KLMA330
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Is It Really This Strict In Dubai?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:45 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4481621.stm

I was shocked after reading this. Up to this point, I've thought of Dubai as a great place to party, spend money, and have fun. If this is how they treat tourists though, and if finding drugs in one's urine constitutes possession, I'm not sure it's a place that I'd be willing to venture to in order to have fun.. Any thoughts?
 
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RE: Is It Really This Strict In Dubai?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:52 am

"Codeine is banned by the Arab nation, and the presence of such drugs in the body is counted as possession and carries a minimum sentence of four years imprisonment."

This is like saying if I get off of a LOT Polish flight in Chicago after having a beer on the flight and then an immigration officer at ORD senses the alcohol on my breath he is going to arrest me for consumption and posession? Even though it was perfectly legal. That has actually happened to me and he asked me where i had it. His face didnt even gesture that i did anything wrong when i told him.

Total crap, i hope she will be released ASAP.
 
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RE: Is It Really This Strict In Dubai?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:17 am

That is really sad as you can purchase it legally in aspirin in Canada......
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RE: Is It Really This Strict In Dubai?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:30 am

And Dubai is one of the more open minded countries in that region...
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RE: Is It Really This Strict In Dubai?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:32 am

Quoting KLMA330 (Thread starter):
I've thought of Dubai as a great place to party, spend money, and have fun.

Dubai is a new pristine playground for the wealthy and powerful. Dubai is a place where business deals are made that directly affects millions around the world.
Dubai is a soulless business resort void of any culture and/or history. It nothing more than a Club Med for those tied to the oil industry. There is no cultural cross pollination of culture between the natives and visitors.
Keep in mind, the UAE is our government's little bitch ally in the Middle East.


Sorry to hear about what happen to this rich lady but this happens to many international travelers. Four years for this is a bit stiff.
Dubai is hardly a place I'd want to spend my time & money.
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RE: Is It Really This Strict In Dubai?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:41 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
Dubai is a soulless business resort void of any culture and/or history.

Wouldn't be too sure there. A trip into neighboring Sharjah has a lot of nice museums, simple life, and the restraunts are amazing.

That being said, I do think society is very stratified there, with mostly Arabs and Westerners living lavishly, while on the other hand, South Asian immigrants are relegated to middle class and labor jobs. It really hit home for me when I saw a poor man speaking into a tape recorder. I asked my uncle about it who told me that some workers there are so poor that the only communication with their family that they can afford, is to tape their voice and mail it home.
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RE: Is It Really This Strict In Dubai?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:41 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
And Dubai is one of the more open minded countries in that region...

Since when is Dubai a country?
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RE: Is It Really This Strict In Dubai?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:53 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):

What makes you think she is rich??
 
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RE: Is It Really This Strict In Dubai?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:54 am

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 6):
Since when is Dubai a country?

Whoops...my bad. It's still one of the most open minded areas in the Middle East...and that's not saying much.
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RE: Is It Really This Strict In Dubai?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:56 am

This seems like an idiotic law that made its ways on the books and now some nameless, faceless bureaucrats are going gung ho over it.

Dubai does not have the monopoly on that species.

That being said, I do think society is very stratified there, with mostly Arabs and Westerners living lavishly, while on the other hand, South Asian immigrants are relegated to middle class and labor jobs.

It is, but some of the richest people in Dubai are actually South Asian migrants who've made billions. But rarely do you see cultures mixing in Dubai. It's Vegas without the spunk.

It really hit home for me when I saw a poor man speaking into a tape recorder.

This poor man, probably from South Asia, must make 100X what he would make in Delhi or Peshawar or Chittagong. It's all relative.
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RE: Is It Really This Strict In Dubai?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:28 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
Dubai is hardly a place I'd want to spend my time & money.

After reading a bit more, and realising a few things on Dubai, I'm inclined to agree with you Superfly!
 
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RE: Is It Really This Strict In Dubai?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:50 am

Exactly why is codeine banned in Dubai??
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RE: Is It Really This Strict In Dubai?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:02 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 9):
It is, but some of the richest people in Dubai are actually South Asian migrants who've made billions. But rarely do you see cultures mixing in Dubai. It's Vegas without the spunk.

That is true. However, I think among recent South Asian immigrants, I don't see such a case.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 9):
This poor man, probably from South Asia, must make 100X what he would make in Delhi or Peshawar or Chittagong. It's all relative.

Oh no doubt Jay. But the thing is that many Western tourists don't get to see this. Many envision it as a rich paradise but do not get to see the actual backbone of the city and the many little quirks in their law about "decency" (in Sharjah at least) and business ownership rights.
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RE: Is It Really This Strict In Dubai?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:43 am

But the thing is that many Western tourists don't get to see this. Many envision it as a rich paradise but do not get to see the actual backbone of the city

True enough.

But that's the case with any tourist destination, be it Manhattan or Shanghai or Dubai. Tourists are there on vacation, not to bond with laborers.

Plus, someone has to build those over-the-top bling bling hotels, absurd man-made islands, tacky McMansions, and endless miles of EK Terminals.

