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Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Tue May 17, 2005 3:33 pm

So... if you've gotten this far;

What are the grammatical / spelling errors that get under your skin (two/too/to -- there/their/they're)?

A few of mine are:

"loose" vs. "lose" - seen quite frequently

"aircrafts" - not a word. The plural of "aircraft" is "aircraft".

"brakes" and "breaks"

I've also noticed that lately there are many folks flying the Stars and Stripes next to their name who seem to be attempting to impress our U.K. brethren by adding a "u" to anything that ends in "or". I just caught a post referring to somthing "majour" in the past few minutes. It's not the first, won't be the last, although it was very colo'u'rful.

What about your grammar / spelling peeves, other than people like me who bitch about spelling and grammar?  Wink
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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Tue May 17, 2005 3:41 pm

Quoting Wukka (Thread starter):
What about your grammar / spelling peeves, other than people like me who bitch about spelling and grammar?

The under usage of quality words. Like "dork".

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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Tue May 17, 2005 3:47 pm

I'm not really bothered by most, but for some reason it annoys me when people say "I" when they should say "me" (or he/she when it should he him/her)--because it sounds pretentious to me, like they think they are being correct and fancy when actually they are just wrong:

Examples:
"Just between you and I"
"Grandma came to the store with he and I" or, even funnier, with "him and I"--mixing the subjective and objective pronoun cases.

It usually happens when the pronoun is the object of a proposition: i.e. it's "with me/him/her" not "with I/he/she"; thus it should be "with x and me/him/her" not "with x and I/he/she" etc.

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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Tue May 17, 2005 3:47 pm

Quoting Wukka (Thread starter):
"aircrafts" - not a word. The plural of "aircraft" is "aircraft".



Quoting Wukka (Thread starter):
What about your grammar / spelling peeves, other than people like me who bitch about spelling and grammar?

aircrafts has been argued to be a fair use word, especially in p.r. and ap style writing. it's a plural of a plural.

ex.....Southwest Airlines operates a fleet of 737 aircraft. United Airlines operates a fleet of 737, 747, and 777 aircrafts.

Quoting Wukka (Thread starter):
(two/too/to -- there/their/they're)?

you're/your.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
The under usage of quality words. Like "dork".

what about words we make up on our own, like petek?
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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Tue May 17, 2005 3:50 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
quality words. Like "dork".

That is indeed a quality word. But not as choice as "barf." Now THAT'S a word for the ages...
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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Tue May 17, 2005 3:52 pm

Oh wait, I just thought of a real peeve of mine that occurs frequently on this site, much to my surprise by the people who do this:

payed instead of paid, and

fair instead of fare.

Now, how can a flight attendant not know that passengers fly on paid fares, and NOT on payed fairs?
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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Tue May 17, 2005 3:55 pm

Since this site is international, I generally overlook spelling and grammatical errors.

And given that English is taught in American schools, and the standards in those schools generally suck, I often overlook spelling and grammatical errors from Americans also.

I do have a question - since we've got some obvious literary stars on this thread . .

Whose
Who's

They always screw me up. Give me some examples . . .   

Occasionally my fingers will not work as my brain directs and the word have comes out as ahve. I hate that.

I do rather wonder at folks that consistently type the wrong words, as shown in the thread opener:

Breaks/Brakes
Your/You're
Lose/Loose
there/they're/their

But, like I said, I overlook it. As long as I understand what's being said, it really doesn't matter . . . in the big scheme of things in this world, a typo or two isn't all that big a deal . . .

Quoting STLGph (Reply 3):
what about words we make up

One of my favorites: fucktard. Just cracks me up.

EDIT: Typo, LOL

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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Tue May 17, 2005 4:01 pm

"should/would/could of"

I hate that so much. It doesn't even make sense. What is so hard about saying "should have" or "should've?" Maybe part of it is that the accent I grew up with pronounced the phrase properly so that it doesn't sound like I'm saying "should of" instead of "should've"

Also what is so hard about keeping their/there/they're straight?

Oh and one more thing. I also hate it when people write in text message speak. Certain acronyms are fine, such as AFAIK, IIRC, and the like. I don't even cringe at LOL anymore. Those are more like internet jargon. I just can't stand seeing things such as "U R gr8" and crap like that. That isn't too much of a problem around here, but it is horrible at other forums I visit.

