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Uncle Sam Buys Minivans To Replace Army Humvees

Thu May 26, 2005 3:18 am

Sweet

The U.S. Armed Forces have ordered 19,000 minivans and 5,000 Pacificas from the Chrysler Group for use as light-duty vehicles in Iraq and elsewhere around the world, displacing less fuel-efficient Humvees, according to the Windsor Star.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Articles/articleId=105726
 
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RE: Uncle Sam Buys Minivans To Replace Army Humvees

Thu May 26, 2005 3:23 am

The minivans — all gold-colored — will be built at Chrysler's St. Louis, Missouri,

YIKES!
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RE: Uncle Sam Buys Minivans To Replace Army Humvees

Thu May 26, 2005 3:25 am

Where the hell is the Urban Assault vehicle, from "Stripes"?!?!?!?!?
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RE: Uncle Sam Buys Minivans To Replace Army Humvees

Thu May 26, 2005 3:27 am

So I guess that under fire they will be totally useless...........

What a bunch of jackasses


Iraq is not the only place in the world where armored Humvees are needed
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RE: Uncle Sam Buys Minivans To Replace Army Humvees

Thu May 26, 2005 3:32 am

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 2):
Where the hell is the Urban Assault vehicle, from "Stripes"?!?!?!?!?

Or as the comedian Gallagher would call them..........ICBMW's, or InterContinental Ballistic Missile Winnebago's.  wink 

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RE: Uncle Sam Buys Minivans To Replace Army Humvees

Thu May 26, 2005 3:34 am

Not to call the article itself or anyone in here a lier, but where do they get the information? Is there a Pentagon press release corroborating this article? Seems like something of this magnitude would have been all over the U.S. mainstream media by now. I'm skeptic until I see some more proof. Sorry, clickhappy, nothing personal. But the article didn't reference any sources.

To quote the article... "a plant source"... Who, the company janitorial squad? And how many times has a story involving billions of taxpayer dollars in the U.S., dealing with the armed forces specifically, originated in Windsor, Canada?
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RE: Uncle Sam Buys Minivans To Replace Army Humvees

Thu May 26, 2005 4:31 am

These will probably be to replace Humvees in non-hostile areas and bases like in Germany, the US, Asia - not in Iraq/Afganistan. That will free up those Humvees (after an upgraded as to armor) and be sent into 'battle areas'. In the Iraq/Afgan areas of ops, they are wearing out the Humvees quickly and many are victims of accidents and terror/insurgant attacks, so they need to be replaced with other available Humvees. So why not send ones that really only are used on bases on paved roads, etc and replace them with civillian vehicles.
 
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Thu May 26, 2005 4:35 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
The U.S. Armed Forces have ordered 19,000 minivans and 5,000 Pacificas from the Chrysler Group for use as light-duty vehicles in Iraq and elsewhere around the world, displacing less fuel-efficient Humvees, according to the Windsor Star.

Not exactly a new concept. DoD buys commercial vehicles every year. Big deal....
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Thu May 26, 2005 4:39 am

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 7):
Not exactly a new concept. DoD buys commercial vehicles every year. Big deal....

And most of them Chrysler/Dodge vehicles, which if memory serves me right, was part of the deal to bail out Chrysler way back when.

[Edited 2005-05-25 21:39:39]
 
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RE: Uncle Sam Buys Minivans To Replace Army Humvees

Thu May 26, 2005 4:53 am

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 3):
So I guess that under fire they will be totally useless...........

But hey... they've got cupholders for everyone  Wink

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
The minivans — all gold-colored — will be built at Chrysler's St. Louis, Missouri,

I guess they got some camoflauge going  Wink

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 6):
These will probably be to replace Humvees in non-hostile areas and bases like in Germany, the US, Asia - not in Iraq/Afganistan

The article does give mention to use in Iraq. I don't think it's a horrible idea, it allows the armored Hummers to go where armored Hummers are needed, and probably at a much more cost/time effective than waiting for additional HUMVV.

Besides, the way some Soccer Mom's manuever those things, I'm perfectly convinced they are suitable for urban combat. I don't get why they went Chrysler though... there are much better/more reliable platforms on the market, the Chyrsler platform no longer has AWD, and I don't see Stow-And-Go being that great of a trade-off  Wink
 
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Thu May 26, 2005 4:55 am

Now you, the american soldier, can feel like a soccer mom!
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Thu May 26, 2005 4:56 am

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 7):
Not exactly a new concept. DoD buys commercial vehicles every year. Big deal....

 yes 

This really isn't news . . . there's a motorpool full of Chrysler products at Ft. Richardson and Elmendorf . . .
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Thu May 26, 2005 5:10 am



http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/gobolts07/Stripes_682.jpg

Although a bit off topic...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/gobolts07/Stripes_703.jpg
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Thu May 26, 2005 6:04 am

TPA:
Thanks for the Sean Young flashback.

