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For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:47 am

To counter this love-fest going on with SFOMEX, and the other Kool-Aid drinkers, who think this guy is some great guy or president, that he's has intergrity (snicker); that he's done so much good for the US and the world, this one is dedicated to all of us-the real majority, who know this guy is one of the biggest disasters the U.S. has ever had.

All you Bush-lovers, who have been ruining the dinners of all of us who know better about this man, are welcome to join, just so we have some entertainment in making your pro-Bush arguments a butt of some good jokes.
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:56 am

Well Falcon84, this is my exact reply from the other thread you made reference to. As a former supporter of Bush and the GOP, it bears repeating here as well:


I USED support President Bush and the Republican Party but lost all interest in them after their handling of the Terri Schaivo debacle. To steal a quote from another thread I started here:

''To maintain the constitutional principle, we should support Supreme Court decisions, even when we may not agree with them.'' (President John F. Kennedy, News conference, 1962)

Since that time, I want little or nothing to do with the GOP (and I'm not to fond of the Democrats either, but that's another story).

As far as I'm concerned, every politician is only "pro-life" or "pro-choice" when it suits their particular needs at that moment - in other words, every damn one of them are liars, cheats and hypocrites!


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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:04 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
the real majority

Hmmm...well that is factually wrong isn't it?

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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:07 pm

Quoting Jamesag96 (Reply 2):
Hmmm...well that is factually wrong isn't it?

Looking at the numbers on almost every indicator today, James, not really.

Actually, you do have a point-the country is very evenly split, and I really don't think there is a clear-cut majority of any kind right now. So I will give you that.
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:09 pm

Quoting Jamesag96 (Reply 2):
Hmmm...well that is factually wrong isn't it?

If you are referring to election numbers, remember that not all Americans voted in the past election. There was a higher-than-normal turnout but still not all citizens exercised their right to vote (which is a waste).

Based on that, assuming many of the people who didn't vote were disenchanted with both candidates, then Falcon84's statement of "the real majority" is factually correct.

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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:17 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):

CaptOveur has his bottle, now I have mine...

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Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:36 pm

Alrighty then Falcon, I refer you to my anti-Bush post in SFO's "Dubya circle-jerk" thread, and as I promised in that post (I am a man of my word), I would be "fair and balanced" and try to say something positive about the man in this thread...

Here goes...*cracks knuckles and hammers away at the keyboard* Big grin

Bush came in controversial from the start...of course it came from bitterness stemming from Florida, though every independent recount since has shown Bush would have had the state. Anyone remember the snafu with China over the EP-3? Seems like ancient history when you consider what then happened in September of that year...

And this is where I saw a President in him. Sure, extremist thugs can nitpick on his reaction all they want (hindsight is 20/20), but I believe he handled himself well, as well as the crisis on hand. And it was in the days after 9/11 that he seemed to actually come off as a decent orator (the Reagan eulogy was also great, shame it takes death and tragedy to get good speeches out of him). I'll never forget that moment he visited Ground Zero, his impromtu "I can hear you! I can hear you, the world can hear you, and the people who knocked these buildings down...will hear ALL of us soon!" Sure, TSA was lame, and the Patriot Act was Ashcroft's wet dream, but Bush finally had won over the nation and much of the world was on our side...until his bullshit with Iraq...however, again, I refer you all to my reply in SFO's thread.

The economy...I also touched on it in SFO's thread, however, as I stated before, the economy is cyclical. It isn't all Bush's fault, and I certainly ain't gonna blame him for every little thing. (Deficit complaint: See my reply in SFO's thread).

Bush stands up to his ideals...now I have complaints on his stubbornness on certain issues and the seeming deaf ear he turned to anyone with a differing opinion (I know, I know, this is supposed to be the positive post, sorry, sorry, but it had to be said Falcon.) Nevertheless I admire this man for having such strong convictions and not backing down. That takes backbone...too bad he's still the bitch of Halliburton...oops, sorry, last time, I promise!  angel 

For awhile I also approved of Bush's cabinet choices...I think Tom Ridge was a superb choice, Rice was fine as National Security advisor, Powell a well spoken and intelligent Secretary of State, Norman Mineta isn't given a lot of credit with handling the transportation crisis on and after 9/11...he did his best. Even Rummy had his pluses before he went off the deep end around the time of Iraq and began to come off as an asshole. Ashcroft was, well, nobody liked him, he was a fruitcake who wore the Bill of Rights like a loin cloth.

Well, I have other positive things, as well as other negative things to say about Bush...but I admit, I'm not taking either of these threads that seriously.  Silly Not worth it really since it's a rehashing of the same, tired liberal vs. conservative BS.