I will admit that I am a grammar Nazi. I get that from going to Catholic school for 12 years and being taught grammar by nuns. One of my English teachers in college hated me for that because we were supposed to do free writes in class once a week without worrying about grammar. My free writes were almost always free of grammatical mistakes, so the teacher claimed that I was constraining myself to write with good grammar. She never believed that proper grammar was ingrained in my psyche and that I didn't have to think about proper conjugations, pronoun-antecedent agreement, or anything like that. But I digress, so I should probably stop typing.
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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Tue May 17, 2005 4:04 pm

Come to think of it, I was on a flight recently where the FA announced that the seatbelt sign had come on due to some "inadvertent turbulence." I had a good chuckle over that one...'cos there's nothing like the more angry intentional kind of turbulence ?!

Anyway, ANCFlyer:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
Whose
Who's

They always screw me up. Give me some examples . . .

Who's is ONLY a contraction of "who is" (e.g., "That is the woman who's going to be president" etc.)

Otherwise (when whose is possessive) it is always "whose." (e.g., That is the woman whose brother is going to be president, or "Whose hose are those?" etc.)

Hope that helps. And yes, "fucktard" is another tremendous word.

PS: Nanook and any other grammar fiends. You must listen to "Strongbad's rhythm and grammar" at the end of the "local news" email on homestarrunner. It is hilarious. Keep clicking on the CD that comes up at the end of the email, there are five or six songs that cycle around...

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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Tue May 17, 2005 4:19 pm

Quoting FlyingNanook (Reply 7):
I also hate it when people write in text message speak. Certain acronyms are fine, such as AFAIK, IIRC, and the like. I don't even cringe at LOL anymore. Those are more like internet jargon. I just can't stand seeing things such as "U R gr8" and crap like that.

I've a bad habit of overusing smilies due to a history of chat room monitoring, where we were taught to "smile from the wrists down." I hate the "U R gr8" style of typing anywhere, but then I will even start an e-mail with "Dear XXX:" if I'm sending an e-mail to someone I don't know, or if it's business e-mail.

(Also, notice the number of people who spell "e-mail" improperly as "email"?)

Now a real point of contention I've never been able to get a good answer to (because I don't think there is one), is how to punctuate within quote marks.

In the first line of this post, I included the period within the quote marks, because I was quoting from another source, rather than how I used quote marks in the second paragraph of this post.

The last time I asked this question of a friend who usually knows everything about spelling and grammar, he had to look it up in a style manual. Another friend contends within the quote marks is European, and outside the quote marks is American, so both are proper.
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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Tue May 17, 2005 4:22 pm

Grammer and spelling mistakes get right up my nose but, on this site I think they add to the flavour of the discussions.

Everyone knows the Americans haven't the faintest idea about spelling and as for the upstart Europeans, well.  stirthepot  But, as I always say to myself, at least they are using English (sort of) and not Swahili or something. Now that WOULD crack me up!!

The main idea is to get your point across and, if that involves numerous grammatical errors and spelling mistakes, who cares? The whole thing about the site is to have fun and enjoy a shared enthusiasm about aviation.

Anyway, have a nice day wherever you are and do try not to start World War III over nowt. Big grin

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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Tue May 17, 2005 4:25 pm

-People who add superfluous s to brand names, such as Red Lobster(s.)
-Those that don't know when to use a possessive "'s" versus only a plural "s," so they'd say junk like airliner's.net.
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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Tue May 17, 2005 4:26 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
One of my favorites: fucktard. Just cracks me up.

i like that, too.

who would have thought Corulez05 is good for something?
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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Tue May 17, 2005 4:31 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 12):
who would have thought Corulez05 is good for something

Oh, he's absolutely not.

I didn't get it from him, rather from Qantas077 . . .

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Tue May 17, 2005 4:38 pm

oh, i meant that he is good for something...in being a punching bag for our onslaught of new "mean" words.

yes, it is true folks, we here at airliners.net are blessed with infinite resources.
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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Tue May 17, 2005 6:08 pm

"alot"

...Is used way too much. Since when is that a word?

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Tue May 17, 2005 6:36 pm

Color should be colour
That is the one that annoys me the most  Wink
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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Tue May 17, 2005 11:16 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 3):
what about words we make up on our own, like petek?

"petek" actually means "Friday" in Slovenian. I'm not a native speaker of English - what does actually "petek" mean? (OK, maybe I'm a dork and you can beat me for my limited knowledge of English language, but I'd like to know)  blush 

In college I just hate it when in a paper or a written exam a professor corrects my "center", "traveler", "program", "theater" etc. to centre, traveller, programme, theatre...  hissyfit  You get the idea, don't you? Nothing against the Brits here, but I simply prefer the AmE - American Standard English.

Otherwise thingies as follows (believe me, you do get them from non-native speakers) make me wanna cry: "eye" for "I" (HOW THE HELL can anyone mix those two up!!!), four vs. for, informationS are, its vs. it's, he's vs. his, they're vs. their, plane vs. plain (OK, maybe it's my enthusiasm for airplanes' fault that this one nearly kills me when I see it) and much mOOre.
 
