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2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:38 am

I would love to get opinions of New Yorkers especially.
Questions
Do you want the Olympics in New York? Why?
Do you want the stadium to be built? Why?


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I have rather strong opinions on both but will save my answers for later.
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:52 am

Just curious, where would the stadium be built if NYC gets the Olympics? It seems as if there's barely enough space without the burden of building many Olympic venues.

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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:55 am

The stadium would be built over the MTA rail yards on the far west side of Manhattan.

I'm not sure how I feel... I think it makes sense for the Jets to play in New York... but with property values the way they are and due to the finite amount of land in Manhattan, I'm not sure it makes sense to put it there.... why not Queens? As far as the Olympics... I guess I'm for them here... but after the debacle that was the 96 Atlanta Olympics, I'm dubious as to how successful they would be.
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:00 am

It has its pros and cons. I lean towards the pros since I think New York is the greatest city on earth, but on the other hand there two major problems with the NYC bid.

1) Road/subway gridlock. Take a subway in NYC at 8:30AM, multiply that four times. I mean, the subways would be absolutely packed to the gills, the taxis would hardly be able to move with the increase road traffic and detours.

2) Hotels in NYC already charge on average $246 a night and a lot of them are booked solidly no matter what day it is. There is too much demand and not enough supply. It's gonna be tough for people from around the world to converge on Manhattan just because of the astronomical prices.

I think it would be an unbelieveable Olympics though. My cousin has already bought a bar near where the Athletes Village is planned to be built in Long Island City.
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:02 am

I'd like to way in about this, as I may be living there in the near future.

I think its great. NYC has come a far way to what it is today, many people have a strong bias against New York in that its a tough rugged dirty place. I think some people will have their attitudes changed when they see the Olympics there.
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:03 am

As a new yorker i say NO. exept for the small buisnesses NYC would be essentaly shut down during the olympics. NYC does not have the infrastructure to handle an additional 1 million+ tourists. Anyone that has every tried to get out of manhattan on a weekday from 4-6 would agree with me
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:10 am

I think it sounds like a great idea but would also be a huge burden on Manhattan. If they branch out and place most of the venues in the other boroughs, it could work.
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:11 am

I can't imagine what the security cost for the games in NYC would be. I think Athens spent well over a billion in 2004 dollars- and nobody really hates the Greeks.

If we assume a 4% discount rate, the 2012 costs, for the same level of security provide in Athens would be at least $1.3B. Given the threat matrix that a NYC hosted Olympic games would create, I think we're probably have to at least double the Athens expenditures - so we're talking about spending about $2.2 to $2.6 BILLION on security costs alone.

There's no way that the games will infuse that amount of economic activity into the NYC economy. View it this way. If the games drew 400,000 visitors (a number which I think is on the high side), each visitor would have to spend about $6,800 just to generate $2.6B of economic activity - not profit. And that's just security cost.

The games would be a huge financial noose for the city and the taxpayers of the City of NY, the State of New York and of the United States will end up footing the bill.
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:14 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 7):
and nobody really hates the Greeks.

If you say that in some parts of Turkey and get home alive, you'll probably win a gold medal in sprint at the next olympics!
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:14 am

Simply put, the United States does not have what it takes to stage an olympics.

Atlanta was a disaster, so was Salt Lake, to a lesser degree.

Sydney was superb, Athens was also really good. Heck, Montreal built a new airport for the occasion.

My point is, other countries put more efforts into the games, and the national governments do a part in the organizing, unlike in the US
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:16 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 8):
If you say that in some parts of Turkey and get home alive, you'll probably win a gold medal in sprint at the next olympics!

LOL. Funny
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:25 am

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 6):
If they branch out and place most of the venues in the other boroughs, it could work.

I believe that it was planned to do just that. From what I remember, apart from the Olympic Stadium, there would be no new venues built in Manhattan, and only the stadium, Madison Square Garden, the Javits Center and an armory somewhere would be used for events. Everything else would be in other boroughs or New Jersey.

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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:26 am

have they ever awarded 2 cities on the same continent back to back (winter and summer olympics) to host the olympics? vancouver is hosting the winter 2010 olympic... so i'm guessing that the summer 2012 might be going to a different continent.
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:28 am

"Atlanta was a disaster, so was Salt Lake, to a lesser degree."

