norcal
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Ford Escape? A Lemon?

Sat May 21, 2005 1:59 pm

A friend of mine is looking at a used Ford Escape. I've done a little research on the car and found that there seem to be some consistent problems. Mostly brake issues, but also things like the transmission and excessive rattling. From what I have gathered from consumer reports it seems like most problems occur at 40,000 miles (when the warranty expires  Wink) However, I have also seen some very good reviews for this car too.

Whats the deal, is the Ford Escape a lemon? If so, why?
 
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RE: Ford Escape? A Lemon?

Sat May 21, 2005 2:04 pm

I know plenty of new Fords that suffer from excessive rattling. I thought it was just a sign of declining quality across the board. I will concede that Ford probably still makes a decent pickup but I don't know anyone with one of their cars that doesn't report silly problems that the dealers are either unwilling or unable to resolve.

I haven't seen many Escapes around. I thought they were small and rather ugly, even by SUV standards. Aside from the hybrid model that I have only heard about I am honestly shocked they have sold any of them at all.. I mean talk about lousy engineering, you can see the friggin rear halfshafts when you are behind one at a stoplight.
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norcal
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RE: Ford Escape? A Lemon?

Sat May 21, 2005 2:06 pm

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 1):
I know plenty of new Fords that suffer from excessive rattling. I thought it was just a sign of declining quality across the board.

I hear you there, that is why I drive a Toyota
 
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RE: Ford Escape? A Lemon?

Sat May 21, 2005 2:39 pm

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 1):
Aside from the hybrid model that I have only heard about I am honestly shocked they have sold any of them at all..

I don't think those ship to dealerships until this fall or late summer...

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 1):
I know plenty of new Fords that suffer from excessive rattling. I thought it was just a sign of declining quality across the board.

Yeah, if you're in the market for a light/car-based SUV, I'd go with the Toyota RAV-4 or Honda CRV.

Quoting NorCal (Thread starter):
Whats the deal, is the Ford Escape a lemon? If so, why?

I've heard it to be an average vehicle, off the top of my head, I think Consumer Report placed it in the middle of the pack. There are better offerings in this category, but if it's got the styling and price you want, I wouldn't hold back.
 
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RE: Ford Escape? A Lemon?

Sat May 21, 2005 3:21 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):
I don't think those ship to dealerships until this fall or late summer...

The dealership had a couple on the lot the last time I had warrently work done on my truck.
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RE: Ford Escape? A Lemon?

Sat May 21, 2005 4:10 pm

Avoid the earlier ones: 2000-2002 models; they had serious reliability issues. The more recent models are a lot better and Consumer Reports gives them a midpack reliability ranking, although they don't recommend the Escape or its Mazda Tribute and Mercury Mariner siblings because a test Escape lifted its wheel in a CR cornering test, suggesting it might be moderately prone to rollover.
 
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RE: Ford Escape? A Lemon?

Sat May 21, 2005 4:21 pm

"because a test Escape lifted its wheel in a CR cornering test, suggesting it might be moderately prone to rollover."

It doesn't take a very skilled driver to get any SUV to lift a wheel off the ground... I wouldn't put too much weight on that test result.
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RE: Ford Escape? A Lemon?

Sat May 21, 2005 10:17 pm

As the old sayings about Fords go:

Fix Or Repair Daily
Found On Road Dead
F'ked Over Rebuilt Dodge


I've only owned one Ford (1990 Ford Taurus) and the in the two years I owned it, I put almost as much into in repairs as I paid for it (Paid $3600 for it, spent close to $3000 in repairs). On the other hand, my father has had a Ford Ranger for over 10 years, has well over 150,000 miles on it, and has had little to no problems with it at all.
 
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RE: Ford Escape? A Lemon?

Sat May 21, 2005 11:02 pm

Just the Escape a lemmon?

ALL Fords are lemmons!
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RE: Ford Escape? A Lemon?

Sun May 22, 2005 12:13 am

I'd never heard of the Ford Escape, but just did a Google.

It certainly looks a lot like it's British cousin, the Land Rover Freelander. Do those sell in the USA?

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RE: Ford Escape? A Lemon?

Sun May 22, 2005 12:24 am

Freelanders do sell in the US, yes.

I drive a 2005 Ford Escape Limited and have had it for 15,000 miles now. Havent had any problems at all and theres no rattling to speak of. Its a very solid vehicle actually. I remember when I first got it how I would marvel at the fact that the interior is very quiet, even over rough roads, and not one squeak or rattle could be heard.... Not so in the Explorer Sport. Quality on this model is up from previous Ford SUV's, trust me. The interior is very solidly put together with high quality materials (the styling might be a little bland for some), and the exterior fit-and-finish is top notch. Before this I had a 2001 Explorer Sport and before that we had a 1996 Explorer Sport. This new platform is about 10 million times better.

We thought so much of the Escape, we leased two. My mother drives the other one.
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RE: Ford Escape? A Lemon?

Sun May 22, 2005 12:44 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 7):
As the old sayings about Fords go:

Fix Or Repair Daily
Found On Road Dead
F'ked Over Rebuilt Dodge

I'm waiting for my first Ford family car to be delivered...well new one anyway. I had an Orion for a while, second hand, and drove hundreds (literally) of Ford fleet vehicles, but it's the first time I've ever bought one brand new.

A Mazda BTW
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RE: Ford Escape? A Lemon?

Sun May 22, 2005 1:17 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):
I don't think those ship to dealerships until this fall or late summer...