When you have an endless supply of cheap labor just a 2 hour flight away, why not use it? It's a win-win situation for everyone.

That is true. However, I think among recent South Asian immigrants, I don't see such a case.

I would say that 80% of S. Asian immigrants into Dubai today are laborers and construction workers, while the other 20% are middle class management and business professionals.

In any case, from my limited trips to Dubai, I sense a pecking order/caste system established by the Dubai Emiriti themselves. At the top are the Emiriti who think they are God's chosen creatures but who deep inside still feel inferior to the West and have to prove something. Then you have the Brits followed by the Germans. The Americans are somewhere below the Brits and the Euros, because Arabs think that Americans are crass, while Euros are sophisticates (hardly - most of the Euros in Dubai are totally trashy). Then you have this odd strata composed of Indian doctors, and super rich Indian businessmen (who the Emiriti tolerate because they really, really need them - after all Arabs get sick too, and the Indo-business types keep the business backbone of Dubai going even if they aren't too flashy). Below them are Arab professionals from Lebanon, Egypt, etc. And below them are professionals from the Indian subcontinent, followed by Indian/Iranian/Eygptian traders and petty businessmen. After that you have the folks who really keep Dubai going - Filipino and Thai maids, Pakistani and Indian laborers, Sri Lankan wait staff, etc etc etc.
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RE: Is It Really This Strict In Dubai?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:59 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 13):
and the Indo-business types keep the business backbone of Dubai going even if they aren't too flashy)

FYI for those of you that don't know. On paper, a business must be at least 51% owned by an Emiriti (or I beleive a GCC passport holder). Therefore you have a large group of Arab "sponsors" in Dubai that register the business with you but play no other part except coming in once a month to collect their pre-arranged fee for the business.
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RE: Is It Really This Strict In Dubai?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:31 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 13):
But that's the case with any tourist destination, be it Manhattan or Shanghai or Dubai. Tourists are there on vacation, not to bond with laborers.

Not really.
It's impossible to not see some urban blight and grime between JFK and the Four Seasons Hotel in Manhattan. Your are going to see some dirt, homelessness and rough parts in between. The rish aren't as sheltered from the poor in older citres such as New York, Boston, San Francisco, London, Amsterdam, Chicago or Rio.
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RE: Is It Really This Strict In Dubai?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:41 am

Not really.
It's impossible to not see some urban blight and grime between JFK and the Four Seasons Hotel in Manhattan. Your are going to see some dirt, homelessness and rough parts in between. The rish aren't as sheltered from the poor in older citres such as New York, Boston, San Francisco, London, Amsterdam, Chicago or Rio.


It's because these are older cities.

And unlike say 3rd World cities like Bombay or Bangkok or Rio where the rich and the poor live in close proximity to each other, in most First World cities, the rich NEVER come into contact, let alone see the urban poor. I mean sure you may see low income housing as you drive from JFK to your $ 550 a night hotel room in Manhattan, but you sure as hell aint going to be part of it. I mean, sure there are some trust fund liberals who may coo about how much they love the grittiness of NYC, but they aint going to plant their butts in the Bronx any time soon.

Dubai is different only because it's new and sparkly and urban blight as we know it in the West or in the 3rd World doesn't really exist.
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RE: Is It Really This Strict In Dubai?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:00 am

Many Asian and Islamic countries have strictly enforced laws as to drugs, mainily to the illegal trade. As to Dubai, such drugs, if used recreationaly may also be considered against the Islamic faith. If the woman here was using the drug legally in the eyes of a recognized country, in this case the UK, and she had a legal prescription in her possession, then there shouldn't be a problem. I hope one of the leaders of that country realizes the mistake made here. Is is noted she had an apparent problem with her passport hence the need for drug test. I am quite sure Dubai is very concerned with becomming a transit point for illegal drug trade/transport and to keep it away from their citizens.
Still, it doesn't excuse that this woman has been jailed for many weeks and may face a long jail term. I hope 'Allah' has mercy on her.
 
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RE: Is It Really This Strict In Dubai?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:04 am

Jaysit:
That's sort of like what I already said. In New York the rich aren't totally insulated from the poor like in Dubai.
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RE: Is It Really This Strict In Dubai?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:57 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 13):
At the top are the Emiriti who.....

That made me smile, Jaysit. I've been to the UAE a few times and I thought your little analysis (whilst ever so slightly tongue in cheek) was excellent!

Incidentally, although this woman has been held for around 7 weeks, it only became public very recently, presumably because the Foreign Office were trying to get her released quickly and quietly, without having the press descending on Dubai asking what the hell is going on.

Anyway, it's actually been quite well publicised here, and the British make up a sizeable proportion of the western tourists who go to Dubai. It has to have damaged their reputation somewhat. I'm sure I'm not alone is wondering whether I've arrived there with painkillers that are also on their banned list. You just wouldn't know about it.
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RE: Is It Really This Strict In Dubai?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:15 am

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 7):
What makes you think she is rich??

Sorry I missed your reply yesterday.
Only rich people visit that place. No one scrapes there pennies together to visit Dubai. Dubai is just a place for businessmen & women to cut deals with one another.
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