Why were Atlanta and Salt Lake disasters?
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:31 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
Why were Atlanta and Salt Lake disasters?

Atlanta: Transportation, Organization, Weather and Security.

Salt Lake: Other than scandal, I thought they were pretty well received.
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:38 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
Why were Atlanta and Salt Lake disasters?

Salt Lake was fine in my opinion, but as for the Centennial Olympics in Atlanta...it WAS a disaster. Everything from that wierd mascot to the lame opening ceremonies.
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:42 am

Quoting Singaporegirl (Reply 12):
have they ever awarded 2 cities on the same continent back to back (winter and summer olympics) to host the olympics

Tons of times.

1924: Summer Olympics - Paris, France
Winter Olympics - Chamonix, France

1928: Summer Olympics - Amsterdam, Netherlands
Winter Olympics - St. Moritz, Switzerland

1932: Summer Olympics - Los Angeles, USA
Winter Olympics - Lake Placid, USA

1936: Summer Olympics - Berlin, Germany
Winter Olympics - Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Germany

1948: Summer Olympics - London, UK
Winter Olympics - St. Moritz, Switzerland

1952: Summer Olympics - Helsinki, Finland
Winter Olympics - Oslo, Norway

1992: Summer Olympics - Barcelona, Spain
Winter Olympics - Albertville, France
1994: Winter Olympics - Lillehammer, Norway

2004: Summer Olympics - Athens, Greece
2006: Winter Olympics - Turin, Italy
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:09 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 8):
If you say that in some parts of Turkey and get home alive, you'll probably win a gold medal in sprint at the next olympics!

Ya however compare it to the US.
Say that ANYWHERE and lets see if you come back alive

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so proportionally, Greeks have less to worry about !
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:14 am

Quoting ACAfan (Reply 9):
Atlanta was a disaster, so was Salt Lake, to a lesser degree.

I went to events in both Atlanta and Salt Lake City, and I was actually there for Opening Ceremonies in SLC. The mass transit was busy and MARTA cars were sometimes fully packed (ughh, sometimes had to squeeze next to sweaty Euros), but it wasn't to the point where it was completely unbearable. I'd just compare it to a normal NYC rush-hour on the subways. Everyone was warned constantly to stay off the roads and traffic wasn't bad at all. Although I was only 13 at the time, I thought besides the bombing, it was pretty good. The only problem with Atlanta is that it isn't the coolest place in the summer, a lot of days it was in the low-90s with high humidity.

Salt Lake City was bad? I have no idea where you got that notion. First of all, as could be expected it wasn't as crowded as Atlanta. I never saw truly "bad" traffic in SLC. The security screenings and lines were a pain in the ass, but you had to go through basically the same thing in Atlanta in '96.
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:20 am

lol, I really don't think the Atlanta Olympics were a disaster...mascots are always weird...jesus, look at that Greek...thing. I thought the opening ceremonies were great!!! I mean what was up with that stupid cauldron for the flame?
As for the Atlanta organization and transportation? yes, a debacle...Let's face it though, in other countries where you have the government so invested in the Olympics and providing massive subsidies, the mainly private funds used for U.S. olympics often pull the goals of the games in different directions. Why was Sydney such a massive success? Massive funding from Australian government. If we want U.S. Olympics to be massive successes, like Sydney, we must have more funds from the U.S. government a strong organizational body. Salt Lake and Atlanta were not disasters-they simply were not the best Olympics ever...
 
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:34 am

I'm sure the US could pull off a great Olympics, get the right management on the project and some well placed funds and it could be fantastic. But I still wouldn't want it in New York, or generally in the US. Not because there incapable or anything, or that there no less deserving than all the other candidate cities, but simply because of the groups of people who can go see it.

Only citizens from 27 countries can easily travel to the US visa free on the VWP (Visa Waiver Program). Thus meaning a hell of alot of people would have to go get visas if they want to go and support there countries team. At the end of the day alot of people just won't go, and the games would only have a few people from the 27 countries and those who did get visas, but mainly only Americans would go. Now I'm not saying that America should open it's doors, it's a matter of security and the chosen 27 countries are most likely there for a reason, but what I'm saying is that the Olympics overall should be in a more accessible location where more people can go and enjoy the games.

Anyhoo, just my 2p.

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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:09 am

I still think they will award the 2012 Summer Olympics to Paris.

