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Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 3:00 pm

Well guys I have till June 12th to make a decision and sign that peice of paper that makes you property of George W. Bush. Either I sign by 11:59P June 12th or have to take the ASVAB Test again .....

Any Suggestions??? Pro's/Con's ??? I'm only 19 and I realize this will change my life dramatically.... It can either turn me into the right path for a career or the right path for death?

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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 3:04 pm

If you join the military, you will only be doing one thing.

If you believe that the military drops bombs on innocent defenseless civilians just trying to make their own ways in life and shoots up women and children just for fun, then the military is probably not for you.

Conversely, if you believe that every bullet fired is fired to protect democracy, and that all war that the US starts is for that same purpose, then the military is probably the right path for you.

Does that help?
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 3:07 pm

I can't tell you whether or not to join the US Army, that's your call . . .

But I can tell you I did that in 1977 and stayed for 24 years. I had an awesome career, went to some great places, and not so great places, and met thousands of people all over the world. It was a tremendous ride that I'd gladly do all over again.

You're right . . . it will change your life . . . and if you give it a shot, as did I, it will be a change for the better. It will be what you make it though. And it won't always be cream cheese and gravy . . . . no job is that.

If you'd like more info on things, let me know . . . . I'm 4 years in to my retirement . . . still stay up to speed with things . . . .

If you decide to go, good luck . . . .
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 3:28 pm

Joining the Army is a very personal thing....don't let your relatives make the decision for you.

Looking back on it, I think I joined for several different reasons, chance to get away from home, lack of planning in HS for college, not sure what I wanted to do out of high school ot begin with. Didn't even take a full enlistment term to decide that wasn't it.

Which is fine. I do have some good memories of being in the service, and more then a couple of times a year I start wondering if getting out was that bright of an idea. But I wouldn't recommed that just anybody join.

Give any thought to being a weekend wonder? As in the Guard or Reserve? Another idea would be to seek out a shorter term enlistment, I think they still do 2 year ones for some MOS's. Give you a shorter time to figure out if that is what you wanted to do.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 3:36 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 3):
Give any thought to being a weekend wonder? As in the Guard or Reserve? Another idea would be to seek out a shorter term enlistment, I think they still do 2 year ones for some MOS's.

Guard or Reserve is also an option as L-188 points out . . . that said, remember that half the troops currently deployed in various Theaters of Operation today are Guard or Reserve. . . .

Doesn't matter what the term of enlistment might be - you will sign up for 6 years initially . . . . how those years are disbursed is a different story . . . 2 could be active, 3 could be active, 4 could be active, all 6 could be active. The balance remaining will be in the Inactive Ready Reserve, from which one may be recalled in a time of war. Regardless, the initial hitch will commit you to 6 years total time. Don't let that scare you though, as I said . . . only a portion of it will be active.

And listen to L-188 . . . joining the Army is an extremely personal thing. hence the fact I didn't answer you yes or no on your initial question.

It's your call. Good luck . . .
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 4:00 pm

Thanx Guys!!!

This is the most positive advice I've received from anyone.... everyone keeps telling me not to go because of the war and that I should go to college instead.... Even though college is almost always the right path... I'm young have no kids and no commitments.... I have a g/f but she's been real supportive about it.

I know the decision is up to me and so far it looks like im going.... Only thing I'm really scared of is actually leaving Philly.... it would be the first time to leave for such a long time but I know you have to experience new things in life and this is my chance......

For me it's not about the money but it has more to do with the oppurtunities that I can take advantage of in the ARMY. Although no one wants to die, I rather die fighting for a country that has always taken care of me than being murdered in the streets of philly for no reason.......

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
If you'd like more info on things, let me know . . . . I'm 4 years in to my retirement . . . still stay up to speed with things . . . .

When you have the time can you E-Mail with a list of pros/cons and what I should expect in basic training and after basic. I would really appreciate it!
 

My recruiter already answered most of these questions but Its always good to get a 2nd persons opinion that's been in the ARMY.

