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Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 8:51 am

I saw a blurb on CNN news earlier that Syria had terminated military and diplomatic ties with the US today.

I have never been a fan of the Syrian government, and believe that when the former leader, Haffez el Assad, passed on and his son came to power, the situation became worse.

That said, here's a source, there doesn't appear to be too much on the news on something I consider fairly important. Syria's assistance in the middle east is not necessary vital, but useful. I await your opinion and thoughts.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/24/us.syria/index.html
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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 8:58 am

BOMB THEM BOMB THEM BOMB THEM!!!

This is a threat to the very fabric of freedom and therefore must be destroyed and a new regime to replace the old corrupt dictatorship.
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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 8:58 am

I didn't know there were ties!
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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 8:58 am

Diplomatic ties as well? I heard they're not too happy about the allegations against them concerning support for terrorists and hence they ended military and intelligence cooperation. Which hopefully means no one captured by US forces will be taken to Syria for "interrogation" anymore.
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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 9:12 am

"We're not saying we will not do this anymore," Moustapha said. "We are saying that this is not happening today because of this state of affairs between us and the United States." He added, "We are trying to tell the United States we are willing to engage with you constructively. We want a good relationship with you, but you have to stop this unfair media campaign against Syria, because we think it is unfair and it is unconstructive."

It appears that Syria does not completely understand the ways of the US. The government does NOT control the media. The government CANNOT stop any form of US media from airing or publishing stories of its choosing (see First Amendment - Freedom of the Press). If Syria thinks the US gov't is controlling the media and can turn it on and off like a light switch, then they're going to be waiting a looooong time.
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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 9:14 am

It appears the Syrian government didn't take steps to stop attackers from crossing the border. The majority of captured terrorists indeed came from Syria, and we are talking about big numbers, here. April and May, some 70 attacks took place in Iraq - every day!

Quoting Aloges (Reply 3):
Which hopefully means no one captured by US forces will be taken to Syria for "interrogation" anymore.

That's right. However, I have the feeling that IF the US plans to attack Syria one day, the administration will emphasise the atrocities that took place in Syria's prisons.  Yeah sure
Unfortunately there are more despots that will probably be happy to give the US intelligence a hand in exchange for better relationships.
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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 9:18 am

This could be the beginning of the end, no more peace in the Middle East!  Wink
 
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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 9:23 am

Looks like we won't even have to play Pin the Tail on the Dictator to pick our next target!  Smile
 
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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 10:46 am

There is Peace in the middle east??? Where?

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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 11:38 am

I guess the big question for Dubya & Haliburton is ... How much oil do they have in Syria ????
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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 11:48 am

Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 9):
I guess the big question for Dubya & Haliburton is ... How much oil do they have in Syria ????

Some... but not much. Small by Arab state and international standards.

Q- If Bush' motive was oil, ask yourself why we didn't invade a politically unstable Venezuela which would have been much easier to subjugate and inject their resources into our economy?

A- We aren't invading Iraq, Afganistan, or Iran, or Syria for oil. We're doing it for the fledgling hope of establishing a democracy that wouldn't be amiable to the radicalization in the Middle East.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 3):
I heard they're not too happy about the allegations against them concerning support for terrorists and hence they ended military and intelligence cooperation.

Much more likely is the U.S. support for Lebanon after the assasination of former Prime Minister Al-Hariri, that appeared to be linked to Syria. That's was about as big of a diplomatic slap as one could deliver...
 
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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 11:55 am

No, it was for WMDs that did not exist. Did you forget that already?
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Wed May 25, 2005 12:00 pm

Quoting David b. (Reply 11):
Did you forget that already?

Did you really think that in the first place?
 
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Wed May 25, 2005 12:03 pm

Thats what Bush has been for feeding us, so yes, that is what the American people were told. Since, WMDs could not be found, the warmongers have to change their stories.
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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 12:05 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 10):
Q- If Bush' motive was oil, ask yourself why we didn't invade a politically unstable Venezuela which would have been much easier to subjugate and inject their resources into our economy?