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Tue May 17, 2005 11:20 pm

i think that the word definitely is the most misspelled word here ...
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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Tue May 17, 2005 11:28 pm

isle vs. aisle (grrrr) amongst others.
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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Wed May 18, 2005 12:14 am

My current peeve is: "If I was to..."

If takes the subjunctive! It's "If I were to..."
 hissyfit 

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 10):
Grammer and spelling mistakes

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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Wed May 18, 2005 12:20 am

Something I always make sure I do correctly is referring to "the data" as the plural. Same with media actually, although I use this less often. It's not something that annoys me when I see people using data as a singular, though  Smile

Actually, possibly one of my most hated quirks on this site isn't so much a spelling or grammar mistake - it's when people feel the need to end a post with "just my two cents". And then the new set of smilies only encouraged that, with the hateful  twocents  one... gah!  banghead 

Oh, and incidentally, I always write "email" (no hyphen). Unusually, I don't use this form because I'm being anal about technicalities (as with most obscure spelling/grammar rules I try to follow), but because I just prefer the look of it  Smile

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Wed May 18, 2005 12:43 am

Quoting RedDragon (Reply 21):
Actually, possibly one of my most hated quirks on this site isn't so much a spelling or grammar mistake - it's when people feel the need to end a post with "just my two cents". And then the new set of smilies only encouraged that, with the hateful one... gah!

I suppose you're entitled to your opinion.  twocents   wink 
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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Wed May 18, 2005 2:08 am

It surely looks like the lose/loose is the most common grammatical error online.

I've been noticing more lazy, phonetic spellings that make me wince:

Rebuttle for Rebuttal....obuse for abuse, etc.

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Wed May 18, 2005 2:33 am

Scbriml: Grrr!  box 
 
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Wed May 18, 2005 2:53 am

Only thing I still have dificulty with sometimes is determining when to end a word with --s, --'s or --s's. If someone can explain me this I'd be grateful.

No real pet peeves for spelling or grammer. Just the text-message style of typing annoys me.
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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Wed May 18, 2005 2:57 am

Quoting Jaspike (Reply 15):
"alot"

or alright.

right?

;p

(all right)
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Wed May 18, 2005 3:01 am

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 25):
Only thing I still have dificulty with sometimes is determining when to end a word with --s, --'s or --s's

Here goes my try to explain this:

Just an s is to pluralize a noun: book, books

An 's denotes a contraction: Jim is reading a book becomes Jim's reading a book.

An s' is when a word ending in s is formed into a possessive: Assume a family with the last name Peters. Their house would be called the Peters' house.

I've always pronounced that Peterses, not Peters; is that correct?

An s's is     Wink

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Wed May 18, 2005 3:03 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 27):
I've always pronounced that Peterses, not Peters; is that correct?

no
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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Wed May 18, 2005 3:06 am

The overuse/misuse of the word "amazing".."I had an amazing dinner last night"
What the hell is amazing about a meal? The grand canyon is amazing..landing on the moon is amazing..the fact that a 747 (or A 380) can fly is amazing..but
a meal? A car? sheesh!



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Wed May 18, 2005 3:12 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 27):
An s' is when a word ending in s is formed into a possessive: Assume a family with the last name Peters. Their house would be called the Peters' house.

An s's is Wink

Not quite. If the word that ends in s is actually a singular word/name, you do in fact use s's. For example: James's book.

If the word ends in s because it is a plural, then you use s'.

Believe that is standard American usage...
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Wed May 18, 2005 3:39 am

Well, this is why I'm a scientist. Wink

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Wed May 18, 2005 3:43 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 31):
Well, this is why I'm a scientist. Wink

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Wed May 18, 2005 3:46 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 27):
An 's denotes a contraction: Jim is reading a book becomes Jim's reading a book.

An s' is when a word ending in s is formed into a possessive: Assume a family with the last name Peters. Their house would be called the Peters' house.

An 's also denotes posession - Jim is reading Mary's book. Mary owns the book.

James's? Yuck... think I'll use the excuse that N229NW just gave about standard American usage as justification for continuing to use just the apostrophe for posessive singular things ending in s (or x for that matter). James' book  Smile
 
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Wed May 18, 2005 3:50 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 32):
Bollocks

Sod you, Chav. Wink I spend my days making sure all the neocons in this country have clean water to drink.  Angry

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Wed May 18, 2005 4:08 am

My personal pet peeve is the over use of the apostrophe. CD's PC's etc....

