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Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 1:18 am

Girl has guts.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/05/19/pregnant.student.ap/index.htm

A few things. The Catholic Church claims to be "pro-life", but then bans this girl, even though she obviously shouldn't have gotten pregnant. But the Church acts embarrassed by such things.

Second, why was she banned, when the father of the child was ALLOWED to graduate, and wasn't punished as well. And the Church wonders why women think they're treated unfairly inside the confines of the Church?
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 1:27 am

I don't understand why they wouldn't let her graduate. Even if one disagrees with premarital sex, you still have to admire someone who will still stick it out and work towards graduation.

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
when the father of the child was ALLOWED to graduate, and wasn't punished as well.

That's just too far beyond screwed up. Sends a very bad message to women from the Catholic church.
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 1:27 am

Thanks for posting this story, Falcon. The link is missing an "l" at the end:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/05/19/pregnant.student.ap/index.html

Great story. It has all the elements I like. A hypocritical church, a gutsy real-life person who stands up for her rights, and police escorting her and her family from church. Unbelievable. They needed a police escort FROM CHURCH. crazy 

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Second, why was she banned, when the father of the child was ALLOWED to graduate, and wasn't punished as well.

You forget, Falcon. The church is run by hypocrites. duck 

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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 1:28 am

You're right, if they were absolutely sure who the father was, he should not have been allowed to participate in graduation.

BTW, that link doesn't seem to work, so if anyone wants to view:

Go to http://www.cnn.com/education ... currently it's a link under "MORE NEWS" on the upper right hand side of the page.


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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 1:29 am

"Second, why was she banned, when the father of the child was ALLOWED to graduate, and wasn't punished as well. And the Church wonders why women think they're treated unfairly inside the confines of the Church?
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Do you expect anything better from the Catholic Church? I'm not surprised at all...and I'm so glad I never went through Confirmation.
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 1:36 am

Good for her! I find this policy of kicking pregnant teenagers out of school stupid anyway. IMO they should get help with e.g. daycare, so that they can finish school and get a job. This will prevent them much more from becoming a liability to the social welfare system than denying them professional education.
I know of a case within my circle of friends, where a then 15 year old girl got pregnant. Both her family as well as the school helped (her mother and an aunt with babysitting and money), so that she could finish and graduate and then do an apprenticeship.
Also I agree in holding the father rsponsible as well. Ok, he should be able to graduate as well, but the moment he has a profession and earns money, he´s got to pay for his child. I also think that while he doesn´t earn money yet (due to going to school) the child support he is supposed to pay should come from the government, but once he earns money, he will have to pay it back.
(I had a similar agreement with the German government during my adult´s apprenticeship as aircraft mechanic. For the duration of the apprenticeship the government paid my ex-wife, but once I started earning money, I paid it all back. This way the government actually saved money, since instead of an unqualified unemployed living of welfare, to who´s child support the government would have had to supplement, it enabled me to get a qualified job, where I´m not just able to support my daughter fully, but I also contribute to the social security system by paying my dues into it).

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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 1:46 am

What a surprise, another thread bashing the Catholic Church. In the surrealist world of Non Av, any post slightly critical of the gay agenda or other liberal causes is a capital offense. Yet, malicious posts against the Church are more than welcome.

As far as the article goes, this brave girl was banned for "safety reasons." For sure, we don't really know what happened with this girl, but here all seem ready to blame the Church. Hate at its best.
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 1:52 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6):
Hate at its best.

No, hypocrisy at its best - again, why wasn't the father similarly banned from the graduation exercises?
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 2:01 am

"malicious posts against the Church are more than welcome. "

I'm not partial; Catholicism, Judaism, Islam, Branch Davidianism, Hale-Bop Comet-ism...they're all different manifestations of the same thing and they're all f*#ed up. More importantly, I don't accord any one of them more respect than the other.
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 2:03 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6):
this brave girl was banned for "safety reasons."

