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New Yorks Olympic Bid In Trouble

Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:41 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/olympics_2012/4590003.stm


according to the olympic comitee evaluation issued today , New York is third with Paris and London coming up first.While I personally feel that New York should win, what do Londoners and Parisians think about their cities hosting the Olympics?
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RE: New Yorks Olympic Bid In Trouble

Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:09 pm

This is good for NYC. The city does not need to spend billions for an event that is a shadow of what is was 20 or 30 years ago.
 
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RE: New Yorks Olympic Bid In Trouble

Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:13 pm

Will be good for business if it comes to the UK, but dont really know about transport issues. Its packed enough as it is there.

IM BACKING THE BID (hope to also see my name on the BA plane to SIN)
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RE: New Yorks Olympic Bid In Trouble

Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:31 pm

Well if the IOC is concerned with the stadium plans at NYC then you can probably blame Atlanta to some extent if you lose out because of it.

The IOC haven't forgotten that instead of a lasting legacy the stadium was demolished pretty quickly in ATL after the games - they don't want a repeat of evidence of the olympics even being held getting wiped out soon afterwards.

Anyway it'll come down to politics more than facilities when the final vote happens.
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RE: New Yorks Olympic Bid In Trouble

Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:47 pm

The city does not need to spend billions for an event that is a shadow of what is was 20 or 30 years ago.

Why do you say that?
In fact, I think that the Olympics are popular than ever.
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RE: New Yorks Olympic Bid In Trouble

Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:47 pm

''Anyway it'll come down to politics more than facilities when the final vote happens.''

So you think that the I.O.C. will snub the U.S by picking a European city
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RE: New Yorks Olympic Bid In Trouble

Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:54 pm

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 5):
''Anyway it'll come down to politics more than facilities when the final vote happens.''

So you think that the I.O.C. will snub the U.S by picking a European city

Actually, I think he was referring to NYC politics and bickering re: the stadium construction. As an NYC native, I wholly support the bid. I don't think we'll get it, though, thanks to the idiot pinkos and NIMBYs who lack vision and have gone out of their way to oppose approval and construction at every step.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 4):
In fact, I think that the Olympics are popular than ever.

I agree with you. The best part of the Olympics is not the games itself, but that it gives large bureaucracies a much-needed kick in the pants to get major infrastructure projects done. These infrastructure projects benefit the city for years, if not decades, after.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 3):
The IOC haven't forgotten that instead of a lasting legacy the stadium was demolished pretty quickly in ATL after the games - they don't want a repeat of evidence of the olympics even being held getting wiped out soon afterwards.

NYC would never tear down their stadium, after all the bickering and horsetrading that has gone into it, and also since it will be used for the New York Jets; and it still is 50-50 if it gets built at all. IOC's main takeaway from Atlanta was that they will never host the games in a "second-tier city" again. NYC is not a second-tier city. I don't see any post-ATL baggage that will hurt NYC's chances.

The only thing that will hurt NYC's chances are the people in NYC itself who vociferously oppose the bid, with little good reason.
 
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RE: New Yorks Olympic Bid In Trouble

Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:55 pm

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 5):
So you think that the I.O.C. will snub the U.S by picking a European city

yes, I believe they will...

Having the games in Paris or London its a lot less headache for some... If you know what I mean  Smile
 
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RE: New Yorks Olympic Bid In Trouble

Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:03 am

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 6):
Quoting Alberchico (Reply 5):
''Anyway it'll come down to politics more than facilities when the final vote happens.''

So you think that the I.O.C. will snub the U.S by picking a European city

Actually, I think he was referring to NYC politics and bickering re: the stadium construction. As an NYC native, I wholly support the bid. I don't think we'll get it, though, thanks to the idiot pinkos and NIMBYs who lack vision and have gone out of their way to oppose approval and construction at every step.

Interesting to hear about NYC politics itself but actually I was referring to politics within the IOC/sporting community. I'm not thinking along the lines of US/IRAQ, etc but rahter than the usual deals that go on with this sort of thing. Support us and we''ll support you for something else. Lets be honest its not a free and open vote with no influencing going on is it now. I certainly don't think of it being a clear snub to the US.

Also the Euro vote could split between the four euro cities - or rather three because I don't think Moscow has a chance. and then if a Euro city drops out who will they vote for. MAD will probably suffer from Spain having had the olympics in 1992 - although expect support from the LatAm members.

The big problem for NYC is that it is up against Paris and London. Any other year and it probably would have been up against cities that couldn't possibly rival it as a "world city", but alongside these other two you have arguably the three most famous, most recognisable, most desired to be visited cities in the world. And with that in mind the vote could go in any direction.
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RE: New Yorks Olympic Bid In Trouble

Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:04 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 3):
The IOC haven't forgotten that instead of a lasting legacy the stadium was demolished pretty quickly in ATL after the games

Demolished? Not really. The only part dismantled were the temporary bleachers - the Stadium was designed from the get-go to be converted to a baseball field following the closure of the games and the bulk of Olympic Stadium still exists as Turner Field.

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RE: New Yorks Olympic Bid In Trouble

Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:05 am

''NIMBYs who lack vision and have gone out of their way to oppose approval and construction at every step.