The reason is simple: Paris has the transportation infrastructure necessary to hold the Games there (thanks to two major airports at CDG and ORY and the fact Paris is well-connected to the rest of Europe through high-speed rail connections; Paris will probably upgrade the Paris Metro to better accommodate the huge horder of visitors to that city).
 
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:23 am

Big metropolitan cities don't need money...
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:25 am

I'm hoping NYC doesn't get the games.. Yea it would be great to have the Olympics back in the USA in 2012, but not NYC. They can barely handle day to day hassles as it is. I honestly don't believe they could handle this. Take a look at their water production (everyone will be needing it during the Olympics). They currently have two massive gravity-controlled viaducts that bring water from upstate NY. Those are at max capacity 365 days a year, and at times aren't even adequate. Thats why they're *trying* to build a third, but when its completed, one of the other 2 will have to be shut down to be fixed.

The electric grids are at max capacity at all times, and during about 50% of the time are over-juiced (for lack of better term).

Basically, NYC is already maxed out on all of its resources, and couldn't handle all of the added people,cars,flights,etc. Apparently the NYC Olympic committee forgot about these things, or just thinks the problems will disappear. NYC is a city that has to be operational at all times. It can't just be shut down everyday that the Olympics are there, so tourists can use it.

Personally, I'd like to see them back in St. Louis soon, because I wasn't exactly alive when they were last here.. ..Yea, I know, pipe dream.
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 2:41 pm

Quoting ACAfan (Reply 9):
so was Salt Lake, to a lesser degree.


Actually

Quoting ACAfan (Reply 9):
the United States does not have what it takes to stage an olympics.

Actually, Los Angeles and Lake Placid are two of the best host cities in Olympic history


Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 15):
the lame opening ceremonies.

I don't consider Muhammad Ali to ever be lame

Personally, I think London should be the host city
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:45 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 8):
If you say that in some parts of Turkey and get home alive, you'll probably win a gold medal in sprint at the next olympics!

Haha, that is a funny comment!

Quoting Kalakaua (Reply 22):
Big metropolitan cities don't need money...

To be honest, NYC doesn't need money.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 24):
Actually, Los Angeles and Lake Placid are two of the best host cities in Olympic history

Really, Why?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 24):
Personally, I think London should be the host city

I agree. I don't believe NYC should have them so soon after the ATL summer games in 96. Its just too close IMO for the games to be held in the same country again especially considering some of the nations that haven't had the games for some time!
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:18 pm

Quoting Csavel (Thread starter):
Do you want the Olympics in New York? Why?

Yes please !!!

That way we would avoid all that mess in Paris !!!

Quoting Csavel (Thread starter):
Do you want the stadium to be built? Why?

I don't really know, and I don't really care  Silly

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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:19 pm

NO.


It will probably end up in Europe....
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:54 pm

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 25):
Its just too close IMO for the games to be held in the same country again especially considering some of the nations that haven't had the games for some time!

One of the things that the London points out is that we have never been awarded the Olympics. London has stepped in twice before when for whatever reason others couldn't host them, but we've never actually been given them here.

As for New York, I'd love to see an Olympics there, because it's just such a fabulous city. But given the number of games held in the US over the last twenty years, I really don't think any American city should get them for quite some time. That's the only reason, mind!
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:10 pm

On balance, I'd prefer the games not to be in NYC, I'd rather they were in Paris or London. Paris because Paris will do a better job (it is already the most visited tourist destination in the world, I believe), London because London desperately needs to upgrade public transport, and only the Olympics will persuade the skinflint government to actually pay for it not through some dodgy PFI get-rich-quick scam.

Trouble is, if London get the games, they'll build everything out east where one simply cannot Be Seen, and nominate STN as the gateway airport (like for the Millenium DisastDome) - euwww. FR would probably be the Official Carrier  yuck 
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:55 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 29):
build everything out east where one simply cannot Be Seen

My dear chap, those of us not associated with the ghastly "chav" mentality will simply head down to Hickstead where the showjumping would be held. Now, obviously, I have no interest in horses whatsoever, but it would indeed be the place where "proper" people congregate. I'm quite sure I could manage to sneak you in, although it might be wise to disguise yourself as a waiter. Big grin
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:26 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 30):
I'm quite sure I could manage to sneak you in, although it might be wise to disguise yourself as a waiter.