Safety for/from what? Pregnant girls have marched before... Seems more like safety from getting the image of the Catholic church tarnished. I mean, gosh, they have a pregnant girl in their school? Someone's going to hell for sure for that one.  Yeah sure
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 2:08 am

But her mother and aunt were escorted out of the church by police after Cosby headed back to her seat.

Did anybody notice this? I find that very bizzare.
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 2:19 am

Good for her! Nothing better than the church getting shown up for being a** holes!!
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 2:22 am

I wonder how sexy she looked in the Catholic school girl uniform knocked up and all.



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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 2:23 am

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 10):
But her mother and aunt were escorted out of the church by police after Cosby headed back to her seat.

Did anybody notice this? I find that very bizzare.

They were on the Department of Homeland Security's "No Graduate List".
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 2:56 am

This is a private school and they can have their own rules as obnoxious as they are. They were not denying her H.S. degree but making her pay 'pennance' for her 'sin' of getting pregant. I would assume that this ceremony would have included a full mass and was required for her to take communion. However, while she commited a sin of Adultury in effect, she could have gone to communion - something between her and God and not requied to publicly state she did - and therefore been eligable to participate fully in the ceremony/mass.
What would have they done if they found out she got an abortion. Probably refered her to the local bishop for excommunication. The guy also 'sinned' and if he is publicly acknowleged as the father, then they should have excluded him and his family if they excluded her.
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 3:18 am

"I wonder how sexy she looked in the Catholic school girl uniform knocked up and all."

Probably a lot like Britney Spears.
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 3:28 am

A Former friend of mine got his girlfriend (at the time) pregnant, and then broke up with her... at this time, him and his mom were living with the girl and her mom, mooching off of them... Well, When he found out she was pregnant, him and his mom packed what shit they had, and moved to florida... COWARD!!!!
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 4:22 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6):
What a surprise, another thread bashing the Catholic Church. In the surrealist world of Non Av, any post slightly critical of the gay agenda or other liberal causes is a capital offense. Yet, malicious posts against the Church are more than welcome.

As far as the article goes, this brave girl was banned for "safety reasons." For sure, we don't really know what happened with this girl, but here all seem ready to blame the Church. Hate at its best.

Malicious posts against Catholics, Protestants, or Jews are more than welcome. Don't diss other religions (especially Islam) or you'll be flamed without mercy.

Since it is a private school they have the right to ban anyone they wish from attending school functions. No one would be complaining if it was a school for atheists who banned a student because they became a Christian or a school for homosexuals who banned a student because they were no longer going to live the homosexual lifestyle.
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 4:24 am

from their web-site.


http://www.saintjudeschool.com/academics.aspx


Non-discriminatory Policy
St. Jude admits students of any race, sex, national origin, age (in accordance with state law), religion, and special conditions (if, with reasonable accommodations, the school can provide appropriate educational services) to all the rights, privileges, programs, and activities generally accorded or made available to students at the school.


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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 4:35 am

Quoting B757300 (Reply 17):
No one would be complaining if it was a school for atheists who banned a student because they became a Christian or a school for homosexuals who banned a student because they were no longer going to live the homosexual lifestyle.



There goes B757300 again. I'm pretty sure he won't be back, as he endorses a hit and run concept in threads where he makes ridiculous comments.
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 4:36 am

Don�t think this would work in a German private Roman-Catholic school. The Catholic layety would be up against the administration within hours (German Catholics have a rebellious reputation, especially on topics like birth control, celebacy and abortion).

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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 4:53 am

Quoting B757300 (Reply 17):
No one would be complaining if it was a school for atheists who banned a student because they became a Christian or a school for homosexuals who banned a student because they were no longer going to live the homosexual lifestyle.



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 19):
There goes B757300 again. I'm pretty sure he won't be back, as he endorses a hit and run concept in threads where he makes ridiculous comments.

no no, i agree with him entirely. because see the atheists and the homos know truly that once you're in...you're always in. just like the former New Jersey governor. you volunteer for a beer run during rush week....
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 5:07 am

Bullshit Flag  redflag 

She's pregnant, and shouldn't be of course, but she met the prescribed objective for graduation.