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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:44 pm

Here's what I posted in the support thread of W:

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 31):
I'm a moderate, and see both sides of the issues, and find myself agreeing with Dems. on some isssues, and the GOP on others. I find myself becoming more conservative on some social issues, but still moderate/liberal on economic issues. On some issues, Dubya is too extreme...like the amendment to ban gay marriage, although I don't support gay marriage, I think adding it to the Constitution is going too far. I disagree on abortion and his decision ot intervene in the Schaive case as well...regardless of the decision, government doesn't belong in people's personal decisions...period...regardless of what party they belong to. I had the privilege of voting yes on Oregon's Right-to-die measure in 1994, and it pisses me off that the GOP keeps trying to overturn it. That said, I think W is absolutely right on taxes and social security reform and gun control. I don't like extremism...on either side...and I think the "silent majority" would agree with me on that. Right-wing and left-wing wackos scare me EQUALLY.

I voted for Clinton in '92 and '96. I voted for Dubya in '00 and '04. Depending on who runs in '08 and what their views on certain issues will determine who I vote for, and if they're both extremists (i.e. Santorum vs. Dean, say) I'd sit it out entirely as a protest. If a moderate Dem. is more appealing than a Republican in 2008, I'll vote Dem. While not a lot by any means, I did contribute some money to W's presidential campaign last fall. I've voted for senators and governors from both parties in both Oregon and Washington, and no...not at the same time! I stand behind every vote I've cast in my relatively short voting career....Slick Willie and Dubya included.

I like Dubya...even if I disagree with him, I know where he stands, there's little or no confusion about it. He's a plain talker and isn't afraid to say what he means. I recall in the 2000 debates how "canned" and "phony" Al Gore sounded, and how "genuine" and "straight up" Dubya was. To give credit where credit is due, I also recall this past fall how terrible Dubya did in the foreign policy debate, and how much better Kerry was.

My two cents...for what's it worth. I'm sure I'll get flamed for something, have at it, I dont care.
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:48 pm

Well I certainly know which of the two threads I'm supporting!!
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:18 pm

Quoting MxCtrlr (Reply 1):
I USED support President Bush and the Republican Party but lost all interest in them after their handling of the Terri Schaivo debacle.

Couldn't possibly agree more.....

Quoting MxCtrlr (Reply 1):
Since that time, I want little or nothing to do with the GOP (and I'm not to fond of the Democrats either, but that's another story).

....and yet, I just did.


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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:31 pm

Most rational and reasonable Americans will both like and dislike some things about GWB, and similarly like and dislike some things about the Dems. Their decision to vote for GWB was likely a weighing of the pros and cons.

Anyone who "can't stand" GWB is not exhibiting rational thought processes. "Can't stand" is not a reasonable emotion; indeed it is more an extreme personal hatred devoid of calm reason.

Any American who "can't stand" GWB or any other politician needs to settle down a little.
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:08 pm

In the other GWB thread, in response to people talking about Bush's honesty, I mentioned the small little white lie about no WMD. And the right wingers STILL have the gaul to complain about the Lewinsky affair! As if there's any comparison between lying about an intern and lying about going to war.

And did any of you see the cover story on nyt.com today? The one about Bush's environmental policy guy, who deliberately whitewashed all language saying that global warming actually existed. Naturally, the environmental policy guy is a former oil lobbyist. The sad thing is that sort of thing doesn't surprise anyone anymore.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/08/po...1a5d025aa&ei=5094&partner=homepage

I was never less proud to be an American than election day, 2004. It's sad how people buy Bush's act, hook, line, and sinker. It's sad that small-minded and provincial people in America care more about banning gay marriage and abortion, than they do about the economy, our sinking dollar, the blurring of church and state, and our freefalling standing in the world. How Bush stands idly by while the environment is getting destroyed, and kisses the boots of his business supportes. The invasion of a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, and has never been a source of terrorism, while a country like Iran quietly develops into a real threat.

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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:02 pm

What scares me most about a lot of a certain type of conservatives as well as some liberals is their willingness to blindly accept an individual and their policies with little deviance from party line, their willingness to encroach on civil liberties and constitutional boundaries, and their thinking that somehow God likes them for voting for Bush (you're not fooling anyone Bush, you've killed more "lives" than you've ever thought about saving - Frying People in Texas, Iraq, and, oh, remember those people in a PVS in Texas that wanted to be kept alive, they were gone too - I probably would have done the same thing, but don't put on an act with the Terry Schiavo bullshit.)