...or a horse. People will mistake me for Camilla, and curtsey.

Do you think they'll have other "nice" sports like sailing and rowing in the genteel environs of Henley or Lymington or will they do them in Tilbury docks ?
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:33 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 8):
If you say that in some parts of Turkey and get home alive, you'll probably win a gold medal in sprint at the next olympics

...and the 3,000m steeple with raised hurdles will officially become a sprint.  bouncy 
 
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:41 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 31):
...or a horse. People will mistake me for Camilla, and curtsey.

I doubt it. You don't look sufficiently youthful.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 31):
Do you think they'll have other "nice" sports like sailing and rowing in the genteel environs of Henley or Lymington or will they do them in Tilbury docks ?

I believe Tilbury Docks is the location for some of the athletic events, such as the 100m with a DVD player under your arm, the hurdles over the garden fences whilst hanging on to a CD player and the baseball, because it should be out of the way.
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:13 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 24):
Actually, Los Angeles and Lake Placid are two of the best host cities in Olympic history

I think you will find that Sydney will go down in history as better than LA and Lale Placid. I am not being bias, as I was actually overseas during this time, but how can you beat Kyulie singing "on a night like this'. Was that song perfect or what?

I'm for London. I've backed the bid by adding my name to the BA 747. It still wont be as good, but it will be better than NYC. In my opinion.
 
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:28 pm

It seems like every other Olympics in recent times have given the opportunity for the locals to introduce a highly competitive but less known sport.

In Greece we had the weight throwing in original skirts, which btw attracted quite a few Scottish entrants.
We asked also for tavli (backgammon) but we could not agree on the rules with the IOC.

If in Paris, petanque and belote would certainly be proposed.
No doubt, London would require darts, cricket and bridge.

What about Madrid, Moscow and NY ?
 
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:35 pm

Quoting Wunala reply 34
"I think you will find that Sydney will go down in history as better than LA and Lale Placid. I am not being bias, as I was actually overseas during this time, but how can you beat Kyulie singing "on a night like this'. Was that song perfect or what?"

Do you asses which is/was a better city with criteria such as Kylie's song?
Why do you want to believe that Sydney's 2000 Olympics will remain in history as the best ever? don't you want the game to become better and better after 4 years? I will not comment on which games were better or not because i will sure be biased but please give to the rest of the world a chance.

On the subject now,
I think that London will get the games because U.S.A hosted the Olympics twice in the recent period and because Paris did not welcome the committee well prepared due to the strike that took place when they visited the city 2 months ago.
I hope that London will finally take advantage of the opportunity to host the Olympics and upgrade the underdeveloped east end.

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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:45 pm

Quoting Iakobos (Reply 35):
What about Madrid, Moscow and NY ?

Madrid - long-distance fasting. Competitors are forced to wait until 10pm before being served dinner. The winner is the one who dies of starvation last.

Moscow - Obstacle Queueing. Competitors face a series of obstacles (unpaid striking tram workers, disgruntled pensioners, chain-gangs of imprisoned oil billionaires) as they attempt to clear Immigration and Customs at Sheremetyevo. A maximum of USD100.00 is permitted per national team, for bribes.

NY - The .38mm Dash. Competitors must run from the scene of a ram-raided 7-11 to the corner of 178th and Columbus, avoiding the hail of bullets from New York's finest. Restricted to Afro-Caribbean and Latin American athletes only. Koreans and South Asians may participate as innocent bystanders, but will not be eligible for medals unless hit by at least 7 seperate discharges.
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:26 pm

I think it's a toss-up between Paris and London.

And London should get the games, because they need it more than the other 4.
 
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:41 pm

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 38):
And London should get the games, because they need it more

How do you mean?
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:50 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 39):
How do you mean?

For one of the premier and most important cities in the world, London's public infrastructure is shocking.
I was there over the past weekend and could not believe the level of deterioration since the last time I was there.

Like JGPH1A said, maybe getting the games might make the government do something.
 
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:17 am

I work in NYC and live about 12 miles west of the city in New Jersey, near some of the proposed 2012 NYC Olympic venues (Giants Stadium for example). I generally oppose the Olympics in 2012 in NYC (although I work with people involved with bringing them here) for a variety of reasons including:
The costs of infrastructure (mainly the huge stadium on the West side of Manhattan, and nearing a drop dead date for that committment for the Olympic bid),
The security target NYC is already, the horrendous costs of security to the taxpayers in the 2-3 Billion range
That the city would have to almost shut down it's business community over 3 work weeks due to the traffic issues from tourist demands and security.