Those people represent only a very small minority. You don't even hear about them nowadays. While we're on the subject at 3:00 pm today it will be decided whether the stadium will be built or not.
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RE: New Yorks Olympic Bid In Trouble

Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:16 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 4):
Why do you say that?
In fact, I think that the Olympics are popular than ever.

Simple, because the games do not mean what they used to to allot of people. Also, NYC as a city isn't in the best financial shape and instead of pouring billions into things that will be used on a grand scale ONCE, they are better off pouring billions back into the city itself. Let London or Paris have them.
 
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RE: New Yorks Olympic Bid In Trouble

Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:20 am

''ONCE, they are better off pouring billions back into the city itself.''

You know I am starting to agree with you. Last time I checked lower Manhattan still had a huge hole in the ground that needs to be re-developed.
(yes for all you non-New Yorkers work still HAS NOT BEGUN on ground zero)

I guess the problem with the stadium is the location. If it was moved to Queens or Brookly no one would give a damm
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RE: New Yorks Olympic Bid In Trouble

Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:34 am

And I wholeheartedly disagree with the Olympics being wiped from Atlanta after they were there...although there were transportation problems and the bomb, people are still proud that we hosted them. All you have to do to be reminded that we hosted them is to go downtown and you can still see the village being used to its maximum potential and Centennial Olympic Park is still very popular destination on weekends for families that are Inside the Perimeter (There is a large fountain and its nice urban park). I think it's rather entertaining that people who weren't even here during the games think it was a nightmare when it really wasn't. If you would have been here you would have known that the majority of people were happy and MARTA actually did work for the majority of people. I remember having lunch with people not from the United States downtown with my family and people saying how suprised they were that Atlanta was doing so well (albeit it was hot as hell during the Olympic period) and that they had gotten a picture of the city as a racist backwater town (which it is not). The bombing is the one thing that hurts the entire game, and it was a very sad thing that happened...but I dont think it killed the Olympics. What I'm saying is, that the IOC and other armchair observers love to talk about how the games were a disaster...not true...you had to be on the ground to see that the games had their problems, but were far from disaster.
 
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RE: New Yorks Olympic Bid In Trouble

Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:34 am

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 6):
Actually, I think he was referring to NYC politics and bickering re: the stadium construction. As an NYC native, I wholly support the bid. I don't think we'll get it, though, thanks to the idiot pinkos and NIMBYs who lack vision and have gone out of their way to oppose approval and construction at every step.

Wow, thanks for the reasoned analysis. It’s great when the people who disagree with you are pinkos and idiots. There isn’t really a lot of opposition to the 2012 Bid in New York (can you name me one major politician or organization that has come out against it?) The opposition is primarily to the West Side stadium. Although the West Side location is peripheral to the Olympic bid (it would be just as well to the IOC to have it Queens, both the London and Paris bids have centerpiece stadiums well outside their respective city centers), those who want the West Side Stadium built are using the Olympic bid as leverage to get it rammed through the legislature. And the reasons for opposing the West Side Stadium are plentiful and shared by numerous public policy groups, including those funded by business interests, who could never be considered “pinkos” or “idiots”.

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 6):
I agree with you. The best part of the Olympics is not the games itself, but that it gives large bureaucracies a much-needed kick in the pants to get major infrastructure projects done. These infrastructure projects benefit the city for years, if not decades, after.

What badly-needed infrastructure projects will be completed because of the Olympic bid? (1) 2nd Ave. Subway? No. (2) 1-seat trip from midtown to LGA and/or JFK? No. (3) LIRR link to Grand Central, uh, No.

Part of the Olympic bid will be extending the 7-train one stop from Times Sq. to the West Side Yards—that’s nice, but is a low priority compared to other transit needs.
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RE: New Yorks Olympic Bid In Trouble

Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:37 am

I have backed and am currently backing the 2012 London Olympic Bid  Wink
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RE: New Yorks Olympic Bid In Trouble

Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:06 am

NYC can't even decide what to do and rebuild Ground Zero/WTC site and the politicans are more worried about a stadium of questionable value to the city and it's citizens. I doubt the IOC will vote for NYC anyway for 2012 for a variety of political, structural/infrastructure, lack of enough hotel rooms, terror fears reasons.
 
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RE: New Yorks Olympic Bid In Trouble

Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:19 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 4):
In fact, I think that the Olympics are popular than ever.

I couldn't disagree more. The olympics have basically turned into a fashion show for the city hosting them, and nothing more.. They spend insane amounts on money to mask the city's blemishes for a couple weeks, and spend even more on opening/closing ceremonies.. The games themselves honestly aren't that respectable anymore, with all the performance enhancing drugs out there (i dont want to hear anything about testing, its been proven that many drugs dont show up on their tests)
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RE: New Yorks Olympic Bid In Trouble

Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:10 pm

Quoting LambertSTL777 (Reply 17):

I couldn't disagree more. The olympics have basically turned into a fashion show for the city hosting them, and nothing more.. They spend insane amounts on money to mask the city's blemishes for a couple weeks, and spend even more on opening/closing ceremonies.. The games themselves honestly aren't that respectable anymore, with all the performance enhancing drugs out there (i dont want to hear anything about testing, its been proven that many drugs dont show up on their tests)

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