It baffles me also that the PUSA doesn't understand the constitution. Judges are SUPPOSED to be unaccountable to the public, and relatively unchecked, that's the freaking point, so they aren't distracted by politics or special interests. Also, btw, this country is not run the majority as I've heard Bush and his supporters imply on several occasions -- the constitution is designed to protect the minority from the tyrrany of the majority.

There's my rant.
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:08 pm

I have to agree. While I personally feel that some Republicans are a bunch of lying hypocrites, if you look over at the Democratic party you will find the same thing.
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:12 pm

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 13):
if you look over at the Democratic party you will find the same thing

Ya, but they're not in power, so we'll wait til they are. The only thing that makes me gravitate toward the Democratic party is my political ideology which is slightly Democratic.
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:09 pm

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 10):
Any American who "can't stand" GWB or any other politician needs to settle down a little.

Anyone who isn't an American shouldn't go lecturing one, like myself, on how he/she should feel about their president, got it?
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:25 pm

“Easier to solve a problem when you know a lot about it” – President Bush

As heard on NPR’s Morning Edition 08 Jun 05, President Bush meeting with Prime Minister Blair at The White House, Tuesday, June 7.

Easier to solve a problem when you know a lot about it - ?

Don’t we have a big issue in the Middle East, one which this statement is appropriate.
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:48 pm

As quite a few have observed - George W Bush lacks any intellectual curiosity whatsoever. He makes up his own uninformed mind and then acts on it. He's kind of like the cat in the Gary Larson cartoon "what dogs hear, what cats hear".
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:10 am

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 13):
I have to agree. While I personally feel that some Republicans are a bunch of lying hypocrites, if you look over at the Democratic party you will find the same thing.

Hence the political landscape. I don't believe any of them. It's all bullshit.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 17):
As quite a few have observed - George W Bush lacks any intellectual curiosity whatsoever.

I also find it difficult to believe someone like Kerry, who for example, couldn't make up his mind on anything in the last 30 years and come off as a pompus ass eletist. Dude has hundreds of millions of dollars. Like he gives a damn about the common man. That being said, niether does anyone else.  twocents 
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:23 am

GWB is a swell guy and I'd love to have him and the Missus at a party. Preferably drunk or stoned. Or both.

I just don't think he's the right man for the job of President of the United States.
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:33 am

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 10):
Anyone who "can't stand" GWB is not exhibiting rational thought processes. "Can't stand" is not a reasonable emotion; indeed it is more an extreme personal hatred devoid of calm reason.

I did vote for Kerry in crucial Ohio and will always say that I "can't stand" GWB for what he did in Iraq and for being an asocial dumb person - thus far, I am searching for the pro's... the search has been eternal...
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:06 am

I have lots of commentary in this thread . . . rather than copy paste, here's a link. It's the "other" Bush thread currently running . . .
For Those Who Support President George W. Bush (by SFOMEX Jun 8 2005 in Non Aviation)

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 6):
Alrighty then Falcon, I refer you to my anti-Bush post in SFO's "Dubya circle-jerk" thread, and as I promised in that post (I am a man of my word), I would be "fair and balanced" and try to say something positive about the man in this thread...

Here goes...*cracks knuckles and hammers away at the keyboard*

Great post B4e . . .

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 13):
I have to agree. While I personally feel that some Republicans are a bunch of lying hypocrites, if you look over at the Democratic party you will find the same thing.

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Quoting SLC1 (Reply 14):
Ya, but they're not in power, so we'll wait til they are.

Then it will be the extremist right wing neo-cons running threads like this against whomever . . . only thing different will be the target . . .

Quoting TPASXM787 (Reply 18):
I also find it difficult to believe someone like Kerry, who for example, couldn't make up his mind on anything in the last 30 years and come off as a pompus ass eletist.

 checkeredflag  Bingo! He is a pompous elitest that couldn't find his ass with both hands and a squad of Cavalry Scouts. His message changed from location to location. And I still question his dubious military record which he has STILL failed to release to the public via SF181. Now . . . before the liberal nut-job jump on this, let me say . . .I'm NOT overly thrilled with PotUS military record, it is abysmal, but at least he had the gut to release the ENTIRE record. OK, Kerry, show us the record . . . put up or shut up. Now, since this isn't a Kerry Bashing thread, I'll leave it at that. . . . .

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Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:13 am

ANC, I remember you saying a while back when I accused you of being Republican, you shot back with and "independent, independent, independent!" reply.