I wouldnt be so sure of that. Venezuela is a perfect locale for a guerilla war. The nationalism is there. The drug money is there to fund the rebels. The peaceful demonstrator types in Caracas can march up and down the streets chanting "Yanqui go home!"

If the Americans were to occupy Venezuela, everyone pro-Chavez would join the resistance, and the anti-Chavez elite who would be put into power would be hated by the public as American puppets.

Saddam Hussein was hated by everyone. Iraq has no nationalism, no jungles, no drug money, no rebel spirit. Iraq is much easier to occupy than Venezuela would be.
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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 12:09 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Thread starter):
I saw a blurb on CNN news earlier that Syria had terminated military and diplomatic ties with the US today.

I think its just the cooperation in the war on terror, and its probably as much because of the recent ops near the Syrian border as it is the Lebanese issues.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Thread starter):
Syria's assistance in the middle east is not necessary vital, but useful

Not terribly useful, and rather inconsistent. More show than substance.
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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 12:24 pm

What I saw was the text traffic at the bottom of the screen on CNN . . . it did specifically say military and diplomatic ties . . . however, that's not playing now, and there is nothing new to show.

I'm still convinced - even though Syria and Iraq have never been particularly friendly - they have played a larger role in the Iraq conflict than can be proven.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 10):
Much more likely is the U.S. support for Lebanon after the assasination of former Prime Minister Al-Hariri, that appeared to be linked to Syria. That's was about as big of a diplomatic slap as one could deliver...

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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 12:52 pm

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 1):
BOMB THEM BOMB THEM BOMB THEM!!!

This is a threat to the very fabric of freedom and therefore must be destroyed

Dude.Take a chill.
I'm jewish,pro-Israel, and even that they are ''enemies'' to us, I don't want them to be bombed.That's not the best way to fix problems.That's the ultimate solution, not the primary one.Think that there are 17,000,000 people living there, and a lot of children that have no reason whatsoever to die for a regime that don't even know.
I've been in Israel, and saw what a Bomb does.Even here in Argentina we had that big Bomb in 1994 that killed 86 people, 4 blocks away from my house, and it threw me out if my bed and shattered all the windows in my house.That wasn't cool.
Never went to a place were you see limbs all over?.Well, I did.And again, it is not good, my friend.
Like I said, war is the ultimate way of solving problems.Not the primary one.

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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 1:13 pm

DFW dude, You really believe this don't you ...

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 10):
A- We aren't invading Iraq, Afganistan, or Iran, or Syria for oil. We're doing it for the fledgling hope of establishing a democracy that wouldn't be amiable to the radicalization in the Middle East.

Wake up dude...
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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 1:24 pm

Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 18):
Wake up dude...

You have yet to PROVE otherwise.

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Wed May 25, 2005 2:37 pm




So another middle eastern state decided they wanted to take their ball and leave our playground. Yeah, I give a shit. Syria was such an ally before, what will we ever do without them?  sarcastic 

So does this mean they will stop being a conduit of contraband into Iraq?
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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 3:38 pm

Quoting ACAfan (Reply 2):
didn't know there were ties!

Neither did I, I figured there where back door contacts but I didn't think we where actually on speaking terms since the 1980's.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 10):
Much more likely is the U.S. support for Lebanon after the assasination of former Prime Minister Al-Hariri, that appeared to be linked to Syria. That's was about as big of a diplomatic slap as one could deliver...

I think we have a winner there.
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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 4:04 pm

*Disclaimer* * Am very tired, don't give a sh*t at the moment...*

I'll say glass the middle east. Take care of all our problems. And the resulting fallout will handle the population control problems of SE Asia.

Ok, being more serious here, this really doesn't mean all that much to me. I could've swore we never had any kind of ties to Syria in the first place. Far as I'm concerned, I think we should have some very active patrols on their border with Iraq. Might help solve some insurgent problems...

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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 5:43 pm

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 4):
The government does NOT control the media.