[Edited 2005-05-24 09:01:24]
 
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 4:07 pm

Ask yourself..Are you willing to risk your life for your country and your fellow soldiers on the front line? Are you capable of killing your enemy that tries to kill you? Also, ask yourself, why are you doing this option? Do you want to be a hero where you live going to war? Do you want a good education? Or perhaps, if you work in the aviation field, medical, or admin, will it be worth the experience for another career if you serve your term or retire? Or, did you just join the Army becuase they'll give you a $20,000 sign up bonus? People join for obvious reasons. Personally, I signed the contract and gave my life with the U.S. Navy when I was 17 years old, prior to entering my senior year in high school. I had all my paperwork submitted, got my GUARANTEED job, my bonus, and my score submitted and all I had to do was wait a year to finish up high school then enter Navy life to basic training.

Make sure now you ask EVERY small questions about the Army to your recruiter becuase most recruiters I know, are liars. They just want you to sign the contract, that's it. Make sure you get a guarantee job, (depends on your ASVAB) bonuses, (have it in writing with an official U.S. Army seal on it) and such. You still have some time to research and if you get the time, talk to some guys who are in the Army and ask them questions. A good site is www.military.com. They have a forum where you can ask questions.

Anyway, I hope I haven't left out some pertinent information, but as an NCO, I'm here to help you. Whatever you choose, it's really up to you. Good luck, soldier! Godspeed.

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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 4:08 pm

No. You only get one life, don't waste it.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 4:12 pm

Quoting USAir330 (Reply 5):
When you have the time can you E-Mail with a list of pros/cons and what I should expect in basic training and after basic. I would really appreciate it!

Check your mail . . .
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 4:22 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
Doesn't matter what the term of enlistment might be - you will sign up for 6 years initially . . . . how those years are disbursed is a different story . . . 2 could be active, 3 could be active, 4 could be active, all 6 could be active. The balance remaining will be in the Inactive Ready Reserve, from which one may be recalled in a time of war. Regardless, the initial hitch will commit you to 6 years total time. Don't let that scare you though, as I said . . . only a portion of it will be active.

Correction, but you enlist for 8 years, not six. The mix could be 2/6 3/5 4/4 6/2.

But you are correct, and I would also add that DEP time is also counted toward that 8 year enlisment. In my case I signed up in April of 91, and was discharged officailly in 99.

But I went to basic in september of 91 and out out in 94. The rest of that time was in IRR.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 4:35 pm

The army is a great choice if you have any idea what career path you
want to follow.

I see you want to someday be in ATC. Does your ASVAB score qualify
you to enter that MOS. If it does, and that is really what you want
to do I would go for it.

Dont make the mistake I did. I had no real direction, and all I wanted to
do was get out of my boring regular life ASAP. My ASVAB qualified me
for just about every MOS except combat since women were not allowed.
If I could have waited a couple of months I could have gone into what
I wanted. Since I wanted to join ASAP and not wait I had 3 options:
cook, something having to do with bombs and the last sat coms which
is what I chose.

I did enjoy my time in the military and I learned more than I could of
on the outside.

I was in during the first Gulf War time so I do not know how much the
rules have changed. If your ASVAB is a little short of what you need
for what you want to do, its ok to take it again to try and improve
your score.

Make sure you get everything in writing from the recruiter. There is
a lot of paperwork but make sure you read everything, and I mean
everything before you sign. Also find out, if you do join and for
some reason you do not pass the muster in the job you have chosen
where you will be assigned. You do not want to start school for ATC
and end up being a cook for 4 years because you washed out of the
program.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 4:42 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 7):
No. You only get one life, don't waste it.

The point is to waste one life that is in the hands of a fundameltalist war monger from the US.
Do something senceful with your life
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 5:06 pm

Quoting Nonrvsmdmf (Reply 10):
The army is a great choice if you have any idea what career path you
want to follow

Actually like I said before one of the reasons why I joined right out of high school was that I didn't have any idea what I wanted to do and thought maybe I could figure out what it was while in the service.

Quoting Nonrvsmdmf (Reply 10):
The army is a great choice if you have any idea what career path you
want to follow.

You know, I don't think I agree with that. While there are may jobs that relate to civilian jobs, the military often doesn't provide the same certifications that the civilian world requires.

If I had to do it all over again, I would have probably picked something more "fun" rather then technical in nature.

One of my biggest regrets is that I never drove a tank or had another MOS with greater access to artillery or machine guns. Paid the same as my MOS but hey at least I could have said, "I used to do that"

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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 5:14 pm

Quoting Nonrvsmdmf (Reply 10):
The army is a great choice if you have any idea what career path you
want to follow.

