futureuapilot
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Computer Deals

Sat May 07, 2005 10:56 am

Hey guys, i'm building a friend a computer because he is on a tight budget, and i need some suggestions for the motherboard. The board i'm lookin at is here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m&item=6766953276#ebayphotohosting
I'm not sure if it's what he wants, so here is my question. I want to build him a nice computer, and this looks like a good deal for the price, and I've worked with this seller before, so i know he sells good products. Is there anything i should look for? When it comes to comuters, he's as stupid as a dead bat, so i don't think he would really need to expand much. Is this as good of a deal as i think it is? The seller also has a sale going on a network switch. I don't have any need for it but i thought i might just pass it on. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5772356264 . Thanks again!

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TedTAce
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RE: Computer Deals

Sat May 07, 2005 11:02 am

If your friends' ONLY intention is to websurf, email and do some other 'light' functions, sure. If he wants to play DOOM 3 or really enjoy a flight simulator, then the answer is "Whoop Whoop, Pull UP!!! Whoop Whoop, Pull UP!!!"

I presume that you do have a spare (or another purchase) Slot A CPU picked out?
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futureuapilot
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RE: Computer Deals

Sat May 07, 2005 11:07 am

Yeah, I already have the processor, a Slot A Athlon, 1Ghz. He basically wants it to work on reports and such at home. He doesn't really get into games.

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RE: Computer Deals

Sat May 07, 2005 11:08 am

Sam, that motherboard is really old. Not worth it at all. You'd have a hard time finding components that would work with it. But it is Y2K compliant! I'd check out http://www.newegg.com/ for good stuff thats not too costly.
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futureuapilot
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RE: Computer Deals

Sat May 07, 2005 11:13 am

I'm thinking of making it an inexpensive Linux box, that wouldn't work for it? He says he doesn't want a CD drive... just a USB and a 3.5 inch floppy.

I'm thinking of setting up a network for my house, could i use that network switch?

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RE: Computer Deals

Sat May 07, 2005 11:19 am

That swich is way overkill. I'd look at something like the Linksys BEFSR41. Should be around $40.

If you want a computer to tinker with that auction mobo would be fine. But as TedTAce mentioned, don't expect much from it.
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Klaus
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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 3:29 am

No game console? In that case he´d be much better off with a Mac Mini. Hardly much more expensive, a lot less time to be wasted on maintenance and much easier to use overall. Tiny, silent and just cute on top of that, too.

And it comes with an un-crippled full version of a top-notch OS (MacOS X "Tiger") which is far ahead of Windows plus a whole suite of equally excellent applications you´d have to pay extra for under Windows (if you´d even find comparable ones).
 
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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 5:03 am

Klaus: I know i shouldn't say this in front of children, but Microsoft Rules!!!  Wink I seem to remember us debating about this from a past topic! Big grin

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Klaus
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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 5:19 am

FutureUApilot: Klaus: I know i shouldn't say this in front of children, but Microsoft Rules!!!

Sure - 95% of current sales. But all tyrants need to - and will - fall eventually!  bigthumbsup 

And especially for a newbie jumping ahead with a Mac is the best he could do!
 
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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 5:38 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
And especially for a newbie jumping ahead with a Mac is the best he could do!

Depends on what he/she needs the computer for.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
And it comes with an un-crippled full version of a top-notch OS (MacOS X "Tiger") which is far ahead of Windows

Too bad applications (those thingies you actually use for your work) are often far behind their Windows counterparts.
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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 5:50 am

NoUFO: Depends on what he/she needs the computer for.

Apparently for personal use, but not as a game console. So it should be pretty clear.


NoUFO: Too bad applications (those thingies you actually use for your work) are often far behind their Windows counterparts.

In most instances that´s not the case, often it´s the other way around.
 
futureuapilot
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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 6:56 am

Will Mac programs (ex. word documents) be compatable with Windows? He'll need to take this stuff to school and work on it there too...

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Klaus
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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 7:10 am

MS Office (with Word) is available for MacOS X as well.

A simple text editor already comes with the system which can read and write Word texts (no fancy stuff).

All applications in MacOS X can print to PDF "out of the box", by the way.
 
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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 7:14 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):
In most instances that�s not the case, often it�s the other way around.

Right, programs that don't exist, don't crash. Big grin

Quoting FutureUApilot (Reply 11):
Will Mac programs (ex. word documents) be compatable with Windows?

Not the applications/programs (duh) but the files they create, i.e. MS Word documents or Macromedia Flash movies.

If he is going to use his computer to go online and write some reports on Word, burn a CD and listen to music, he should indeed go for a Mac.
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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 7:31 am

Pushing a MAC as a 'low cost PC'?!?!? Did I miss something???