And talk about hypocritical . . . letting the Father graduate . . .

In case the Catholic Church has forgotten - it takes TWO . . . the young lady didn't get pregnant by osmosis.
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 5:13 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 22):
the young lady didn't get pregnant by osmosis

Maybe it was an "Immaculate Conception." rotfl 

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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 5:24 am

While I'm not religious, I am willing to acknowledge the rights of private schools to have policies that reflect the values of the school.

For example, while I don't agree with the policy, I can accept that a Catholic school can kick a student out of school for getting pregnant and/or getting someone pregnant. What I don't accept is the hypocrisy of it. The policies and rules need to be administered uniformly and fairly. I can't fathom why the father was allowed to participate in the graduation. Is the church/school actually saying that the girl's crime was "looking pregnant?" There was a thread a few weeks ago about a teacher that was kicked out as well for being pregnant before she got married, and in that situation the rules were applied fairly. The rules should apply to administrators, teacher, and students (both boys and girls.)
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 5:29 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6):
but here all seem ready to blame the Church. Hate at its best.

If you actually read the original post, and my response, you'd see that the initial outrage was at banning her and not the father... not the Church.

Quoting Greyhound (Reply 9):
Safety for/from what?

I don't know the physical plant of the school, but one thought that came to my mind is the possibility that the school doesn't have an elevator. This might have created a "safety issue" if the girl began having difficulty walking stairs.
Also, there may have been a "safety issue" involving the girl's mental health if other students were being cruel towards her. Guys may be able to shrug off teasing, but almost every lady I know can remember one time or another when she was tormented by a "mean girl" and really hurt.
I hesitate to question the school's definition of "safety issue" without knowing all of the facts.


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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 5:31 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6):
In the surrealist world of Non Av, any post slightly critical of the gay agenda or other liberal causes is a capital offense.

Wow, talk about your extreme exaggerations. Do you really believe the things that you write? Maybe this forum seems liberal compared to your own hard-core neo-conservative lifestyle, but to me it seems relatively even-handed, and I live in Jesus Land.

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6):
Yet, malicious posts against the Church are more than welcome.

I'm starting to get the feeling that the Church can do no wrong in your narrow view of the world.

Quoting B757300 (Reply 17):
Since it is a private school they have the right to ban anyone they wish from attending school functions.

Agreed. However, this is still a case of disgusting hypocrisy. Also, thanks to bible-thumping politicians, society at large will soon be helping to pay for these narrow-minded hypocritical schools with ever more public tax dollars. That, in my opinion, is just plain wrong.

Quoting B757300 (Reply 17):
No one would be complaining if it was a school for atheists who banned a student because they became a Christian or a school for homosexuals who banned a student because they were no longer going to live the homosexual lifestyle.

Do you honestly believe that? Heck, if nothing else you and SFOMEX would do your darnedest to raise hell till the cows came home if something like this was the next topic. Besides, I can't recall any atheist or homosexual schools that collect public tax dollars. Are there even any such schools to begin with?
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 5:35 am

Quoting Redngold (Reply 25):
don't know the physical plant of the school, but one thought that came to my mind is the possibility that the school doesn't have an elevator. This might have created a "safety issue" if the girl began having difficulty walking stairs.
Also, there may have been a "safety issue" involving the girl's mental health if other students were being cruel towards her. Guys may be able to shrug off teasing, but almost every lady I know can remember one time or another when she was tormented by a "mean girl" and really hurt.
I hesitate to question the school's definition of "safety issue" without knowing all of the facts.

That was a weak, weak argument. So since every lady you know has been tormented by a mean girl that no girls should be allowed to participate in graduation?

Standby one second while I check your profile. Okay, you're older than I thought you would be, but I didn't expect such sexist drivel from a woman.
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 5:38 am

Quoting Sacflyer (Reply 27):
but I didn't expect such sexist drivel from a woman.

