're right, I did none of that.

It may have been a mess before him, and it's a bigger mess since he left. Respect that?
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RE: Bush's SS Plan In Trouble-So He Wants Delay's Help

Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:57 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Bush ought to get Delay aboard AF1, and say to him, "Looky here, Tom old Boy, you're a fuck up and it's gonna come out soon, best for you to disappear into the woodwork now before the Ethics Committee shoves it up your ass".

LMAO! Whoa, that was a good one ANCFlyer!

Anyways, I figure there must be something that is a little less public that links DeLay to the White House (BlackMail?) I figure the Republicans would be in damage control mode, but maybe there are larger things at stake if DeLay gets a very public curb kicking by the Republican Party. I also figure that American's, at least Republican Americans, have overlooked or forgiven any links between the current administration and Enron, Saudi Oil, the Bin Ladens, etc. so I doubt giving DeLay the boot will raise national ethics questions against the entire party (though the Democrats would love to see that happen).

So in conclusion, I am completely baffled. This must be related to bigger, deeper issues for the Republican Party to have that embarrassment DeLay hanging on their tailcoats.
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RE: Bush's SS Plan In Trouble-So He Wants Delay's Help

Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:00 am

Kinda came up with this while I am sitting here...

Most reps don't like/know the social security reform won't pass. Bush knows this. He could be associating deLay's name with this as a way to bury him. He can blame that it didn't work on deLay's failures and then when the ethics committee comes down on him they can just sweep him away.

Well, nothing would surprise me at this point.
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RE: Bush's SS Plan In Trouble-So He Wants Delay's Help

Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:02 am

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 4):
He is probably a hell of a lot smarter than you are.

I honestly doubt it.

I have never done drugs, never had a DUI and I wouldn't have sat there for 7 minutes when we are being attacked.

I earned my way into college. I can speak english fluently. I'm honest. I don't kill innocent US soldiers. I admit my mistakes.

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RE: Bush's SS Plan In Trouble-So He Wants Delay's Help

Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:11 am

Quoting TPASXM787 (Reply 10):
Bush knows this. He could be associating deLay's name with this as a way to bury him. He can blame that it didn't work on deLay's failures and then when the ethics committee comes down on him they can just sweep him away.

If that were true, then I'll have even less respect for Mr. Bush than I already have. It's HIS plan, and if he's looking for a fall guy, simply to take the heat off him-especially someone he's been close to-that would be reprehinsable.

Fortunately, I don't think that's the case here, and even if it were, we'd never find out about it.
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RE: Bush's SS Plan In Trouble-So He Wants Delay's Help

Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:20 am

Democrats, I have an idea, instead of criticizing SS, why don't you come up with some solutions? As of late it seems the only thing you guys have been doing is critisizing...tsk tsk
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RE: Bush's SS Plan In Trouble-So He Wants Delay's Help

Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:23 am

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 13):
Democrats, I have an idea, instead of criticizing SS, why don't you come up with some solutions?

On one level, I heartily agree, AA61hvy. But on another level, even if the Democrats in Congress came up with something, it would be completely ignored by their GOP counterparts, which is painfully obvious.

So, for legislative reasons, it would do no good. However, as a counter for when election time rolls around, I couldn't agree more with you.
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RE: Bush's SS Plan In Trouble-So He Wants Delay's Help

Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:24 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Currently, each time I hear Delay's name or see his picture my brain equates Delay with Ethics Violations. I'm sure I'm not alone.

My brain tends to think of the term "utter asshole" whenever Delay's name gets mentioned, but that's just me.  Wink

Quoting TPASXM787 (Reply 10):
Most reps don't like/know the social security reform won't pass. Bush knows this. He could be associating deLay's name with this as a way to bury him. He can blame that it didn't work on deLay's failures and then when the ethics committee comes down on him they can just sweep him away.

It would be a really nasty thing to do (though it's Delay so I don't really care what happens to him), but Bush would never do that to a Republican. He is so loyal to his party it is shocking. And, I kind of get the feeling that that loyalty is brought on by the fact that Bush gets most of his ideas and policies from those people.

Here's another thing that I thought about: by bringing Delay on board, Bush can deflect questions about the ethics scandals by saying "we're not here to discuss that, we're here to discuss social security" in the inevitable event that they are brought up. His administration really likes to dodge questions like that. So, Bush could be doing a favor to an old friend. And we'll have to see whether it works or not.

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RE: Bush's SS Plan In Trouble-So He Wants Delay's Help

Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:26 am

Quoting Flyingbronco05 (Reply 11):
I don't kill innocent US soldiers.

Since when does the Commander in Chief "KILL" soldiers? Soldiers join and are trained to defend our people and our nation. If they die when performing their duties, it is a tragedy, but it is a danger that comes with the job.

I hate when fellow Democrats "support our military and our troops" but can't stand it when they perform their duties and serve our nation. That's a double standard in my mind's eye.
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RE: Bush's SS Plan In Trouble-So He Wants Delay's Help

Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:33 am

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 13):
Democrats, I have an idea, instead of criticizing SS, why don't you come up with some solutions? As of late it seems the only thing you guys have been doing is critisizing...tsk tsk

Very valid point. However, they are all afraid of offering an alternative because messing with SS is political suicide. The current pay as you go system was set up in a different era and it won't keep working for much longer unless something is done. I really doubt anyone can deny that.

There is always the option of cutting off all use of Hospitals at age 75.. That would keep the population from aging excessively and make the pay as you go thing start to work again.
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RE: Bush's SS Plan In Trouble-So He Wants Delay's Help

Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:07 am

Why doesn't he enlist Clinton? After all Clinton had a similar plan except it involved a larger percentage of funds being moved to private accounts...
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