I knew early on - before high school - that I wanted to join the Army. So my only choice was . . . what shall I do in said Army. I saw a tank once, at a recruiting shindig. I was sold.

Of course, what they didn't say was, for every day the damn thing moves, you spend three hours fixing it. . . not, of course, with the new Abrams, but this was an old M60A1. . . .

It was only after I had been in the Army a few years and got the big gun thing out of my system, that I came to realize I still had no plan for the future. I went to college . . . paid for entirely by the Army . . . and after a few years, got my degree. . . and it's in a career field in which I'm currently employed . . .

So, even if you don't know right away what you'd like to do 10-20-30 years on, it's still a decent place to hang your hat for a few years.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 5:42 pm

Yea join the army...if you have a deathwish, want to loose your identity, want to "get away" from any life you want and family, want terrorists shooting back at you, want a guy screaming in your face for making a simple mistake, having to eat sh.t for 30 years and cant choose or complain about it.
lol go ahead..I know I wont be.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 6:03 pm

Planespotterx And you base this opinion on what experience???? Given your 16-20 year old age group - you've not been properly laid yet . . . how the hell do you make this call?

I absorb JGPH1As opinion because he's a veteran on this board, and makes intelligent posts, and has fact to back up his theories; I respect his opinion. I disregard #12 entirely because he is anti-Everydamnthing . . . he hates anything to do with the US, and anything to do with life . . . he is a non-factor.

Your post is irrelevent . . .

Irrelevent in that you don't even have 30 years on this planet with which to base your inane and definitely incorrect assessment of military life. Irrelevent in that you cannot and have not been afforded an opportunity to serve any country, even your own, because you're still milking elsewhere.

I don't begrudge a persons educated opinion. . . I do laugh at those such as yours borne of complete ignorance. When you grow up. . . . give is a call . . .

Regards. . . .
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 6:06 pm

Of course that decision is yours...just gather as many facts and opinions as possible, and decide accordingly.

Personally, I highly respect those who serve in our armed forces. I spent 6 years on active duty with the Air Force, and do not regret any part of it.

I'm sure ANCFlyer is giving you some good info to help you decide, as he devoted so much of his life to the military.

Best to you however you decide.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 6:29 pm

The are obviously pros and cons. I was in the Air Force and I remember when I used to come home all my friends were doing the same old things. In the forces you get to experience things that money can't buy. Those experiences can make you a better person and definately more worldly wise. I don't regret the time I served one bit and most other ex-servicemen will say the same.

As for the Army, it depends what you are going to do. I can see no attraction of being in the front line being shot at. Cannon fodder is no career IMO. However there are a number of jobs that are much more appealing and have the bonus of giving you a trade for when you eventually leave. You should really use the Army for your own benefit. I don't mean that selfishly but to use the Army as the basis of your career through life. You will give back plenty in exchange as you serve.

By joining up you will learn more about yourself than you would by taking an 'easier' option. It's worth a go.
 
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 6:40 pm

Quoting Saintsman (Reply 17):
In the forces you get to experience things that money can't buy.

Hmm, like getting blown up, shot at, maimed, all the while being yelled at and humiliated (by your own side !), and all for an incredibly low salary ! Yeah, sounds like a smart career choice to me. I did military service too, and it is nothing to write home about.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 7:18 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 18):
Hmm, like getting blown up, shot at, maimed, all the while being yelled at and humiliated (by your own side !), and all for an incredibly low salary ! Yeah, sounds like a smart career choice to me. I did military service too, and it is nothing to write home about.

Never happened to me, but we used to send the officers to fight. The salary was okay. I could afford to buy my own house and run a new car with a wife and two kids in tow.

JGPH1A, did you volunteer or were you conscripted? There's a big difference if you want to join up of your own accord.
 
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 7:26 pm

Quoting Saintsman (Reply 19):
JGPH1A, did you volunteer or were you conscripted?

Conscripted, but I don't see how that makes a difference to the overall experience. Career professionals also get blown up and yelled at by morons. It's a military tradition.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 8:54 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 18):
Quoting Saintsman (Reply 17):
In the forces you get to experience things that money can't buy.