I know what you mean. I think Redngold just pushed women's rights back about 40 years.

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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 5:53 am

Sacflyer & Logan,

What the h*ll are you talking about?  flamed  I'm talking about real life issues. I'm talking about real sensitivity. I have absolutely no idea why you think I'm being sexist even towards my own gender.

Explain to me why I am pushing back women's rights by speaking truth to the fact that girls treat each other cruelly and that a school might realize that this is dangerous to the one who takes the brunt of the cruelty. I'm only trying to think the way the school did, trying to figure out why they might have taken that action, even through flawed logic.

I KNOW that most pregnant women are capable of continuing activities such as climbing stairs, doing chores, going about their normal business, right up until actual labor and delivery. But not every woman is able to do that. I do not know the exact situation here.

I am not excusing the school for taking what even *I* consider an unjust action. Yes, those are weak arguments, but it's YOU who need to get a grip and realize that I am only theorizing!  irked 


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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 5:56 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6):
this brave girl was banned for "safety reasons."

This is all very exciting!!! Is she perhaps carrying the antichrist and the graduation was the time and place of it's birth. Boom....fallen teenager gives birth to antichrist and the Catholic church is forced to atone for the misery it has caused for centuries.

Or maybe the girl (except for a chance one night stand) was very unpopular and a few of the locals were going to teach her a lesson by dumping a pail of pig blood on her. She suddenly unleashes her fury by moving furniture about through telekinetic means and then turns the gymnasium into an inferno.

In either case, they were right to ban the girl for "safety reasons".
 
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 6:04 am

I graduated from a Catholic high school and the rule was that if you were visibly pregnant you couldn't take part in graduation activities. So if you had a child already, you could cross the stage. It was completely about how the school looked,not any Christian ideology. I always thought it was crappy rule. I don't know of anyone it ever applied to though.
 
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 6:09 am

Quoting Redngold (Reply 29):
What the h*ll are you talking about?



Quoting Redngold (Reply 25):
Guys may be able to shrug off teasing, but almost every lady I know can remember one time or another when she was tormented by a "mean girl" and really hurt

Is what I'm talking about. You are stating that men can take it and women cannot. Last I checked, that wasn't a philosophy of the women's rights movement. Nothing personal, I just think that it portrays women as rather helpless, when the woman who is the subject of this thread proved that she is anything but.

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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 6:25 am

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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 6:41 am

Logan,

If you want to argue about gender differences in bullying, there's a different place to do that. I'm only trying to figure out possibilities, no matter how flawed they are.

And girls aren't helpless against bullying. In any case, the fact that bullying exists and that it hurts - ACROSS gender - doesn't have anything to do with women's rights.


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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 6:48 am

Quoting Redngold (Reply 34):
the fact that bullying exists and that it hurts - ACROSS gender - doesn't have anything to do with women's rights.

It most certainly does, because any agenda suffers from the "give 'em an inch, they'll take a mile" philosophy. I'm not saying that I believe that women shouldn't have equal rights if they are perceived as unable to handle bullying, but the Women's Rights AGENDA cannot accept that position. The AGENDA knows that if people see women as different from men in terms of how they can handle life's issues, then they've lost. Sad, but that's pretty much how everything is.

Quoting Redngold (Reply 34):
If you want to argue about gender differences in bullying, there's a different place to do that

The Non-Av forum seems good enough to me. Wink

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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 7:00 am

If you want to misinterpret my comments, then start another thread. *sigh*
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 7:06 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6):
What a surprise, another thread bashing the Catholic Church.

Stow it dude. Your right-wing whining is getting boring. I'm not attacking the Church on a broadside, dude, but this is patently unfair. The Church believes in the sanctity of life, and that we're all sinners, am I correct? She made an error, but is going to give birth. Instead of punishing her because of some age-old dogma by a bunch of celibate old men, why not let her finish her education with dignity? Why throw her on her ass? And why, then do you allow the father of the child to graduate, when he's just as responsible for this new life? It's unfair, man, and I think you know it.