They've been out since last fall. At least, that's when I test drove one.

Quoting AvObserver (Reply 5):
Avoid the earlier ones: 2000-2002 models; they had serious reliability issues

I agree with this. Get a 2003 or newer. The original Escapes were plagued with recalls and such.. much like the Focus was. Both the Focus and Escape have come a long way since their introduction. The problem with the brakes (similar to the Focus and Expedition) is that Ford started using low quality brake pads and rotors that prematurely wore out. Escapes and Foci were needing complete brake services before 20K. I don't know for sure if this problem has been corrected.
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RE: Ford Escape? A Lemon?

Sun May 22, 2005 1:27 am

Quoting MD11LuxuryLinr (Reply 12):
The problem with the brakes (similar to the Focus and Expedition) is that Ford started using low quality brake pads and rotors that prematurely wore out.

That's not just a Ford issue. My current GM vehicle, an Astra, needed new brakes at 7,000 miles and all new wiper blades at three months old!

An absolute joke on a new car.
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RE: Ford Escape? A Lemon?

Mon May 23, 2005 5:22 pm

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 9):
I'd never heard of the Ford Escape, but just did a Google.

It certainly looks a lot like it's British cousin, the Land Rover Freelander. Do those sell in the USA?

Actually they sold the Ford Escape for a brief period in the UK as the Ford Maverick (Mk II). Also a Mazda version too. I don't think either are sold any more.

Although Land Rover is part of Ford these days, the Freelander has no common parts as far as I'm aware.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 11):
I'm waiting for my first Ford family car to be delivered...well new one anyway. I had an Orion for a while, second hand, and drove hundreds (literally) of Ford fleet vehicles, but it's the first time I've ever bought one brand new.

A Mazda BTW

What are you getting Whitehatter - a Mazda 3 or 6 ?? (or an RX8  Smile ).You should have a nice car there which ever you're getting. My other half got a Mazda 3 in March and so far we are very happy with it. My family have had a history of Mazdas in the past, and none of them have ever had any problems with them at all.

Certainly expect less problems than on a Vauxhall. I had an Astra rental car while wating delivery of my Audi last year, and even though it had done very few miles, the tracking was completely out and there was a terrible judder through the sterring over 60 mph - made motorway driving hard work.
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RE: Ford Escape? A Lemon?

Tue May 24, 2005 6:43 am

Last year, my father picked up a 2004 Escape. Other than getting a flat tire last November, that's been about it that I'm aware of in terms of repairs. He's driven it on some long trips (500-600 miles) fairly often.
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RE: Ford Escape? A Lemon?

Tue May 24, 2005 6:47 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 14):

What are you getting Whitehatter - a Mazda 3 or 6 ??

Mazda 3 1.6 TS Activematic (hence the wait...got about another 6 weeks before delivery)

I think the RX-8 is probably one of the best looking cars on the road today, but hopeless for my needs!
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RE: Ford Escape? A Lemon?

Tue May 24, 2005 6:57 am

The Taurus is not a good example of Ford but Ford still makes the best cars and trucks in the world.
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RE: Ford Escape? A Lemon?

Tue May 24, 2005 8:24 am

Quoting MD11LuxuryLinr (Reply 12):
They've been out since last fall. At least, that's when I test drove one.

Stateside??

They must be in low production or something because I have yet to see one despite actively looking...

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
Anyone who has owned or owns a LTD/Crown Victoria

I think the Dallas Police would beg to differ  Wink

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My main gripe about Fords is their cabin fittings. Not a fan of their control layouts, gauges, or trim.
 
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RE: Ford Escape? A Lemon?

Tue May 24, 2005 8:49 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 18):
Stateside??

Yup.. In the northeast US at least.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 18):
They must be in low production or something because I have yet to see one despite actively looking...

I've seen two total. I just saw my second one 3 days ago on I295 in Jersey. There isn't much demand as you can imagine. Not many people want to spend 30 grand for a 4cyl Escape that gets it's best MPG in the city. Highway MPG (if the same as the other full time gas 4cyl Escapes) is less than a 200 horsepower 6 cyl XLT would get. Who would want that?
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RE: Ford Escape? A Lemon?

Tue May 24, 2005 4:54 pm

A lot of negative buzz about Fords is undeserved, at least in the last few years. They've had quality problems but so have other domestic and even some foreign makes, notably BMW and Mercedes. Much of Ford's quality problems in the last ten years resulted from former CEO Jack Nasser's cuts in quality control programs to cut costs in the wake of his massive mid-90s acquisition binge that brought Jaguar and Volvo, among others, into the fold. Current CEO William Clay Ford has been trying to turn that around for several years and Consumer Reports' reliability surveys show his efforts are working with big improvements in both the Focus and Escape rankings. The '04 Mustang was ranked as the most reliable model in CR surveys and the Explorer is also much improved from when it was redesigned for the '02 model year. Still, there's work to be done; the Expedition and the F-150 still fare rather poorly in the surveys and the Lincoln Navigator had the worst ranking of all vehicles. The jury is still out on the new Five Hundred/Montego sedans and the Freestyle crossover wagon; these models are critical for a Ford sales comeback and poor first-year quality like that which plagued the outgoing Taurus with its last full redesign, ten years ago, would be a disaster for these new models, already selling somewhat below expectations. Nevertheless, I'd have no major trepidations about buying another Ford, even though I'm aware there are better overall brands out there.

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