Hmm, like getting blown up, shot at, maimed, all the while being yelled at and humiliated (by your own side !),

JGP, good answer. But we see: when you are working for forces, you learn for life.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 9:10 pm

Dont do it, dont do it, dont do it!!!!!!!!!!

You´ll end up in Iraq and get youre head blown off thx to GWB who didnt give a f*** about UN and the WMD they never found.....that big liar!!

Do something useful of youre life and screw the army!

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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 9:56 pm

Quoting USAir330 (Thread starter):
Well guys I have till June 12th to make a decision and sign that peice of paper that makes you property of George W. Bush. Either I sign by 11:59P June 12th or have to take the ASVAB Test again .....

You will not be the property of, but under the ultimate command of the President. Should you join you would be much more concerned about the Staff Sergeant that will be your squad leader.

Quoting USAir330 (Thread starter):
Any Suggestions??? Pro's/Con's ??? I'm only 19 and I realize this will change my life dramatically.... It can either turn me into the right path for a career or the right path for death?

ANC doesn't feel comfortable saying yes or no...and to a degree I don't either. I will say that, from looking at your profile, you and I seemed to be at the exact same place while making the decision. I was working at the Dominos Pizza in Tucker Georgia while attending High School and was looking for a way to do something interesting, that would help with school, but more importantly be of some service to my country. I had been all over and seen what we had versus what else was out there and I thought we had it pretty good, and I should do my part.

Other than Solnab-zero (and if you look at 3000+posts with a RR of 5 you should get an idea of how much stock to place in his opinion) the previous posts are a fair description. You will go to interesting places, and to boring places...you will meet terrific people and idiots.....you will be paid very little, but have a set of invaluable experiences that will pay off down the road.

The Army is not for everyone...none of the Armed Services are. You have to be willing to subordinate yourself for the greater good of your team/unit and the most important things in your life will become the guys around you.

In the Army you can choose the job you want, and there are plenty. They are offering pretty decent bonuses, but thats not the reason to join. If you go you will be participating in the process and defending your country....no matter what you will hear from some people. There have always been the people lined up to protest any form of military and have always called soldiers names.

If you do join remember a few things.......#1 There is nothing in your initial training that your leadership will ask of you that they have not already done, and it is definitely possible. #2. Basic training is all in your head. Decide that you can do it and they will develop you to reach the level of fitness required. #3. DO NOT TAKE ANY OF IT PERSONALLY. Basic training is all about putting stress on you and trying to make you crack. They will call you names and make you do pushups, and they will make you rush through meals and make your bunk....and everything has a purpose. None of it is designed to be personal, and if you keep that in mind everything will be much easier.

Its pretty much all in your head. Remember that its not such a big thing and that you can do whatever task has been laid out in front of you.
Remember that there is more than the US Army....you've got the Air Force (my nephew just joined and will be shipping out in September) the Marines, the Navy, and even the Coast Guard is vital and demanding.

Feel free to email me with questions.

Quoting Saintsman (Reply 19):

JGPH1A, did you volunteer or were you conscripted? There's a big difference if you want to join up of your own accord.

This is true. Volunteers have a different perspective because they wanted to be there and had to jump thru hoops to do it.

Quoting Planespotterx (Reply 14):
Yea join the army...if you have a deathwish, want to loose your identity, want to "get away" from any life you want and family, want terrorists shooting back at you, want a guy screaming in your face for making a simple mistake, having to eat sh.t for 30 years and cant choose or complain about it.
lol go ahead..I know I wont be.

That's ok, pumpkin.......they probably would have rejected you for physical inability anyway....provided you could get past your terrible fears and stayed dry during the recruiting interview. Don't worry though....someone else will take care you and your family and keep you safe. It's ok.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 9:57 pm

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 1):
If you believe that the military drops bombs on innocent defenseless civilians just trying to make their own ways in life and shoots up women and children just for fun, then the military is probably not for you.



Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 1):
Conversely, if you believe that every bullet fired is fired to protect democracy, and that all war that the US starts is for that same purpose, then the military is probably the right path for you.

DLKAPA - when you grow up, you'll realize that nothing in life (other than your child's love) is absolute and clear cut - particularly nothing as complex as whether or not to join the military.