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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 7:10 am

Quoting Redngold (Reply 36):
*sigh*

I'll let it go, Redngold.  Smile

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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 8:22 am

One of the very, very nice things about Catholic (and other private schools) is that they can say or do almost anything they want and not have to worry about politically correct crap.

I went to nine years of Catholic grade school and I'm now in a prep school. I found that the Catholic school teachers were much more open. For example, creationism versus evolution. We learned creationism in religion class and evolution in science class. There was no ten minute lecture about "you're entitled to your opinion", etc.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 37):
and that we're all sinners, am I correct?

Some sins are bigger than others. Its not like she forgot to go to mass on Sunday and its not like she used God's name in vain. She got herself pregnant.

I think the decision made by this school was the right thing to do. Perhaps the father shouldn't have been allowed to graduate either, but at least they stood their ground. Guess what? I think she should have been expelled. At the Catholic school near me that's what happens. And I think its great. At a lot of private schools, if the administration hears you're on drugs, they ask for a urine sample within a week and if it comes back positive, you're out. If you don't like these rules, your public school has to take you.

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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 8:31 am

I think what this school did was retarted. They kick a pregnant woman out? My mom didn't get kicked out of catholic school when she got pregnant with me!  banghead   bouncy 
 
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 9:22 am

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 39):
I think the decision made by this school was the right thing to do.

Right. Telling a young girl, just before graduation, that she won't be allowed to attend, after spending 4 years with her classmates, and won't even have her name on the roster, is the right thing to do? It was a mean-spirited, anti-Christian thing to do, not the right thing.

If she has enough credits to graduate, she should graduate. But if she can't her boyfriend shouldn't either.

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 39):
Guess what? I think she should have been expelled.

Oh, now there's an award-winning idea! Let's DENY HER AN EDUCATION BECAUSE SHE'S PREGNANT!!!! That one should be up for a reward!! Let's keep her from graduating-all because she's bringing a life into the world!

What an assinine statement.

The Church was not made for saints-it was made for sinner. And it was made for those who value life. In this case, this Catholic school blew it on both accounts.


Expel here.....great balls of fire. Unbelievable.
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 9:48 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 41):
It was a mean-spirited, anti-Christian thing to do, not the right thing.

Talk about hypocritical . . .reminds me of that Southern Baptist former Mother In Law of mine . . . I'd never seen a more hypocritical religious group . . . do what I say, not as I do . . . until this thread. It's okay, I guess to diddle little boys but you can't get pregnany???? WTF?

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 39):
Guess what? I think she should have been expelled.

Yeah, and I think a whole lot of drickin' priests ought to be in jail, not just shuffled around the church where they can't do any further harm. What hypocracy.

SFOMEX, my friend, I know you're reading this, and I'm sorry - but this is how I feel about this.

The young lady got screwed over by her school, and the Catholics, no matter how you word it . . .
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 9:48 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 41):
Let's DENY HER AN EDUCATION BECAUSE SHE'S PREGNANT!!

Oh, you can get an education. Just not at that school. Go to the public high school.

Let's say I go to a Mormon school and I refuse the mission I am expected to go on. What do I expect to happen? Isn't it reasonable for me to be expelled since I no longer conform to the religious views of my school?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 41):
The Church was not made for saints-it was made for sinner. And it was made for those who value life. In this case, this Catholic school blew it on both accounts.

Yes, but what kind of sinner?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 41):
And it was made for those who value life.

How does this girl "value life"? She got pregnant when she was 18 (give or take), and I doubt the child will have a stable homelife. If she valued life she wouldn't have gotten pregnant until she was able to better provide for her children.

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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 9:54 am

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 43):
Oh, you can get an education. Just not at that school. Go to the public high school.

I'd like to tell you where to stick your arrogant, prissy attitude, but I've been banned enough lately.

She should be allowed to graduate with her class. She didn't commit a crime, she made an error, and for the school to thus punish someone like that is unconscionable. It tells me that school doesn't believe a life is a precious as the Church teaches.