CD's what?? It seems that in Britain (the inventor of the language that we speak) that there is a huge number of people that feel the need to add apostrophes everywhere.

The ' is an ownership particle to indicate what the object belongs to. E.g. "My friend's car" Yet everywhere we see "My friend's are coming over etc"

This drives me mad. My favourite is "it's" and "its"
It's = It is.

Anyways enough of my rambling. (my spelling is not always brilliant!)

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Wed May 18, 2005 4:15 am

Hey

HAHAHAHA, I cannot spell anyways........ Alot of people know that anyways!

But I always get me when's ect mixed up!

cya

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Wed May 18, 2005 4:17 am

Quoting Ozvirginuk (Reply 35):
This drives me mad. My favourite is "it's" and "its"

You should read "Eats, Shoots & Leaves" by Lynne Truss if you haven't done so already. It's a very good book, if a little tedious at times.

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Wed May 18, 2005 4:21 am

n e 1 wurreed aboot spelling n grammer is jus wastin Oxygen
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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Wed May 18, 2005 4:25 am

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 25):
Only thing I still have dificulty with sometimes is determining when to end a word with --s, --'s or --s's. If someone can explain me this I'd be grateful.

I don't think any sane native English speaker would even THINK about criticising or thinking bad of a non-native English speaker getting his spelling or grammar wrong. I presume Wukka (thread starter) was commenting on us native English speakers!
 
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Wed May 18, 2005 4:33 am

Quoting Ozvirginuk (Reply 35):
My personal pet peeve is the over use of the apostrophe. CD's PC's etc....

That isn't poor grammar. Not any more, anyway. It's pretty much accepted that when using the plural for an acronym using an apostrophe is fair enough, quite simply because it adds to clarity.

It's important to remember that so called "good" grammar is a moveable feast. As I've mentioned before, the oft-ridiculed "For Sale: Banana's, Orange's, Apple's" signs sometimes seen outside a greengrocer may well be appalling grammar when viewed nowadays, but 100 years ago, it was correct. Things change, and the use of "CD's" is an example of that.
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Wed May 18, 2005 4:41 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 40):
outside a greengrocer

Hey Banco, I know you brits have your specialized stores and all, but shouldn't you get your bananas at a yellow grocer, and your oranges at an orange grocer...? In fact, you'd need three different stores just to accomodate all the varieties of apples out there. crazy 

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Wed May 18, 2005 4:46 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 41):
Hey Banco, I know you brits have your specialized stores and all, but shouldn't you get your bananas at a yellow grocer, and your oranges at an orange grocer...?

You mean these things come in different colours?  Wow! God, you Americans are so bloody decadent...  Wink
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Wed May 18, 2005 5:00 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 42):
You mean these things come in different colours?

"That's right, yeah."

"You get it from a green grocer, and it goes with Gin & Tonic."

"And it's yellow."

"Yes."

"I fink I got it."

"Well, fank God for that."

"It's a grapefruit."
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Wed May 18, 2005 5:11 am

You put grapefruit with a gin and tonic? You're a sick individual aren't you?  Wink
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Wed May 18, 2005 5:15 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 44):
You put grapefruit with a gin and tonic? You're a sick individual aren't you?

Yes to part two, but the quote is from "Alas Smiff and Jones." I don't care for G&T's; more of a beer, wine, single malt kinda guy.

Logan
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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Wed May 18, 2005 5:50 am

Here's a common one:

"know/now"

It seems that "K" gets left off quite a bit.
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Wed May 18, 2005 6:02 am

My primary pet peeve is one that seems to be more recent - the use of "u," "b4," "r," etc. as substitutes for "you," "before," or "are." True story - a friend of mine was a teaching assistant in an English 101 section at USC this year. She stated that approximately 1/4th of her students used "IM Shorthand," as I'll call it, in papers that were to be submitted.

Other assorted pet peeves:
-"Two/too/to"
-The saying is "TOE the line," not "TOW the line." I'm getting rather sick of seeing the latter used as it is incorrect.
-Improper use of punctuation when used in conjunction with quotation marks
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Logan22L
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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Wed May 18, 2005 6:08 am

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 47):
She stated that approximately 1/4th of her students used "IM Shorthand," as I'll call it, in papers that were to be submitted

I'd fail the lot of 'em. The world is totally screwed.

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RE: Grammar / Spelling Peeves

Wed May 18, 2005 6:12 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 48):
I'd fail the lot of 'em. The world is totally screwed

*nod* Which is precisely what she did - any use of IM Shorthand resulted in an F on that paper. Needless to say, her students got the message after the first assignment was return to them. She did, however, offer an "extra credit" assignment to replace that grade at the end of the year since they learned their lesson.
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