USAIR330 - there are pro's and con's to every decision in life. You're becoming a man and only you can decide what is best for you. However, be mindful that with decisions come consequences (good and bad). There are plenty of people who have found rewarding challenging careers serving in the armed forces around the world. There are also people who have joined and hated it.

The simple reality of life is that there are no guarantees. We all take risks every day. Though the death of anyone is a tragedy to their family, you must keep things in perspective. The US alone has over 40,000 deaths a year in automobile accidents. This is more than 20 times the number of soliders lost in the entirety of the Iraqi invasion.

Best of luck in your decision. May God bless you and protect you wherever you path takes you.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 10:01 pm

Quoting DL021 (Reply 23):
2. Basic training is all in your head. Decide that you can do it and they will develop you to reach the level of fitness required. #3. DO NOT TAKE ANY OF IT PERSONALLY. Basic training is all about putting stress on you and trying to make you crack. They will call you names and make you do pushups, and they will make you rush through meals and make your bunk....and everything has a purpose

Has anyone ever discovered what that purpose actually is ? Seems like a load of bollocks designed to make the sub-neanderthals in charge feel like the Big Man On Campus. They put all this spin on it about "breaking you down and building you up again" but I don't recall much "building up" going on. More like a bunch of high school drop outs with parental issues relieving their pent up psychosis and trying to compensate for their small nobs.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 10:07 pm

Forget the Army, GO NAVY


As others here have said, it is your choice. Get all the facts and opinions you can then make YOUR choice. I enjoyed the six years I was active Navy, seen the world and learned a trade(electronics). The friends I made on the ship I will never forget. Just with everything in life there is good and bad in the military. However, everyone that I know who served in any branch is glad they did.

It seems to me that most (except JGPH1A and he was drafted(very big difference)) who say that it is a mistake, didnt serve. Kind of hard to base a opinion on something that you have never done. (like a man giving his opinion on childbirth)


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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 10:09 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 25):
Has anyone ever discovered what that purpose actually is ? Seems like a load of bollocks designed to make the sub-neanderthals in charge feel like the Big Man On Campus.

Two things....

1. The stress that is placed upon you in basic training is as close to combat as you will get with a person who is being thrust into a new life. They load you up and then get you to execute your mission, ignoring or dealing with the stress. They want you to be exacting in your training so that you will react immediately to combat situations and do so properly without having to wonder.

2. Attention to detail. They will force you to minutely examine everything so that once you are out in the force you will automatically pay more attention to things than civilians. Attention to detail when dealing with explosives and countless other dangerous things will be the difference between accomplishing the mission and coming home, or failing at your mission and getting hurt/dying because some asswipe was not paying attention and screwed something up.

The possibility exists, also, that you were a conscript in a seriously grim Army where the drill instructors took everything seriously due to the siege mentality and the nearness of their own combat experiences. The RSA Army was certainly no walk in the park, judging from my experiences with Recces in a couple of training situations. The attitude of someone who has joined voluntarily is certainly different than that of the conscript, as has been proven in the US Army.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 10:15 pm

The military can open up doors for people, and it can be a great vehicle for learning a skill that can be used in civilian life, if you choose to leave the military.

But, personally, I would be hesitant to join with the current administration in power. This administration seems to think threatening people with force comes before diplomacy. We saw that in Iraq. I would have no problem fighting a war as we did in Afghanistan. I could never have, in good conscience, agreed to fight in Iraq for a war that I think we were unwarrented in starting.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 10:22 pm

Quoting DL021 (Reply 27):
The possibility exists, also, that you were a conscript in a seriously grim Army where the drill instructors took everything seriously due to the siege mentality and the nearness of their own combat experiences.

Actually it was the SAAF, and the drill instructors probably hadn't come any closer to combat than a bar brawl, but they were psycho fascists every one of them. Siege mentality ? OHHH yes - we got weekly propaganda lectures about the communist threat from Bishop Tutu, and how the Cubans wanted to murder us all in our beds, but you could rip the piss out of that pretty easily - a polite but firm question or two at the end could shatter their pitiful arguments comprehensively  Smile

Basic training was a complete and utter waste of time - I ended up as a Telecoms Operator and the only danger I came anywhere near was heatstroke if the aircon in the signal office broke down (the signal office was ALWAYS air-conditioned, regardless of whether anywhere else on the base was - to preven the crypto equipment from overheating  Smile ). I spent a year on the border in Namibia, and the only gunfire I ever heard was our own security guards practising COINOPS round the base. All pretty pointless really.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 10:24 pm

This is an aviation forum -if you want to go to the military join the Air Force.
Besides as an "Airman" your chances to be send to combat missions in Iraq or Afganistan may be lower then with the Army.