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 43):
Yes, but what kind of sinner?

All sinners. On of Christ's most devout followers was a prostitute after all, in Mary Magadalin. Any more questions.

Again, your prissy attitude makes me want to upchuck.

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 43):
How does this girl "value life"?

Hello McFly? I don't know-gee, SHE DIDN'T GO GET AN ABORTION, DID SHE?? You need to wake up a little my friend.

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 43):
If she valued life she wouldn't have gotten pregnant until she was able to better provide for her children.

And left to stuck-up's like you, she wouldn't be able to provide for this child, because you'd kick her out of freaking school and onto the street.
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 9:56 am

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 43):
How does this girl "value life"? She got pregnant when she was 18 (give or take), and I doubt the child will have a stable homelife. If she valued life she wouldn't have gotten pregnant until she was able to better provide for her children.

WHOA NOW!! I must crack down here on the bullshit-o-meter. I was once in a similar position myself- as a fetus. This girl could have just got an abortion and be done with it, its possible that no one would even know about it. And now she can't graduate for her school. To put the cherry on top, you say that she doesn't value life. Let me tell you something, buddy. My b-mother valued life enough to bring me into this world, and then put me up for adoption to have this 'stable' life you talk about. Sure, both of these people might say they made a mistake, but to say the gal doesn't value life is asinine.

As for the whole situation...what a moronic school.
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 10:09 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 44):
Hello McFly? I don't know-gee, SHE DIDN'T GO GET AN ABORTION, DID SHE?? You need to wake up a little my friend.

Big deal. You don't get any recognition at all for not being a murderer.  Yeah sure

This girl no longer fit the educational requirements as set by her school. I'm sure the school's handbook stated that pregnant students would not be allowed to graduate. Actually, if it were like most Catholic high schools, it would state that the student should be expelled. So, the principal was just cutting her a break.

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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 10:16 am

Just to give some context on this matter.

As you could read on my profile, I'm a High School teacher in a Catholic school. Last year we faced a really similar situation, when one of our seniors got pregnant. She was quite open about this with the school, letting them know that she intended to continue studying her last year despite her pregnancy.

The school's answer? We are glad that you are keeping your baby; by all means feel free to ask for our help during your last year with us. She had her parents support, the principal's support and her classmates support.

Of course, as a Catholic School in the midst of our conservative country is not like we were happy for the whole incident. But in a Christian perspective, I think our principal made the right decisions. We are loyal to Catholic teachings regarding pre-marital sex, yet it was far more important for us that she was brave enough to choose life over the easy way out: an abortion.

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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 10:18 am

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 46):
Big deal. You don't get any recognition at all for not being a murderer.

Yes, and you can't be said to have respect for life, can you? This girl obviously does. She could have taken an easy, LEGAL way out by terminating the pregnancy, but perhaps that Catholic education she got, the one you wanted to pull out from under her feet because of a MISTAKE, told her that she made an error, and she needs to own, not abort that error, and treat one of God's children inside her belly with love and respect?

But you, in a quandry of faith, can't seem to see that. You like at the sin, then want to punish the sinner. Do me a favor-leave the punishment to the Lord, when this girl is judged, not to a priss like yourself, and certainly not to this up-tight school.

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 46):
This girl no longer fit the educational requirements as set by her school.

Had nothing to do with educational requirement, mate. It had everything to do with stuck-up, confused values of some Catholics who on one hand, want people to give live value before birth, as this girl did, but who will not forgive a mistake when a young person, like many young people, make such a mistake. I don't have that quandry. You obviously do.
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RE: Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban

Fri May 20, 2005 10:28 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 48):
Had nothing to do with educational requirement, mate

It did. If you are pregnant, you will face repercussions at that school. Easy as that.

Let's say I go to a Mormon school and I refuse the mission I am expected to go on. What do I expect to happen? Isn't it reasonable for me to be expelled since I no longer conform to the religious views of my school?

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