And yet I see you doing nothing but defending the Republican party and bashing the Democrats. IMO, that's not an Independent. I have no problem whether you are Republican, Democrat or whatever, but can you explain how you call yourself an independent??
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Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:21 am

Usairways, go read the other thread, then tell me if you feel the same way . . . I bashed Kerry, not the Democrats . . . no where did I say democrats in this thread or the other - I said "liberals". A liberal is not necessarily a Repub, Dem or otherwise. . . .
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Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:26 am

Quoting Usairwys757 (Reply 22):
ANC, I remember you saying a while back when I accused you of being Republican, you shot back with and "independent, independent, independent!" reply.

To be honest, I am with ANC.. same happened to me where I was "accused" of being a leftist - I do not want to subscribe to a standardized ideolgy, but have my opinons.,, there might be more leftist in conventional terms, but too easy to describe me  

Edt: Usairwys757, to understand what I mean see
Is Cheney Going To Step Down So Condie Can Run? (by FlyingTexan Jun 6 2005 in Non Aviation)

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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:29 am

He is a pompous elitest that couldn't find his ass with both hands and a squad of Cavalry Scouts.

LOL.
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:39 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 23):
Usairways, go read the other thread, then tell me if you feel the same way . . . I bashed Kerry, not the Democrats . . . no where did I say democrats in this thread or the other - I said "liberals". A liberal is not necessarily a Repub, Dem or otherwise. . . .



Quoting Mrniji (Reply 24):
To be honest, I am with ANC.. same happened to me where I was "accused" of being a leftist - I do not want to subscribe to a standardized ideolgy, but have my opinons.,, there might be more leftist in conventional terms, but too easy to describe me

Fair enough, maybe I am basing it on the statements I have read. I know I havent seen all of them, so maybe it was an unfair judgement on my part.

Independents unite!  Wink
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:44 am

Quoting Usairwys757 (Reply 26):
Independents unite!

They should-and draw the moderats from both major parties into a strong, third, centrist party.
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Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:45 am

Quoting Usairwys757 (Reply 26):
Independents unite!

Yeah, lets found a party  Wink
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Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:50 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 27):
They should-and draw the moderats from both major parties into a strong, third, centrist party.



Quoting Mrniji (Reply 28):
Yeah, lets found a party

I'd pay real money for that . . . I'm so so sick of the partisan political back stabbing and grandstanding . . . and the stagnation this country faces because of it.

What shall we call this new party of Centrists and Repub/Dem defectors?
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Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:00 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 29):
What shall we call this new party of Centrists and Repub/Dem defectors?

More interesting is the distribution of power.. ANC is the most diplomatic person here = president ; USAir will be vice president, falcon will establish the programme, and I will remain a humble party worker  Wink
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Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:14 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 29):
I'd pay real money for that . . . I'm so so sick of the partisan political back stabbing and grandstanding . . . and the stagnation this country faces because of it.

What shall we call this new party of Centrists and Repub/Dem defectors?

I'm for whatever position you would see fit.

However, with the luck I have, I'd get picked to wash ANC's truck Big grin

I could also get a 787 type rating and fly the new AF1 when ANC decides he wants a 787.
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Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:15 am

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 30):
ANC is the most diplomatic person here = president

The world would never be the same . . .

No, you will be at least SecState Subin . . . International Relations appears to be one of your strengths! See this thread:  biggrin 
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:17 am

I think most people here would just like to relegate me to Majority Whip.  Big grin
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Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:34 am

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 30):
More interesting is the distribution of power.. ANC is the most diplomatic person here = president ; USAir will be vice president, falcon will establish the programme, and I will remain a humble party worker

Ooh, ooh, ooh, can I be SECDEF?  Wink
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:42 am

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 34):
Ooh, ooh, ooh, can I be SECDEF?

I don't know...you are from South Carolina...it might lose us some votes...
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:42 am

mmm.../
this was my candidate for prez, too bad he did not run..


now on a more constructive note, have you ever considered that the next president of the United States might be George Bush? YES.

baceuse he was no "elected" in 2000, he was "appointed" by the Supremme court, so legally he is in his first "elected" term....I dont want to loose sleep over this but, you might have this guy at the white House for longer than Jan 20 2009...

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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:28 am

While I have no authority on the subject, nor am I allowed to vote in the elections in the US, I do not like his administration.

The Iraq situation.
His conservatism (ie. gay marriage)
I am pro-choice
The overall direction that the country is going with his administration
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:51 am

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 34):
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Got any time in uniform Garnet?

That would be your first qualification to overcome.
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:26 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15):
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 10):
Any American who "can't stand" GWB or any other politician needs to settle down a little.

Anyone who isn't an American shouldn't go lecturing one, like myself, on how he/she should feel about their president, got it?