I had a great time in the Army, but since it was the German Army, I had not too much to worry about being send to combat missions.......as a American or British person I would think twice to join the Army. The risk of being send to combat missions would be too high for me, but everybody has to see for himself if he is willing to take that risk, I just can say for myself that risk is not worth taking.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 10:33 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 25):
Has anyone ever discovered what that purpose actually is ? Seems like a load of bollocks designed to make the sub-neanderthals in charge feel like the Big Man On Campus. They put all this spin on it about "breaking you down and building you up again" but I don't recall much "building up" going on. More like a bunch of high school drop outs with parental issues relieving their pent up psychosis and trying to compensate for their small nobs.

Boot Camp makes you realize that everything you do has a reason for doing it a certain way and if you dont people may die. The training you get also shows you that you can do things that you never thought you could do. I never thought I would go into a burning space(room for you landlubbers) to fight an fueloil fire but I did and learned the value of training and my shipmates that day.

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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 10:52 pm

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 31):
The training you get also shows you that you can do things that you never thought you could do. I never thought I would go into a burning space(room for you landlubbers) to fight an fueloil fire but I did and learned the value of training and my shipmates that day.

There's a difference between training you to do an actual, useful job, like fighting fires, and just making you do shit and brasso water pipes because the guy in charge is a vindictive asshole. Blind obedience to morons is not my thing, and I don't give a shit how useful that might be in the military. I just won't do it.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Tue May 24, 2005 11:40 pm

Before joining the Army might I make a suggestion, rent either Black Hawk Down, Apocalypse Now or Full Metal Jacket and those films will help you decide wether thats the right thing you want to do lol.
Sure it might be "Hollywood" but its as close to joining the Army as your gonna get (and more realistic than the military Brouchures say.)
If you want to join the Army/Navy/RAF (or USAF in the US) then fine go, I have no problem with people being in the armed services, what I do hate is when people come home after serving 15 years in a war-torn area and then sue the state for "Trauma", i mean WTF its war..its what the job is to kill people and be shot at, your being trained as a killing machine, what did the people expect..roses and chocolates.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Wed May 25, 2005 12:44 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 29):
and how the Cubans wanted to murder us all in our beds

I would bet that the Cubans (a) would have loved to do so, merely as a vent for their anger at being stationed in Angola in the first place and (b) were bitching the same way you are about being drafted and forced to serve at the whims of some NCO they were predisposed to hate. They ran out of volunteers for that mission after the first tour. Plus..the communists wanted to take over the RSA....look at all the support they gave the ANC and others. Not really blaming the ANC for taking the money or arms, they took help from anyone who would help, but they were being influenced by them.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 29):
a polite but firm question or two at the end could shatter their pitiful arguments comprehensively Smile

I think I see where you may have been less than invisible and perhaps drew some wrath of the NCOs with questions. A key to being successful in basic training is to do what is required while staying unnoticed.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 29):
Actually it was the SAAF

Oh, in the States they drafted mainly into the Army, and the USAF was always volunteer, for the most part.

Quoting Columba (Reply 30):
Besides as an "Airman" your chances to be send to combat missions in Iraq or Afganistan may be lower then with the Army.

Don't be too sure. They are taking airmen that were assigned to non-combat duties and putting them through training to be convoy escorts in order to supplement the Army and Marine units performing those duties.

Quoting Planespotterx (Reply 33):
Apocalypse Now or Full Metal Jacket

Nothing to do with reality. Good movies, but highly sensationalized and totally unrealistic. You want a good war movie......there really isn't one. Blackhawk Down portrays one particular mission that will probably not be repeated, but does come close to the most intense type of urban combat you may see, but if you really want to get the real scoop go and volunteer at the nearest VA hospital and speak with the veterans. They'll tell you the real deal.

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 26):
Forget the Army, GO NAVY

GO ARMY, Beat Navy!