Recent events again prove, ad nauseum, that the government can indeed control the media and the public opinion when it sees fit.
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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 9:02 pm

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 1):
BOMB THEM BOMB THEM BOMB THEM!!!

Don't have enough from the stupid Iraq war? It's not Nintendo! You're talking about people's lives. So respect their lives as you do respect the lives of Americans.

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Wed May 25, 2005 9:41 pm

Quoting Iakobos (Reply 23):
Recent events again prove, ad nauseum, that the government can indeed control the media and the public opinion when it sees fit.

Really? Can you cite a specific occurence when the US government CONTROLLED the media? Or is that just what you would like to believe?
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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 9:53 pm

Quoting NumberTwelve (Reply 24):
Don't have enough from the stupid Iraq war? It's not Nintendo! You're talking about people's lives. So respect their lives as you do respect the lives of Americans.

Unbeleavable!

It was sarcasm, #12, nothing else. Settle down, dude.

Quoting Iakobos (Reply 23):
Recent events again prove, ad nauseum, that the government can indeed control the media and the public opinion when it sees fit.

LIke what? I haven't seen any "recent events" that prove the government controls the media. If such were the case, Bush would not be getting any of the negative press he's been getting lately, nor the GOP in Congress.
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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 11:18 pm

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 22):
I'll say glass the middle east. Take care of all our problems. And the resulting fallout will handle the population control problems of SE Asia.

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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 11:27 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 5):
It appears the Syrian government didn't take steps to stop attackers from crossing the border

Reminds me of Pakistan  Smile

Quoting Ozair (Reply 6):
This could be the beginning of the end, no more peace in the Middle East!

There was never peace in the Middle East.
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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Wed May 25, 2005 11:38 pm

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 17):
Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 1):
BOMB THEM BOMB THEM BOMB THEM!!!

This is a threat to the very fabric of freedom and therefore must be destroyed

Dude.Take a chill.
I'm jewish,pro-Israel, and even that they are ''enemies'' to us, I don't want them to be bombed.That's not the best way to fix problems.That's the ultimate solution, not the primary one.Think that there are 17,000,000 people living there, and a lot of children that have no reason whatsoever to die for a regime that don't even know.
I've been in Israel, and saw what a Bomb does.Even here in Argentina we had that big Bomb in 1994 that killed 86 people, 4 blocks away from my house, and it threw me out if my bed and shattered all the windows in my house.That wasn't cool.
Never went to a place were you see limbs all over?.Well, I did.And again, it is not good, my friend.
Like I said, war is the ultimate way of solving problems.Not the primary one.

Mike

P.S: Talk to those mothers who lost their sons in irak or Afghanistan.

Concerning DLKAPA´s past on this forum I suspect that he was highly sarcastic when he made the abovementioned post.

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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Thu May 26, 2005 12:00 am

Quoting ACAfan (Reply 2):
I didn't know there were ties!

Yes, predominantly using a Windsor knot. A few bow ties and a smattering of extra wide 1970's style ties. And don't even mention the Penny loafers.
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Thu May 26, 2005 12:14 am

Quoting NumberTwelve (Reply 24):
Don't have enough from the stupid Iraq war? It's not Nintendo! You're talking about people's lives. So respect their lives as you do respect the lives of Americans.

Unbelievable that you can't recognize sarcasm even if it bites you in your ass!

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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Thu May 26, 2005 12:42 am

Severed ties between Syria and the US?

Stop the presses!!!




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Thu May 26, 2005 1:03 am

Quoting Slider (Reply 32):
Severed ties between Syria and the US?

Sounds perilous. Will Syria float away
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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Thu May 26, 2005 1:13 am

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 1):
BOMB THEM BOMB THEM BOMB THEM!!!

All Empires fall my friend, so becareful what you say now, for you may have to eat your words later.
 
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Thu May 26, 2005 1:14 am

Quoting FDXMECH (Reply 33):
Sounds perilous. Will Syria float away

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Thu May 26, 2005 1:16 am

Quoting KLMA330 (Reply 34):
All Empires fall my friend, so becareful what you say now, for you may have to eat your words later.