Still off topic, but Bill Murray's comment to Sean Young when they popped out of the foot locker after doing the 'little nasty' was priceless....."Well, that was interesting."

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RE: Uncle Sam Buys Minivans To Replace Army Humvees

Thu May 26, 2005 6:40 am

Filmed at Ft. Knox ya know . . . . the "Border" was in fact at the extreme north edge of Ft. Knox, on what used to be US Highway 31W. Rerouted many years ago, this area of Ft. Knox remained. It's generally down hill form main-post to this location and about 12 miles from the Flag Pole. Back in the day, when I was a Drill Sergeant there, we did our Forced March from the main post to this location - under the railroad bridge* - and back to main post.

The 'Russian' compound is the old Central Heat and Power Plant at Knox.

*Railroad bridge is still there, it was the ICG main line from Louisville to Paducah when I was there, don't know who uses it now. I know I've been on top of it - in a jeep - and wasn't happy - but that was a long time ago.
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RE: Uncle Sam Buys Minivans To Replace Army Humvees

Thu May 26, 2005 6:43 am

Why not just bring back your basic military Jeep? Chrysler owns the Jeep brand now, which was once known as the GP vehicle, made by Bantam, Willy & Ford. Keep it simple, Uncle Sam...bring back the jeep for your basic transportation needs in the rear (non-hostile) area.  Wink Regards.
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RE: Uncle Sam Buys Minivans To Replace Army Humvees

Thu May 26, 2005 6:46 am

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 10):
Now you, the american soldier, can feel like a soccer mom!

It must be a new recruiting ploy. Could you imagine what would happen if we released a battalion of soccer moms on Iraq? Have you seen the warzone that is an elementary school parking lot at the beginning and end of school?

This war would be over in a heart beat.
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RE: Uncle Sam Buys Minivans To Replace Army Humvees

Thu May 26, 2005 6:47 am

The Iraqi insurgency would be defeated within a week.. All runover by airheaded soccer moms on cell phones.
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Thu May 26, 2005 11:15 am

They'll probably be used like Mississippi State uses its minivans. We have a bunch of Windstars and Grand Caravans (along with lots of trucks), and you see them around the campus a lot, usually taking prospective students on tours.

Makes sense to me. Chrysler did some quite intelligent engineering on our 97 GC.
 
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RE: Uncle Sam Buys Minivans To Replace Army Humvee

Thu May 26, 2005 12:10 pm

Like this?




Even better than minivans... rotfl 
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RE: Uncle Sam Buys Minivans To Replace Army Humvees

Thu May 26, 2005 12:20 pm

Bill Murray, John Larroquette and the entire cast of "Stripes" must be laughing their asses off right about now.  Big grin
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RE: Uncle Sam Buys Minivans To Replace Army Humvees

Thu May 26, 2005 12:27 pm

ASMD80 . . . nothing beats "THAT" Crysler product . . . which is the M1A2 by the by . . . please note the second thermal site . . . and the large 120mm cannon . . . and it's even air conditioned!

1/3 mile to the gallon . . . ***







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Thu May 26, 2005 12:30 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 22):
Signed:

Uncle Hulka

You catch on fast, dude! Hahaha!

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Thu May 26, 2005 12:37 pm

My favorite line . . . and there were a lot . . . John Candy: "How ya doin' Eisenhower, is this the Mess Hall?". . . . .

Filmed in front of the reception center processing station, I have been in that building, in the same barber shop across the street, and in the same uniform issue facility . .

There is a soldier - scratch that - a pinhead recruit - in that underwear issue line named Andy McGrady. He worked for me in Germany in the early 1980s.
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Thu May 26, 2005 12:42 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 24):
My favorite line . . . and there were a lot . . . John Candy: "How ya doin' Eisenhower, is this the Mess Hall?". . . . .

No, no no. The best line in the movie? "Oh, I wish I was a loofah".

Too damn funny!!
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RE: Uncle Sam Buys Minivans To Replace Army Humvees

Thu May 26, 2005 12:43 pm

Quoting Greyhound (Reply 5):
Not to call the article itself or anyone in here a lier, but where do they get the information? Is there a Pentagon press release corroborating this article? Seems like something of this magnitude would have been all over the U.S. mainstream media by now. I'm skeptic until I see some more proof. Sorry, clickhappy, nothing personal. But the article didn't reference any sources.

To quote the article... "a plant source"... Who, the company janitorial squad? And how many times has a story involving billions of taxpayer dollars in the U.S., dealing with the armed forces specifically, originated in Windsor, Canada?