Quoting Pope (Reply 24):
he US alone has over 40,000 deaths a year in automobile accidents. This is more than 20 times the number of soliders lost in the entirety of the Iraqi invasion.

Now, theres some perspective.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Wed May 25, 2005 12:55 am

One other reason for all the "chicken shit" stuff in Basic Training . . .repetition. Once a skill is learned to a certain standard and metod of performance, the brain will more or less automatically recall how to do this skill when the crap hits the fan . . .

Nooooo, JGPH . . .I'm not talking about brassoing the piping under the sinks . . . I'm talking about reaction to certain stimuli - incoming artillery for example. Teach it, repeat it, repeat it, repeat it, it will become automatic.

I of course spent five years training troops - being one of JGPH1As sub-Neanderthal like Drill Sergeants (pretty cool description  biggrin . I think I'm prettywell versed on - at least the Army version - Basic Training.

The old "tear you down and build you up" theory. To a degree, that's correct. What we tore down, speaking for myself anyway, were the artificial borders everyone had when they arrived . . .be it race, religion, size, education, etc. The idea was to start everyone at ground zero and build them in to a team. I can't tell you how utterly satisfying it was after 15 weeks to watch 66 troops from all walks of life, from all over the country, every kind of religion, education level, age, race, suddenly moving and acting as a team without regard to the aforementioned. THAT is the breaking down and building up . . .

Another thing . . . I don't give a hoot in hell if you're going to be a Telecom Chief, Cook, Medic, Tanker, Chopper Jockey, whatever . . . in basic training you learn all the combat crap you need to be basically trained to survive. . . .

Remember this, once the crap hit the fan, EVERYONE is an infantryman . . . everyone . . . so you better know how to shoot, maneuver, cover, shoot again . . .
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Wed May 25, 2005 1:05 am

I'm going to teach you all to walk, talk, eat, shoot, shit, like United States Soldiers.

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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Wed May 25, 2005 1:10 am

If you're smart, Go Air Force!!!!

At any rate, whatever you decided you will be admired and respected by Americans like myself. Despite what the insignificant eurogarbage like numbertwelve and solnabo say, the folks back home will always appreciate the service of the men and women in uniform. I wish you much luck.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Wed May 25, 2005 1:13 am

I find it interesting that while the "Americans" are holding a somewhat intelligent conversation regarding military service, an European chimes in with some uneducated statement about getting your head blown up in Iraq because GW is the president.

Military service is a HIGHLY respected profession. If it WEREN'T for a strong US military presence throughout the world, we might have been eating with our fingers, with food cooked on a fire in front of our cave.

I don't agree with everything, in fact the majority the administration (and this isn't just GW) has done, but I was raised to have respect for those who work in the the military.

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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Wed May 25, 2005 1:37 am

Falcon84 is also making ignorant statements about force before diplomacy and GWB being a bad guy in need of a spanking UAL747

I guess those 12 years weren't enough diplomacy.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Wed May 25, 2005 1:53 am

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 38):
an European chimes in with some uneducated statement about getting your head blown up in Iraq because GW is the president.

No generalizations please while accusing others of being simplistic. Hardly anyone, Europeans included, takes Solnabo's rants seriously, and #12's stance on the US administration is wellknown. I respect JGP a lot, and like him and others, I wouldn't suggest the thread starter to join the army right now if asked directly. Only difference is that I, who doesn't know USAir330 and never joined the army, didn't want to express my opinion - until I read your post. In your rave you didn't even notice that no one put the respect the military enjoys in the US into question.

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 38):
. If it WEREN'T for a strong US military presence throughout the world, we might have been eating with our fingers, with food cooked on a fire in front of our cave.

Sorry?
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Wed May 25, 2005 1:57 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 36):
I'm going to teach you all to walk, talk, eat, shoot, shit, like United States Soldiers.

Signed

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 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 

I would lay serious money that there was more than one platoon that, at the end of training, called cadence to a well know commercial that everyone in the US over the age of 30 has seen! I know I would have!!!  Big grin Big grin devil   devil 

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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Wed May 25, 2005 2:26 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 41):
I would lay serious money that there was more than one platoon that, at the end of training, called cadence to a well know commercial that everyone in the US over the age of 30 has seen! I know I would have!!!