Hey Einstein, it's called a dictionary...look up "sarcasm". And if you keep reading, it turns out the Zebra did it.

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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Thu May 26, 2005 1:40 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 27):
We're all just hoping you never rise to a position of power or influence.

You didn't read my disclaimer. And I guess you couldn't see the sarcasm ozzing out of your screen...

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RE: Syria Cuts Ties With US . . . .

Thu May 26, 2005 3:41 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 28):
There was never peace in the Middle East.

At least after Israel was established there wasn't.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Thread starter):
Syria Cuts Ties With US . . .

Gosh darn, and they were so strong to begin with..  sarcastic 
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Thu May 26, 2005 12:01 pm

Quoting Greyhound (Reply 38):
At least after Israel was established there wasn't.

Reply 38, wow, took you long enough.


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Thu May 26, 2005 5:02 pm

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 25):
Really? Can you cite a specific occurence when the US government CONTROLLED the media?

Since it is off topic I will not elaborate, it might be worth a thread on its own.

Let's say that your media single source of information in the conscientiously and efficiently orchestrated build up from summer 2002 to March 2003 has been the White House.
Where do the WMD come from ? the anti-French/anti-Chirac ? anti-UN inspectors/anti-Hans Blix ? anti-UN/anti-Koffi Annan ? patriotic/anti-patriotic ?
Did you pay attention to foreign tv, radio, newspapers before forming a personal opinion ?
Was there a voice in the US media that conveyed something departing from the official line (aka that would have dared to say something different) ?

Nothing anti-US or anti-anything from my part here, simply I do know that government organized propaganda can work and at times is even necessary, eg when a fully supportive public opinion is a sine qua non condition for the government to embark on a (normally unpopular) major endeavor.
 
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Fri May 27, 2005 12:59 am

Quoting Iakobos (Reply 40):
Did you pay attention to foreign tv, radio, newspapers before forming a personal opinion ?
Was there a voice in the US media that conveyed something departing from the official line (aka that would have dared to say something different) ?

If you had payed attention (or currently do) to the US media, you would know that the LAST thing they would do is try to advance his agenda or popularity in any way shape or form. There was far more propaganda AGAINST the war coming from the media than the government could ever put out FOR the war. All you would have had to do to notice this was to read any given headline from the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, and the majority of news media outlets in this country.

If they are for the cause that the story promotes, they word the headline to state the topic as matter-of-fact first, then who or what said it. This tends to make the readers more inclined to accept it as true. Example: "Iraq Has No Weapons of Mass Destruction, Chirac Presses".

If on the other hand they are against the cause that the story promotes, they word the headline to give the reader the impression that the subject is trying to get you to believe in something, which may imply to the reader that the subject is intentionally trying to instill propaganda. Example: "Bush Insists Iraq Still Has Weapons of Mass Destruction".

So yes, there WAS a voice in the US media that conveyed something departing from the official line, and it was a HUGE voice that included most US newspapers and tv news networks. But I guess if you had paid attention to foreign (US) tv, radio, and newspapers, you would have known that they were on YOUR side before forming a personal opinion against them.
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Fri May 27, 2005 1:05 am

I watch US tv daily and the same goes for several US (web)printed sources.
I stand by my opinion that in the run up from summer '02 to March '03 every media outlet had the tiller to starboard.
Come March it was a different story.
 
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Fri May 27, 2005 1:55 am

Quoting LY744 (Reply 39):
Reply 38, wow, took you long enough.

What got your panties in a bundle? I'm not picking any sides in that brawl... but you don't seem to hear to much about jihads, suicide bombings and wars before Israel came into being. I'm just making an observation.
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Fri May 27, 2005 1:59 am

"I stand by my opinion that in the run up from summer '02 to March '03 every media outlet had the tiller to starboard."


War is good for news sales.


Then after you get the war: Unpopular wars sell more papers.
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