That's because we build those minivans around here. That means we have an assembly plant. That's a big building with an assembly line, a bunch of workers, and a bunch of managers. When the managers add an extra shift to complete a 19,000 vehicle order (believe it or not but it's not every day that a single customer orders that many minivans at once) they might be compelled to inform the workers. Even the janitors. Simple enough for ya?

P.S. Minivans must be pretty expensive wherever you live, if 19k of those and 4k Pacificas adds up to "billions of taxpayer dollars".


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Thu May 26, 2005 1:16 pm

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 15):
Why not just bring back your basic military Jeep? Chrysler owns the Jeep brand now, which was once known as the GP vehicle, made by Bantam, Willy & Ford. Keep it simple, Uncle Sam...bring back the jeep for your basic transportation needs in the rear (non-hostile) area. Regards.

Got news for ya. Your basic military jeep would cost more than a F150. hard to beat the price you get with commercial volumes.

Related item: About 10 years ago the Air Force got smart. They had been buying commercial vehicles with non standard (milspec) paint and stripped (no radio, etc). Turns out that was more expensive (they had to take the radios out post manufacturing) than just buying a minimally equipped commercial spec vehicle. Troops have been enjoying vehicles with AC, stereo, and decent paint ever since......
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Thu May 26, 2005 3:30 pm

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 7):
DoD buys commercial vehicles every year

Like I said, not a big deal, commerical vehicles actually meet DOT specs. something that military trucks don't.

When I was in it was a hell of a lot safer to make a run in an Volkswagon van, which the military bought in the country, then trying to do it in a M998.

I understand that my beloved M939 actualy has the worst road accident record of any military vehicle.
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Thu May 26, 2005 7:04 pm

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 27):
Related item: About 10 years ago the Air Force got smart. They had been buying commercial vehicles with non standard (milspec) paint and stripped (no radio, etc). Turns out that was more expensive (they had to take the radios out post manufacturing) than just buying a minimally equipped commercial spec vehicle. Troops have been enjoying vehicles with AC, stereo, and decent paint ever since......

I don´t know much about the mentality of USAF personel, but in the German Civil Defense, we "customised" every truck we received, e.g. by adding radio and stereo, rearranging the equipment in the back away from the STAN (Standard und Ausrüstungsnachweis) regulations to make space for additional, privately purchased by the section, gear, like tools or a coffee percolator, a cooker and food (Usually the driver would stay with the vehicle during an operation, while he was idle, he would prepare food and drinks for the section), spare uniforms (in case somebody got soaked) etc..

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RE: Uncle Sam Buys Minivans To Replace Army Humvees

Fri May 27, 2005 12:38 am

I swallow a lot of aggression

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RE: Uncle Sam Buys Minivans To Replace Army Humvees

Fri May 27, 2005 12:54 am

Well, I don't know about you guys but I've always been kind of a pacifist. When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it."
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Fri May 27, 2005 1:02 am

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Fri May 27, 2005 1:59 am

Quoting LY744 (Reply 26):
That means we have an assembly plant. That's a big building with an assembly line, a bunch of workers, and a bunch of managers.

Okay junior.... No foolin, that's what one of them thar assembly plants are? Gosh darn... I'll run back and tell the folks back home. But if responding to my comments by being an a-hole (as in one's rectal cavity... simple enough for ya?) makes you feel better, go ahead.
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Fri May 27, 2005 2:28 am

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Fri May 27, 2005 3:14 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 29):
I don´t know much about the mentality of USAF personel, but in the German Civil Defense, we "customised" every truck we received, e.g. by adding radio and stereo, rearranging the equipment in the back away from the STAN (Standard und Ausrüstungsnachweis) regulations to make space for additional, privately purchased by the section, gear, like tools or a coffee percolator, a cooker and food (Usually the driver would stay with the vehicle during an operation, while he was idle, he would prepare food and drinks for the section), spare uniforms (in case somebody got soaked) etc..

A lot of agencies did that here too, The USFS painted their trucks in the most godawful shade of lime green.

Most of the local departments have gotten smart, they order white painted vehicles now and just affix large decals.
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Fri May 27, 2005 4:55 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 28):
Like I said, not a big deal, commerical vehicles actually meet DOT specs. something that military trucks don't.

Must be missing some replies then because this is your first one in this thread.
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Fri May 27, 2005 3:37 pm

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 36):
Must be missing some replies then because this is your first one in this thread.
Chill!

Sorry, going back to work has made me a bit jumpy.
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Fri May 27, 2005 4:05 pm

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 13):
Thanks for the Sean Young flashback.

Total agreement, she was quite hot. Who was the one who played Harold Rammis' girlfriend? She was not so bad herself
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