Would have been worth every single pushup!

There was a time we Drill Sergeant's were specifically prohibited from running our platoons within a 4 block radius of the Commanding General's quarters (#1) at Ft. Knox (MG Brown) . . . apparently, more than one of us had called some cadences with fairly colorful metaphors that Mrs. Brown and her teenage daughter found a bit offensive.  eek 

Of course, I would never have done such a thing . . .  ziplip  innocent  guilty 
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Wed May 25, 2005 2:47 am

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 26):
Forget the Army, GO NAVY

Not to spite ANCFlyer or anyone else here in the Army (or even my own dad and his brothers, for that matter), but why does it have to be the Army? If you're up for combat, then the Army (or even Marines) would, of course, be the way, and you'd also learn something that you could carry into civilian life. But if you want the technical training (which you could get in the Army) but have (most likely) less subjection to combat experiences, then there's always the USAF or USN.

That said, though, if you do join the Army, it's not at all a bad thing.

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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Wed May 25, 2005 3:22 am

Quoting Planespotterx (Reply 33):
Before joining the Army might I make a suggestion, rent either Black Hawk Down, Apocalypse Now or Full Metal Jacket and those films will help you decide wether thats the right thing you want to do lol.
Sure it might be "Hollywood" but its as close to joining the Army as your gonna get (and more realistic than the military Brouchures say.)

Be careful about drawing conclusions from Hollywood. Most of their attitudes aren't in line with reality, particularly when you take a historical piece (And Nam flicks count) and compare them with the reality of today.


Drop Apocalypse Now from that list, it isn't realistic.

I would only watch the 1st half of FMJ, the part where they are in basic, Nam and the current military are not comparable.

Replace it with "To Hell and Back" which is the Audie Murphy story, he plays himself. It is a 50's movie but it does delve into the reasons why he went in.

Actually add in Band of Brothers also.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Wed May 25, 2005 3:39 am

I can only reiterate what ANCflyer and DL021 and such have said. Joining the military is a personal decision. I am currently only a NROTC student, but in about a week, I deploy to the USS Arleigh Burke, for my summer training. So then I will see what it is like for men in my chosen profession. I didn't join the Navy because there were no other options, heck, I scored 1390 on the SAT's and only missed one question on the ASVAB. I joined because of my love for this country, and the want to protect all I love here at home. Some may take issue with GWB's foreign policies, and tell you not to join because of those. I can only say, if you don't want to see combat, don't join. But in the end, it is a personal decision. And don't listen to anyone who says not to join the Army because you will only be cannon fodder. There is almost nothing more honorable than an infantryman, or a tank driver, or anyone else who is willing to stare death in the face to protect something he stands for.

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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Wed May 25, 2005 3:43 am

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 40):
Quoting UAL747 (Reply 38):
an European chimes in with some uneducated statement about getting your head blown up in Iraq because GW is the president.

No generalizations please while accusing others of being simplistic. Hardly anyone, Europeans included, takes Solnabo's rants seriously, and #12's stance on the US administration is wellknown

Lol, wellknown - great  Wink NoUFO, what do you think about a government who lied and killed more than 100,000 people ?
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Wed May 25, 2005 4:00 am

This is how I went by my decisions whether or not to go to university:

Do you genuinly want to join the US Army, or is it just another option?
 
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Wed May 25, 2005 4:04 am

Do what you want as far as going into the Army. I would go Air Force myself.
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RE: Should I Join The US Army?

Wed May 25, 2005 4:19 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 7):
No. You only get one life, don't waste it.

Waste it? Please, you obviously don't know anything about the U.S. military and what it offers to those who serve. If you are comparing your own country and the type of service you did I would imagine that it did suck as an experience to you as compared to serving in the U.S. military.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 20):
Conscripted, but I don't see how that makes a difference to the overall experience.

You are joking right?

USAir330, what ever you decide do not listen to this foreigner. Service to one's country (the U.S.) is highly admirable. I thank all those who serve and I owe a tremendous debt to all those who have fallen. The U.S. military is the most professional armed service in the world and no countries military compares to it. If at a future time you decide to leave the military a lot of what you get from serving does indeed flow to the civil sector particularly skills and leadership.

Good luck in your decision.
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