Then you shouldn't post on an international website then. As such, my query is as valid as any American's.

Your vehement over-the-top opposition to all-things-GWB does not seem balanced and well thought out. You are far too emotional about him. I get the feeling you personally internalize everything GWB does as somehow aimed exclusively at you, as opposed to his real role as leader of 300M Americans.

Most Americans will identify both pros and cons about GWB, in a calm manner. I have yet to see this from you Falcon1.
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:45 pm

Wow, this thread really makes me sick. You people must follow Rosie O'Donnell around sniffing her ass, listening to the spew that emits from her filthy word hole. Our is it the socialist pig that goes by the name Michael Moore. I take pity on you all.
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:11 pm

Quoting Theredbaron (Reply 36):
baceuse he was no "elected" in 2000, he was "appointed" by the Supremme court, so legally he is in his first "elected" term....

Wrong. De jure, he counts as elected, as the US is a democracy and the further appointment "happened in accordance with the laws" (which were reinterprreted by conservative judges in their own favor) - so no danger of seeing him again (though some of his dumb family might run again)

Quoting Drgreen757 (Reply 40):
I take pity on you all.

We have tried to be constructive and contsibute to a discourse (as common in democracy), and you pitty us. Maybe you should just have a look in the mirror first  Wink

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 39):
Most Americans will identify both pros and cons about GWB, in a calm manner.

See my reply above and why I second Falcon here  Wink
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:25 pm

Quoting PA110 (Reply 17):
As quite a few have observed - George W Bush lacks any intellectual curiosity whatsoever. He makes up his own uninformed mind and then acts on it. He's kind of like the cat in the Gary Larson cartoon "what dogs hear, what cats hear".

I would be fascinated to read how you might authenticate these observations and accusations. Please, cite to your source for the statement (recited by you as fact) that the President lacks any intellectual curiosity whatsoever....

How can one support a statement like that?
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:41 pm

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 41):
We have tried to be constructive and contsibute to a discourse (as common in democracy), and you pitty us. Maybe you should just have a look in the mirror first

I have looked in the mirror buddy, and do you know what I see...a person who somehow manages to tolorate all you little Bush bashing weasels. But thats just my opinion. All Thanks to the people who have died for this country that have allowed me to express my opinion as I have just done. Thank you all for your extreme sacrifice.
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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:45 pm

Quoting Drgreen757 (Reply 43):
a person who somehow manages to tolorate all you little Bush bashing weasels.

Well, my friend, tolerance is a good starting point! My complements.. keep on going, and you might even develop merits in acceptance and respect, and you may be curious why these persons have another opinion, you might face their opinions, take their views on certain isstes, maybe even rethink your arguments, as we do too - these attributes make a human a great person.

Sorry for not being on the same political level, but democracies are great: we can say our opinion and utter our displeasure with GWB - we have the Freedom (of Speech) to do so.. a full-fledged democracy wants to have critical citizens rather than people who say: "Yes, yes, yes" only.. a true democracy tries to accomodate all interests and enables the discourse in society

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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:49 pm

Quoting Drgreen757 (Reply 43):
a person who somehow manages to tolorate all you little Bush bashing weasels

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RE: For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush

Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:43 pm

Quoting Jamesag96 (Reply 2):
Hmmm...well that is factually wrong isn't it?

No, actually, it is factually correct

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 7):
m a moderate, and see both sides of the issues,

Um, do you really believe the words coming out of your own mouth, or is this just some incredible ruse? A moderate, you sure as hell are not

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 10):
Anyone who "can't stand" GWB is not exhibiting rational thought processes. "Can't stand" is not a reasonable emotion; indeed it is more an extreme personal hatred devoid of calm reason.

Any American who "can't stand" GWB or any other politician needs to settle down a little.

The hell are you talking about? As a well educated, intellectual who always evaluates everything rationally, I can tell you I "can't stand" George Bush. Not one bit. I don't hate anyone in this life, but "can't stand" someone completely and totally destroying the country I love and then moving to destroy those of others? That is totally rational

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15):
Anyone who isn't an American shouldn't go lecturing one, like myself, on how he/she should feel about their president, got it?

Actually, who cares if they are or they are not American. NO ONE should tell me how I should fell about "my" president

Quoting PA110 (Reply 17):
George W Bush lacks any intellectual curiosity whatsoever.

Or intellectual honesty

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 23):
I said "liberals". A liberal is not necessarily a Repub, Dem or otherwise. . . .

Well, a liberal sure as hell is not a Democrat, at least the majority of those in office that call themselves Democrats
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