BTW, someone cited newegg, and I agree that for a direct POP, newegg is GREAT, BUT.. if you REALLY want to work the best deals here are two more sites that are GREAT....

www.slickdeals.net (usually Dell, but the deals are SLICK and not JUST PC's!!!)
and
www.pricewatch.com for comparison shopping with a lot of cheap vendors of varying quality.
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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 7:31 am

NoUFO: Right, programs that don't exist, don't crash.

Since it´s primarily worms, viruses and trojans which "sadly" won´t run on MacOS X I can easily live with that. What good are 100 Windows programs if 95 of them are crap anyway and I can choose from 4 or 5 good or even excellent ones under MacOS?

There are very few actual gaps, and even most of those can be closed by using VirtualPC on the Mac (a PC emulation software).
 
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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 7:57 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
Since it�s primarily worms, viruses and trojans which "sadly" won�t run on MacOS X I can easily live with that. What good are 100 Windows programs if 95 of them are crap anyway and I can choose from 4 or 5 good or even excellent ones under MacOS?

Ok, got a copy of Macromedia Authorware or a stable Version of Macromedia Flash for Mac? What editor do you use to create text files written in Unicode text? There are some, but they are either costy or crap.
What good 3rd party tools for Flash, Director and Authorware are around? Again: There are some but less than those for Windows.
Very few companies continue to support Macs - one of them is Microsoft - and even Macromedia and Adobe (or Adobe alone after both companies merged) have thinned out their Mac development departments - and it shows.

The old argument "What good are 100 Windows programs if 95 of them are crap anyway and I can choose from 4 or 5 good or even excellent ones under MacOS?" is in fact a prime example of blindness Mac evangelists volunteer to suffer from.

In many cases, a Mac is the better computer. In many other cases it is the standard Windows PC.
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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 9:18 am

NoUFO, I´m sorry that Macromedia doesn´t support you as well as you´d like and that decent software is not always for free. But that´s worlds apart from your generic claim above.
 
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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 9:34 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
I´m sorry that Macromedia doesn´t support you as well as you´d like

It's not only Macromedia.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
and that decent software is not always for free.

That's not what I expect ....

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
But that´s worlds apart from your generic claim above.

... but I have yet to meet a Mac user who has never said "Dang, I wish that was available for my Mac, too!" or "If only I had the choice, PC users have."
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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 9:51 am

NoUFO: It's not only Macromedia.

Still not the generally horrible picture you were painting, even though I get your particular frustration over Macromedia.


NoUFO: ... but I have yet to meet a Mac user who has never said "Dang, I wish that was available for my Mac, too!"

"...but in Mac-usual quality, of course, not this kind of crap!" Big grin
Sure. Once or twice. Not more. And it was usually just a matter of time until a comparable - or better - product came around.


NoUFO: or "If only I had the choice, PC users have."

Uh, no. Numbers aren´t everything if the quality can´t deliver.
 
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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 10:13 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 19):
Uh, no. Numbers aren´t everything if the quality can´t deliver.

First true thing you have said in our mini battle tonight!!!  duck   Wink Except if we look at the windows OS, it is both a quality system and has tremendous numbers in stock. Seems like it has both quality and numbers! WOW! What a great company!!!  Cool

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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 10:22 am

You´re surely joking. Many millions of users are daily straining under the onslaught of malware and Windows-generated frustrations. Ignorance may be bliss - but in this case knowledge would do you good. If you knew and were still happy with Windows, good for you. But without really knowing the difference it doesn´t say much, does it?

It takes a bit more than just five minutes of dabbling to get it.
 
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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 10:31 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
It takes a bit more than just five minutes of dabbling to get it.

Oh my friend, i know Macs well, my school has a whole computer lab with them our science teacher only works with Macs... thus subjecting us very often to the terror of the evil fruit... Big grin

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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 10:42 am

If that were the case you could easily be more specific; But it seems you can´t.
 
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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 10:49 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 23):
If that were the case you could easily be more specific

I'll give you a specific example. We did a video report, and had to use iDVD... the thing wouldn't syncronize the video with the audio after it would finally accept the video. I did the exact same project with Magix Movie Edit Pro for Windows and it worked great. Hmmm

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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 11:07 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 19):
Still not the generally horrible picture you were painting, even though I get your particular frustration over Macromedia.

The pictures I'm painting are by far less generalizing than yours and I really like Macromedia products.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 19):
"...but in Mac-usual quality, of course, not this kind of crap!