The city of Montrael whom held them in 1976 is still paying for the costs of those Olympics, and are stuck with a white elephant of a staduim where it's roof cover never worked. I don't want NYC and other USA taxpayers getting stuck with the $ 5 Billion + in staduim costs, additional subway installations, security, business loss and other costs.

Let Paris take them and get stuck with the costs. They have most of the infrastructure from the World Cup, plenty of hotels, excellent transportation and so on and probably wouldn't be the political terror target NYC would be, even years from now.
 
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:22 am

LTBEWR, You hit the nail right on the head about why NYC2012 is the worst idea since the specter of Mayor Abzug was a possibility, especially about Montreal, they're still paying for that folly that looks like it could crumble at any moment.

I just wanted to get people's opinions, but I truly resent the Olympics being forced down my throat. I can't stand to see the decals on every subway train. What a waste of money and I don't think a public resource should be a vehicle for propaganda unless the propaganda-maker pays for it. The support for the Olympics in NYC is lukewarm at best.

When Peter Uebberoth throws a hysterical hissy-fit that if we don't approve the West Side white elephant the IOC will not choose New York, people in New York generally respond, let's hope so!

I don't want to live like a prisoner in lockdown for three weeks which is what will happen.

I think there are better uses for the West Side and to have a huge stadium in a congested place like Manhattan, as opposed to say, Queens, is idiocy.

The far West side will be developed with or without the stadium. it is Manhattan's last frontier. As a matter of fact living or working next to a Stadium will inhibit development, because most people would think that a bad, and the only developments will be parking garages. Oh boy.

There are very few football games, and most economics agree that sports welfare never recoups the money that cities have to put out. People will come to the stadium, spring for parking, maybe go to a sports bar, and go back home to New Jersey. It won't add up to much for the West Side economy. Not in jobs, not in revenue. As for bragging rights, who remembers where the Super Bowl was two years ago?

And as for the whole idea that this will bring in huge conventions that bypass New York because the javits center is too small, well

1 - The javits can't even pull in conventions that it could handle
2 - There are very few conventions and trade shows in that market
3 - They usually go to the same "resort town" year after year e.g. Las Vegas and that ain't gonna change
4 - hotels are so expensive that conventions avoid New York anyway.

This is welfare for Sports teams, pork for people who stand to make money off of it and an unnecessary Public Works project for construction unions. Pure and simple.
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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:37 am

My vote is YES! I was in Greece for the a week before the games this summer, then went to the Opening Ceremony (row 14!) and to a different sporting event every day. The city was never cleaner, more peaceful, and more friendly. I loved my time there. Normally, we avoid Athens for more than a day or two when we go to Greece, but last summer we did not want to leave. It is amazing how a city can come together when the Olympics arrive. If the same effect can be had on NYC, even a temporary one, then by all means do it! And I'll definitely be there!

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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:04 pm

as someone who lives 10 blocks away from the proposed site I say NO. The biggest mistake was putting it in Manhattan. No other city has huge sports venues so close to the city center. My opinion is move out to the suburbs so that I't dosen't bother anybody.I guess we'll know Monday at 3:00

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RE: 2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?

Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:23 pm

First of all, Salt Lake WAS NOT a disaster, it was actually a success story. We have a much nicer city now than we ever could have thought of before the olympics. We have a very successful Light Rail System, a 10-12 lane freeway, new sporting facilities, and we had some money pumped in (of course there was a bit of stagnation after the olympics, but that's another matter). Also it was all with minimal inconvenience for two weeks (and I lived a block away from the Olympic zone where all the roads closed down, etc.) It was the best time I could have ever considered having in Salt Lake City. Sure, the Winter Olympics are smaller, but so is SLC. New York is a big city, it can handle the excesss capacity and necessary changes to get the olympics and overcome space issues. You already have millions and millions of people, you think a couple hundred thou for a couple weeks are going to make that much of a difference? Everyone I know in Utah had the same issues that you guys mention, and we pretty much silenced all our critics. So, out of my ramblings, here's what I say to New Yorkers: you've got a great city IMHO, and the Olympics would make it that much better. If you get the Olympics, be happy about it.
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