Speaking of "generally horrible pictures" ...
Do you know a good program for MacOS, other than the quite expensive Screentime, to create screensavers with?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
Many millions of users are daily straining under the onslaught of malware and Windows-generated frustrations.

I have used Windows for the last 16 years (Macs: 7 years) and my PCs never had an infection by a virus, trojan horse or worm.
I have used my current WinXP PC for the last 1.5 years on a daily basis (10 or 12 hours a day) and the only two complaints I have are that
a) MS Word sometimes crashes when I start Photoshop (though I have never lost a single paragraph, because Word has so far always managed to create a backup) and
b) that the autostart option of my ZIP-drive is unreliable.

One defragmentation (~ 20 min.) was all the maintenance required.
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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 11:25 am

FutureUApilot: I'll give you a specific example. We did a video report, and had to use iDVD... the thing wouldn't syncronize the video with the audio after it would finally accept the video. I did the exact same project with Magix Movie Edit Pro for Windows and it worked great. Hmmm

Can´t help you there, since I don´t use iDVD; But I´ve often seen people attempt complicated solutions where much simpler ones existed, particularly under MacOS.


NoUFO: Do you know a good program for MacOS, other than the quite expensive Screentime, to create screensavers with?

Didn´t have the need so far; I would have expected to use xcode and InterfaceBuilder for that.


NoUFO: I have used Windows for the last 16 years (Macs: 7 years) and my PCs never had an infection by a virus, trojan horse or worm.

Good for you. Too bad millions of Windows users are less lucky, apparently. At the same time, all MacOS X users are still unaffected. Simple and unproblematic drag-and-drop un-installation, no need for Windows re-installations and a much less hostile system environment are further factors for MacOS.
 
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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 11:33 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 26):
Can´t help you there, since I don´t use iDVD; But I´ve often seen people attempt complicated solutions where much simpler ones existed, particularly under MacOS.

Does that mean I won one of the arguments???

Quoting Klaus (Reply 26):
At the same time, all MacOS X users are still unaffected

That's the problem!!! Mac's are so predictable! With Windows it's a new adventure every day! By the way, how much does a 2.66 Ghz Apple cost with 111 GB of Hard drive space? Rough estimates work...

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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 11:34 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 26):
Didn´t have the need so far; I would have expected to use xcode and InterfaceBuilder for that.

See ... different computers for different needs. I use to create screensavers by using Flash movies.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 26):
At the same time, all MacOS X users are still unaffected (from viruses).

Foremost because MacOS is not standard.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 26):
Simple and unproblematic drag-and-drop un-installation, no need for Windows re-installations and a much less hostile system environment are further factors for MacOS.

Twenty minutes of maintenance after 1.5 years is not that bad against the background I've paid some EUR 800, not 1,800.

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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 12:01 pm

FutureUApilot: Does that mean I won one of the arguments???

Your point was that "Macs crash all the time". And no, that doesn´t qualify, not nearly so.


FutureUApilot: That's the problem!!! Mac's are so predictable! With Windows it's a new adventure every day!

I see where you´re coming from... I guess a Mac would really not be for you! Big grin


FutureUApilot: By the way, how much does a 2.66 Ghz Apple cost with 111 GB of Hard drive space? Rough estimates work...

Inflated Pentium clock rates must be corrected down to G4 or G5 clock rates for a comparison, and even then the OS and the applications make a significant difference as well.

The low-end iMac should compare pretty well; Including the built-in 17" screen it´s $1299 in the US online store including a full version of OS X 10.4 and the usual bundle of full-version applications.

No doubt you can use lower-quality components and manufacturing standards; But if you´d try to assemble a PC of equal quality (if possible at all) you´d have a hard time staying below that price.


NoUFO: Foremost because MacOS is not standard.

Are you complaining here that virus authors haven´t "standardized" on MacOS X, or what were you trying to say? Big grin


NoUFO: Twenty minutes of maintenance after 1.5 years is not that bad against the background I've paid some EUR 800, not 1,800.

Your point being? The Mac Mini starts at $499, the iMac G5 at $1299 and the PowerMac G5 at $1499.

And I rather doubt your Windows system would have survived, much less survived without serious maintenance what I´ve done with my Mac in a similar time frame.
 
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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 12:11 pm

Hey, i have to go to bed, and won't be home tomorrow... so Klaus:

I, Sam, will not give up my fight. I will be back Monday, and by then i'll have the best argument on the face of the earth. Be very scared!!! Cya Monday!


-Sam

(p.s, thanks for the entertaining evening)
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Klaus
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RE: Computer Deals

Sun May 08, 2005 12:18 pm

Just refer to the other thread.

Good night!

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